Free Agent SS??

[Dipre]

I'd bet you've never placed your finger on one.

 

How can you place your finger on a "V"?

[yankees228]

I'd bet you've never placed your finger on one.

 

Ah, very nice, because one joke wasn't enough.

[Dipre]

Ah' date=' very nice, because one joke wasn't enough.[/quote']

 

Noob brainfart, forgive him.

[yankees228]

Noob brainfart' date=' forgive him.[/quote']

 

No grudges, just pointing it out.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

You know what he is...a word that starts with a "V". I just can't seem to place my finger on it...

Vaseline?

[yankees228]

^Bingo.

[Red Foreman]

Ah' date=' very nice, because one joke wasn't enough.[/quote']

 

I didn't read the entire thread.

[Dojji]

Veteran.

[TheMino007]

Well Gonzo is gone, he signed a one year deal worth 2.75 mil with the Blue Jays with a club option year. Why the hell couldn't Theo offer that contract? We better get the SS position solidified before the year starts, none of this open try out/platoon crap. Theo must have lost his mind if he is just going to give Jed Lowrie the keys to the starting SS position. Hope he has a contingency plan, b/c when Lowrie sucks and/or gets hurt again, I don't want Nick Green out there struggling to field the position again next year.

[Keeper]

Should have retained Gonzo's services. Now, Scutaro would appear to be the best option, and he could be costly. Not that he should be. An aging shortstop who just had a career-year isn't a salivating prospect, but given the situation at SS, I believe he'll have a lot of leverage in negotiations with the Sox - should that come to pass.

[BSN07]

Well Gonzo is gone' date=' he signed a one year deal worth 2.75 mil with the Blue Jays with a club option year.[b'] Why the hell couldn't Theo offer that contract?[/b] We better get the SS position solidified before the year starts, none of this open try out/platoon crap. Theo must have lost his mind if he is just going to give Jed Lowrie the keys to the starting SS position. Hope he has a contingency plan, b/c when Lowrie sucks and/or gets hurt again, I don't want Nick Green out there struggling to field the position again next year.

 

From what I read, the Sox were planning on offering a 1 year 3M deal. But wanted to wait until later into FA period to officially offer it. Incase another deal became more attractive. Agon not wanting to wait around took Toronto's offer that was similar amd also includes a 2nd year option.

 

Jesus Christ how many times does it need to be repeated that the Sox said Lowrie will be spending the year in AAA to prove he can stay healthy, and to help him catch up on his development that he's missed due to his numerous injuries.

 

With Agon and Vizquel both off the market, I could see the Sox bringing in Tejada, and a slick gloved noodle bat to back him up.

[BoSox21]

Well Gonzo is gone' date=' he signed a one year deal worth 2.75 mil with the Blue Jays with a club option year. Why the hell couldn't Theo offer that contract? We better get the SS position solidified before the year starts, none of this open try out/platoon crap. Theo must have lost his mind if he is just going to give Jed Lowrie the keys to the starting SS position. Hope he has a contingency plan, b/c when Lowrie sucks and/or gets hurt again, I don't want Nick Green out there struggling to field the position again next year.[/quote']

 

Would you f***ing relax? IT'S NOVEMBER

[BSN07]

Would you f***ing relax? IT'S NOVEMBER

 

I know really.

 

Did anyone see AGON being one of the very 1st FA's to sign? Especially in Toronto?

[TheMino007]

The team has no starting SS, its something to worry about. Scuatura is a bust waiting to happen and I pray we don't go in that direction.

[Dipre]

The team has no starting SS' date=' its something to worry about. [b']Scuatura[/b] is a bust waiting to happen and I pray we don't go in that direction.

 

Scutaro.

 

And yes, for the love of God, don't sign him.

[BSN07]

The team has no starting SS' date=' its something to worry about. Scuatura is a bust waiting to happen and I pray we don't go in that direction.[/quote']

 

 

I think Theo is going to want short term commitments at SS. Scutaro is likely to command a multi year deal, plus cost a 1st round pick. Theo has made some blunder's at SS, signing Scutaro will likely be another.

 

Look for them to look in on Drew and Escobar for trade candidates. They seem like the more likely to be dealt from the names I have seen mentioned. Hanley is always a possibility I suppose, but I think this is probably the least likely acquisition.

 

If nothing pans out on the trade market, then expect Tejada or maybe OC on 1 year deals. Tejada is more likely out of the 2 IMO.

 

Then if all that fails and some other circumstances are met, I believe Iggy might get a chance to be the everyday guy. I know he's 19. But if the Sox upgrade the offense enough and only really need someone that can give them above average glove work in the field, then he might just fit that description.

[Dipre]

I think Theo is going to want short term commitments at SS. Scutaro is likely to command a multi year deal, plus cost a 1st round pick. Theo has made some blunder's at SS, signing Scutaro will likely be another.

 

Look for them to look in on Drew and Escobar for trade candidates. They seem like the more likely to be dealt from the names I have seen mentioned. Hanley is always a possibility I suppose, but I think this is probably the least likely acquisition.

 

If nothing pans out on the trade market, then expect Tejada or maybe OC on 1 year deals. Tejada is more likely out of the 2 IMO.

 

Then if all that fails and some other circumstances are met, I believe Iggy might get a chance to be the everyday guy. I know he's 19. But if the Sox upgrade the offense enough and only really need someone that can give them above average glove work in the field, then he might just fit that description.

 

And you'd completely stunt whatever offensive upside he has and completely destroy his development by rushing him to the Majors.

 

I can only ask you: Under what logical scenario do you give the nod to Iglesias over a Lowrie/Green combo?

[TheMino007]

Iglesias has a future, unlike Nick Green or Jed Lowrie. Hell, he'd probably be more effective than those two anyway. Trading for an SS takes away prospects that would be used to get us Halladay or Cabrera. I don't know what kind of prospects Drew would demand, Bowden, Tazawa, Reddick or whatever, but I hope the Sox can just land a guy that can be effective for 2-3 years until Iglesias is fully developed and ready for MLB ball.

[Dipre]

Iglesias has a future' date=' unlike Nick Green or Jed Lowrie. Hell, he'd probably be more effective than those two anyway. Trading for an SS takes away prospects that would be used to get us Halladay or Cabrera. I don't know what kind of prospects Drew would demand, Bowden, Tazawa, Reddick or whatever, but I hope the Sox can just land a guy that can be effective for 2-3 years until Iglesias is fully developed and ready for MLB ball.[/quote']

 

And you'd completely stunt whatever offensive upside he has and completely destroy his development by rushing him to the Majors.

I can only ask you: Under what logical scenario do you give the nod to Iglesias over a Lowrie/Green combo?

 

For the love of all that is decent, take the time to read.

[BSN07]

And you'd completely stunt whatever offensive upside he has and completely destroy his development by rushing him to the Majors.

 

I can only ask you: Under what logical scenario do you give the nod to Iglesias over a Lowrie/Green combo?

 

The one that has Lowrie in AAA(like the team is planning on doing) and Green likely playing for some other club(he doesn't expect to be bat).

 

Orlando Cabrera MIN (A)

Juan Castro LAD

Alex Cora NYM

Bobby Crosby OAK

Adam Everett DET

Khalil Greene STL

Ramon Martinez LAD

Marco Scutaro TOR (A)

Miguel Tejada HOU

 

There's your FA class. Do you see someone I missed that you would rather have playing instead of the kid? I don't.

 

I also don't believe Iggy should be plan A. But once you get past plan D or so, he seems as good or better option then what is left over.

[BoSox21]

My guess is Theo is gonna see if he can acquire the bat he's looking for (Ex. Holliday, Gonzalez, Cabrera) and that will determine whether he'll need to fill the SS position with someone who can only field or someone who needs to be able to field and hit.

 

And BTW Mino, don't butcher names as bad as Scuatura and expect people who consider your opinion seriously.

[Dipre]

The one that has Lowrie in AAA(like the team is planning on doing) and Green likely playing for some other club(he doesn't expect to be bat).

 

 

 

 

I don't quite know how to explain this.....

 

Jose Iglesias is not going to smell the Major Leagues next season.

 

There is a reason why player development is called player development.

 

Again, under what logical scenario (emphasis on "logical") do you see the Sox bringing up Iglesias instead of Lowrie?

 

Please provide me with logical reasons to counter the following:

 

1) Although he hasn't been healthy, Lowrie has proven he can at least be a league average SS, offensively and defensively. Iglesias hasn't.

 

2) With the enormous investment made in Jose Iglesias, why would the FO f*** with his development when there are both internal and external options to fix the SS problem short-term?

 

3)What has he kid anyone here, that would make them think he should be considered as a candidate to break the big club next year?

 

4) Does anyone here know Iglesias is barely starting to adapt to american culture? Under those considerations, why would you throw an impressionable 19-year who's undergoing both a cultural and playing-level adjustment into the fire of The Show?

 

5) If he was brought up, but not to be the regular, would that not hinder his offensive progress just as much as being the regular and having his confidence crushed trying to adjust to big-league pitching on the go?

 

If you answered the above 5 questions negatively, then take a minute to take the rose-colored glasses off and understand that it makes no logical, strategical, or developmental sense to bring up Jose Iglesias even as a backup to the Majors.

 

"Out-there" ideas are one thing, complete and utter fanboy-induced delusions are another.

 

"Iggy".

 

Jesus Christ.

[BSN07]

I don't quite know how to explain this.....

 

Jose Iglesias is not going to smell the Major Leagues next season.

 

There is a reason why player development is called player development.

 

Again, under what logical scenario (emphasis on "logical") do you see the Sox bringing up Iglesias instead of Lowrie?

 

Please provide me with logical reasons to counter the following:

 

1) Although he hasn't been healthy, Lowrie has proven he can at least be a league average SS, offensively and defensively. Iglesias hasn't.

 

2) With the enormous investment made in Jose Iglesias, why would the FO f*** with his development when there are both internal and external options to fix the SS problem short-term?

 

3)What has he kid anyone here, that would make them think he should be considered as a candidate to break the big club next year?

 

4) Does anyone here know Iglesias is barely starting to adapt to american culture? Under those considerations, why would you throw an impressionable 19-year who's undergoing both a cultural and playing-level adjustment into the fire of The Show?

 

5) If he was brought up, but not to be the regular, would that not hinder his offensive progress just as much as being the regular and having his confidence crushed trying to adjust to big-league pitching on the go?

 

If you answered the above 5 questions negatively, then take a minute to take the rose-colored glasses off and understand that it makes no logical, strategical, or developmental sense to bring up Jose Iglesias even as a backup to the Majors.

 

"Out-there" ideas are one thing, complete and utter fanboy-induced delusions are another.

 

"Iggy".

 

Jesus Christ.

 

Listen like I said a lot would have to ultimately go wrong for that situation to arise. I'm not saying it's likely. Just at some point "Iggy"(how is this not an obvious nick name, c'mon man where is the love?) may be the best option available.

 

They have Lowrie, who may at any point re-injure his wrist while rubbing one out.

 

I mean if OC and Tejada sign elsewhere, there is nothing left on the FA market.

 

The huge pile of suck will consist of,

 

Alex Cora

Bobby Crosby

Adam Everett

Khalil Greene

Ramon Martinez

 

 

Everyone knows the Sox need a SS. So I wouldn't expect any favors or friendly deals on the trade market.

 

So if there are no trade candidates, and you have to choose one of the "left overs", are they going to be any worse then what Iglesias could offer? I'm not saying it's the best case scenario.

[Cocos Disciples]

The problem is Iggy has no pop.

 

Thank you, thank you.

[Dipre]

Listen like I said a lot would have to ultimately go wrong for that situation to arise. I'm not saying it's likely. Just at some point "Iggy"(how is this not an obvious nick name, c'mon man where is the love?) may be the best option available.

 

They have Lowrie, who may at any point re-injure his wrist while rubbing one out.

 

I mean if OC and Tejada sign elsewhere, there is nothing left on the FA market.

 

The huge pile of suck will consist of,

 

Alex Cora

Bobby Crosby

Adam Everett

Khalil Greene

Ramon Martinez

 

 

Everyone knows the Sox need a SS. So I wouldn't expect any favors or friendly deals on the trade market.

 

So if there are no trade candidates, and you have to choose one of the "left overs", are they going to be any worse then what Iglesias could offer? I'm not saying it's the best case scenario.

 

Bolded names are the ones i would rather have platooning with Lowrie instead of messing with "Iggy's" development.

[BSN07]

Bolded names are the ones i would rather have platooning with Lowrie instead of messing with "Iggy's" development.

 

And if Lowrie is unavailable? Remember this was one of the things I said would have to happen.

 

Which of those stud's would you like to see playing everyday?

 

I'm heading of to bed Dipre, I'll get back at you in the A.M.

[Dipre]

And if Lowrie is unavailable? Remember this was one of the things I said would have to happen.

 

Which of those stud's would you like to see playing everyday?

 

I'm heading of to bed Dipre, I'll get back at you in the A.M.

 

A combination of two of those studs.

[Dojji]

gotta put Nick Green on that list -- I'd prefer him to most of the players on it.

 

At least Green is an above average defender and put up a career average year offensively last year.

[Dipre]

gotta put Nick Green on that list -- I'd prefer him to most of the players on it.

 

At least Green is an above average defender and put up a career average year offensively last year.

 

And you'd completely stunt whatever offensive upside he has and completely destroy his development by rushing him to the Majors.

 

I can only ask you: Under what logical scenario do you give the nod to Iglesias over a Lowrie/Green combo?

[Spudboy]

The problem is Iggy has no pop.

 

Thank you, thank you.

 

:lol:

 

But he is more than 5'1"!!!!