New York Yankees Gameday Thread

[Chamomile]

Chamberlain now has a 4.91 ERA and a 1.31 WHIP. Perhaps he's not the shut down reliever that some people thought he was 3 days ago.

 

And as for Mo, something is clearly wrong with him. He's now blown back-to-back saves and even the Yankees announcers couldn't help but mention how suspect his control has been.

[a700hitter]

Thames is a disaster in the field-- just absolutely terrible. I was at the Sunday game at Fenway. He's makes the simplest play into an adventure, and any play with any difficulty becomes a disaster. Fearless prediction-- he will not be with the Yankees at the end of the season. I can't see them tolerating his atrocious fielding.

[Chamomile]

Thames is a disaster in the field-- just absolutely terrible. I was at the Sunday game at Fenway. He's makes the simplest play into an adventure' date=' and any play with any difficulty becomes a disaster. Fearless prediction-- he will not be with the Yankees at the end of the season. I can't see them tolerating his atrocious fielding.[/quote']

 

Yeah, the only reason he's provided any value to the Yankees is his .400+ BABIP. Once that equalizes, Yankees fans will be begging to run him out of town. Cervelli also has a .400+ BABIP, but at least he can play defense.

[yankees228]

Chamberlain now has a 4.91 ERA and a 1.31 WHIP. Perhaps he's not the shut down reliever that some people thought he was 3 days ago.

 

And as for Mo, something is clearly wrong with him. He's now blown back-to-back saves and even the Yankees announcers couldn't help but mention how suspect his control has been.

 

1. Today wasn't a save situation (not that it matters to your overall point).

 

2. It's not uncommon for him to go through periods where he struggles. It has happened multiple times every single season.

 

3. He really wasn't that bad tonight. Both runs were unearned because of a dropped popup. He easily could have struck out McDonald. Hermida hit a pretty good pitch, one where Rivera hit his spot.

 

EDIT: Saying "something is clearly wrong with him", after subpar outings, just reeks of so much bias.

[Divinity]

Mo's lack of command may be linked to the injury that kept him from pitching a couple weeks ago. Plus for whatever reason his numbers aren't as great when he enters a tie game opposed to coming in with a lead

[Dipre]

Mo's lack of command may be linked to the injury that kept him from pitching a couple weeks ago. Plus for whatever reason his numbers aren't as great when he enters a tie game opposed to coming in with a lead

 

It's a common occurrence for Closers to not be as effective in non-save situations. Absolutely no explanation why though.

[Chamomile]

EDIT: Saying "something is clearly wrong with him"' date=' after subpar outings, just reeks of so much bias.[/quote']

 

Come on, he's coming off an injury, his control is off and he's been ineffective. Even the Yankees announcers were suggesting he might not be 100%. And I just said the same about Papelbon. Please don't call me out on being biased when I made the same criticism of the Red Sox closer.

[Chamomile]

Mo's lack of command may be linked to the injury that kept him from pitching a couple weeks ago. Plus for whatever reason his numbers aren't as great when he enters a tie game opposed to coming in with a lead

 

Yeah, he didn't look like his old self. I'm not saying he'll have to go on the DL, but it doesn't appear that he's been 100% lately. When's the last time he walked in a run and allowed a grand slam in the same game?

[yankees228]

Come on' date=' he's coming off an injury, his control is off and he's been ineffective. Even the Yankees announcers were suggesting he might not be 100%. And I just said the same about Papelbon. Please don't call me out on being biased when I made the same criticism of the Red Sox closer.[/quote']

 

To say something is clearly wrong implies that it's obvious and definite, which is far from the case. Additionally, for the reasons I mentioned, he really wasn't that bad tonight. If he gets the 1-2 call on McDonald, or if Thames catches that popup, we're not having this conversation.

 

Maybe you're not being biased, but I strongly disagree with your assessment that something is "clearly wrong".

[Chamomile]

To say something is clearly wrong implies that it's obvious and definite, which is far from the case. Additionally, for the reasons I mentioned, he really wasn't that bad tonight. If he gets the 1-2 call on McDonald, or if Thames catches that popup, we're not having this conversation.

 

Maybe you're not being biased, but I strongly disagree with your assessment that something is "clearly wrong".

 

I understand that Rivera routinely gets calls that are 2-3 inches off the plate, but according to pitchfx, that pitch to McDonald was 2-3 inches off the plate. His overall results weren't that bad considering the error, but his control is off and he's coming off an appearance in which he walked in a run and allowed a grand slam. That's not typical Mo and he's coming off an injury. I think there's a very good chance that he's no 100%, he's inhuman when he's healthy.

EDIT: And overall he didn't get the benefit of two "Mo" strikes (2-3 inches off the plate), but he also got the benefit of two called strikes that were more than 2-3 inches off the plate as you can see from this graph. The two called strikes you can see to the left of the box are 3.5 inches off the plate so it's hard to blame this one on the umps.

 

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/location.php-pitchSel=121250&game=gid_2010_05_18_bosmlb_nyamlb_1&batterX=&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=.gif

[yankees228]

I understand that Rivera routinely gets calls that are 2-3 inches off the plate' date=' but according to pitchfx, that pitch to McDonald was 2-3 inches off the plate. His overall results weren't that bad considering the error, but his control is off and he's coming off an appearance in which he walked in a run and allowed a grand slam. That's not typical Mo and he's coming off an injury. I think there's a very good chance that he's no 100%, he's inhuman when he's healthy.[/quote']

 

He could have easily gotten the call, whether it was a strike or not is irrelevant. He hit his spot. Sure, his control hasn't been great the last two times, but the last sentence is 100% inaccurate. I can find multiple times for you each year where he went through shaky stretches. It's possible that he's not completely healthy, but it's hardly obvious, and it's just as likely that he is simply struggling a bit.

[Chamomile]

He could have easily gotten the call' date=' whether it was a strike or not is irrelevant. He hit his spot.[/quote']

 

Just because he's Mo, and he hit his spot does not mean it's a strike as the graph above clearly indicates. Mo routinely gets 2-3 extra inches on each side of the plate, it's hard to stomach someone blaming this on the umps considering that the graph shows that he got 4 called strikes that weren't actually over the plate and 0 called balls that were over the plate.

[yankees228]

Just because he's Mo' date=' and he hit his spot does not mean it's a strike as the graph above clearly indicates. Mo routinely gets 2-3 extra inches on each side of the plate, it's hard to stomach someone blaming this on the umps considering that the graph shows that he got 4 called strikes that weren't actually over the plate and 0 called balls that were over the plate.[/quote']

 

You're misinterpreting everything about my posts. I'm not blaming this one on the umpires. I'm not even talking about the umpires. That has absolutely nothing to do with my point.

[Chamomile]

You're misinterpreting everything about my posts. I'm not blaming this one on the umpires. I'm not even talking about the umpires. That has absolutely nothing to do with my point.

 

You didn't actually say the word umpire, but you've made at least 3 posts saying that he could have struck out McDonald an a called ball that pithfx shows as off the plate.

 

He easily could have struck out McDonald.

 

If he gets the 1-2 call on McDonald' date=' or if Thames catches that popup, we're not having this conversation.[/quote']

 

He could have easily gotten the call' date=' whether it was a strike or not is irrelevant. He hit his spot.[/quote']

[yankees228]

But that's not the point. Wow. My point is that Mo didn't look too bad tonight, and I'm citing him making his pitch in that spot as evidence of that (among other things).

[Chamomile]

But that's not the point. Wow. My point is that Mo didn't look too bad tonight' date=' and I'm citing him making his pitch in that spot as evidence of that (among other things).[/quote']

 

I don't get your point. You keep saying that he made his pitch and could have gotten out of it if it was called a strike, but it was clearly a ball.

[yankees228]

I don't get your point. You keep saying that he made his pitch and could have gotten out of it if it was called a strike' date=' but it was clearly a ball.[/quote']

 

Again, we all know it didn't end well tonight, but he really didn't pitch that poorly. He wasn't as sharp as he usually is, but he hardly pitched poorly.

 

But, once again, we're straying from the main point of the discussion. You said that there is "clearly something wrong with him". That is an implication that it's obvious and definite. He might not be 100%. It's a possibility. But he goes through multiple stretches each year where he struggles. That's also a possibility, and based on what we know, I'd say it's a better one.

 

EDIT: Responded to your post before the 'edit'. Unfortunately this has become pointless, as time and time again, you're failing to see the point I'm trying to make, even though I've said it in the most literal way possible. You said you had been drinking tonight. Maybe we can continue this conversation tomorrow.

[Chamomile]

Again' date=' we all know it didn't end well tonight, but he really didn't pitch that poorly. He wasn't as sharp as he usually is, but he hardly pitched poorly.[/quote']

 

That's my point. He wasn't his normal self. Coming off an injury he's had his two worst performances of the year and one of his worst performances of his career. I'm not criticizing him by saying he's probably not 100%, if anything I'm excusing him for his less than stellar performance. When he's healthy, he's automatic. He's the greatest closer in the history of baseball.

[Keeper]

Thames is a pretty big liability in the outfield. No range, takes bad routes, has trouble judging the ball off the bat. All I can say is thank you, Thames and Joba, for giving this game away.

[jacksonianmarch]

Didnt see the game as I was working again. Was Joba off by a lot or did the sox hit good pitches. s***, that is a punch in the nads.

[yankees228]

Didnt see the game as I was working again. Was Joba off by a lot or did the sox hit good pitches. s***' date=' that is a punch in the nads.[/quote']

 

Joba had next to nothing. Velocity was down and his location was off.

[Chamomile]

Didnt see the game as I was working again. Was Joba off by a lot or did the sox hit good pitches. s***' date=' that is a punch in the nads.[/quote']

 

He was off by a lot. He was bouncing pitches and throwing them a foot off the plate.

[diony]

Just like the inconsistency he had as a starter last year, but now in the bullpen.

[redsoxrules]

Joba isn't the same as 2007 and dosent look like he'll ever be close to that

 

his fastball has dropped quite a lot

 

2007 97

2008 95

2009 92

 

this year he's at 94

 

I think using him as a starter f***ed his arm a little

[diony]

His fastball was never upper-90s in the minors. Is not the speed that worries me, is the inconsistency on his mechanics and release points, that leads to a bad command.

[redsoxrules]

His fastball was never upper-90s in the minors. Is not the speed that worries me' date=' is the inconsistency on his mechanics and release points, that leads to a bad command.[/quote']

 

yes it was , christ

 

look

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=2692&position=P

 

scroll down towards the bottom , he lost 5MPH on his fastball from 2007 to 2009

[Dipre]

According to FanGraphs, Joba has exhibited the following year-to-year average fastball velocities:

 

2007: 97.4

 

2008: 95.2

 

2009: 92.5

 

2010: 93.8

[redsoxrules]

According to FanGraphs, Joba has exhibited the following year-to-year average fastball velocities:

 

2007: 97.4

 

2008: 95.2

 

2009: 92.5

 

2010: 93.8

 

yes, that's what I just said <_>

 

but according to Diony , he never threw that hard . fangraph must be wrong

[Dipre]

yes, that's what I just said <_>

 

but according to Diony , he never threw that hard . fangraph must be wrong

 

Understood you wrong first, but yeah, captain Bench is still right about Joba's issues stemming from mechanical failures.

[yankees228]

Ugh, pretty bad call there by the second base ump.