Free Agent SS??

[TheMino007]

Any idea if Chone Figgins can still play SS?

[BSN07]

This could really just be selective memory, but usually if the SS has been a better then average SS, they tend to become decent 3B? I mean off the top of my head I think of Arod and Ripken. I believe Glaus was a SS at one point. I mean would it be too unreasonable for Tejada to be at least average at 3B?

[BSN07]

Any idea if Chone Figgins can still play SS?

 

Sweet Christ....

 

Pretty sure he would be marketing himself as a SS if this were the case. It could have a slight effect of his value and contract demands.

[TheMino007]

I've rumors that we could trade for Johnny Peralta.. also found this link

 

The Florida Marlins president obviously has no shame. After finally succeeding in securing a new taxpayer-funded stadium for the Marlins in downtown Miami - supposedly enabling the Marlins to have the financial means to keep their star players - Samson demonstrated he has no intention of doing that when he refused to give his best pitcher, Josh Johnson, a four-year extension. Now it also looks as if Hanley Ramirez won't ever see that new stadium in a Marlins uniform as the Red Sox, who let incumbent Alex Gonzalez go, are reportedly engaged in talks with Florida about reacquiring the All-Star shortstop.

 

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2009/11/28/2009-11-28_top_ten_baseball_turkeys.html#ixzz0YGkI2AU1

 

 

I don't see why the Marlins would trade Hanley now when he is still managable in terms of salary. If the Marlins are really building the new stadium they need some players to draw the fans to it. I think Hanley is the ultimate pipe dream, we would be trading a whole, whole lot for him.

[BSN07]

I've rumors that we could trade for Johnny Peralta.. also found this link

 

 

I don't see why the Marlins would trade Hanley now when he is still managable in terms of salary. If the Marlins are really building the new stadium they need some players to draw the fans to it. I think Hanley is the ultimate pipe dream, we would be trading a whole, whole lot for him.

 

Doesn't Peralta play 3B now?

 

I'm trying not to get too excited here, this would be probably the ultimate dream come true

 

He makes 7M this year. That is manageable for every team not named the "Marlins".

[example1]

I've rumors that we could trade for Johnny Peralta.. also found this link

 

 

 

I don't see why the Marlins would trade Hanley now when he is still managable in terms of salary. If the Marlins are really building the new stadium they need some players to draw the fans to it. I think Hanley is the ultimate pipe dream, we would be trading a whole, whole lot for him.

 

If he's available then it should be done. He is exactly the type of offensive piece you cant really get through FA and would be an anchor for the club throughout his contract... even if he eventually moved to CF. If Iglesias really has an elite glove then he may ultimately supplant Hanley, but with Ellsbury in LF, Hanley in CF and Iglesias at SS they would have an elite defense.

[rhet]

Rumor has it the Rangers want Scutaro for 3B.

 

If that means Michael Young is available, wouldn't that be a good option at SS until Lowell is gone?

[BSN07]

If he's available then it should be done. He is exactly the type of offensive piece you cant really get through FA and would be an anchor for the club throughout his contract... even if he eventually moved to CF. If Iglesias really has an elite glove then he may ultimately supplant Hanley' date=' but with Ellsbury in LF, Hanley in CF and Iglesias at SS they would have an elite defense.[/quote']

 

Exactly my thinking.

 

I honestly don't even know where to begin with an offer though. I can't imagine the Sox will be the only team to be in on him. So that means there going to have to wow them to get it done sooner rather then later. As much as Theo is gonna hate it, I think the deal starts with Kelly and Westmoreland. But Hanley maybe the only player that it would be worth moving them for.

 

Maybe if they take on Uggla the prospect return might lessen.

[Dipre]

Rumor has it the Rangers want Scutaro for 3B.

 

If that means Michael Young is available, wouldn't that be a good option at SS until Lowell is gone?

 

It depends on how the Sox can match up with Texas in terms of prospects. He's really expensive, and i don't think he's suited for everyday SS duty anymore.

[Dipre]

Exactly my thinking.

 

I honestly don't even know where to begin with an offer though. I can't imagine the Sox will be the only team to be in on him. So that means there going to have to wow them to get it done sooner rather then later. As much as Theo is gonna hate it, I think the deal starts with Kelly and Westmoreland. But Hanley maybe the only player that it would be worth moving them for.

 

Maybe if they take on Uggla the prospect return might lessen.

 

That would also kill two birds in one stone. Even if people don't like it, i'd plant Uggla in LF and Hanley in SS while keeping Lowell.

 

/offseason.

[Dojji]

People are advocating for re-signing Nick Green?

 

Really? Resigning Nick Green?

 

Consider the alternatives. Among the free agent SS possibles, Nick Green fits right in and is equal or superior to all of them in the skills department with the possible exception of Scutaro, who is a 34 year old Type A coming off an unsustainable career year, and Tejeda, who is noticeably declining.

 

That doesn't mean that Green is any kind of good. It means that our options are so universally bad, that under the circumstances, it doesn't do to let emotionalism blind ourselves to an option that might be less bad than most.

 

And don't shed too many tears over Alex Gonzalez. He had a good few games with the Red Sox but there's NWIH he repeats it next year over a full season, and he's older himself, with known knee and back problems that keep him out of the lineup frequently, so I can certainly understand exactly why Theo let him walk and would have done the same myself.

[a700hitter]

Any idea if Chone Figgins can still play SS?

I read in an interview that SS was his favorite position. Can he play it? That would be quite a risk.

[Dojji]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5888/career;_ylt=Ate89CXA2FDWA51ym0kvY_WFCLcF

 

In 1,888 games he has only played shortstop

 

He played third in the WBC, which at least opens the conversation.

[BSN07]

That would also kill two birds in one stone. Even if people don't like it, i'd plant Uggla in LF and Hanley in SS while keeping Lowell.

 

/offseason.

 

I think Uggla could be better then Bay. I mean you have to have some sort of defensive skill to play 2B in the bigs.

 

Ellsbury

Pedroia

Hanley

Youkilis

Martinez

Ortiz

Lowell

Drew

Uggla

 

I can get on board for that lineup. Batting order subject to change of course

[Dojji]

It depends on how the Sox can match up with Texas in terms of prospects. He's really expensive' date=' and i don't think he's suited for everyday SS duty anymore.[/quote']

 

Young was never really suited for SS. His winning of a Gold Glove was at least as much of a joke as every GG Derek Jeter ever earned. It's no secret that the SS GG tends to go to guys who can hit but FFS couldn't they at least give it to guys who can hit and are also half-decent defenders?

 

Whether Micheal Young iis an option you want to go for depends almost entirely on exactly how much defense you're prepared to surrender in exchange for above average offense.

 

Let me just add here -- Hanley Ramirez is one of the few players I move Clay Buchholz for. Him and Felix Hernandez are just about it.

[BSN07]

Hanley & Uggla for 2 top prospects + SP prospect + 2 low level types with upside. Maybe add a BP arm like MDC. Is that a good offer, or at least a good starting point?

 

I'm hoping a deal can get done with out Buchholz. Not sure how reasonable that is though.

[Dipre]

Consider the alternatives. Among the free agent SS possibles, Nick Green fits right in and is equal or superior to all of them in the skills department with the possible exception of Scutaro, who is a 34 year old Type A coming off an unsustainable career year, and Tejeda, who is noticeably declining.

 

That doesn't mean that Green is any kind of good. It means that our options are so universally bad, that under the circumstances, it doesn't do to let emotionalism blind ourselves to an option that might be less bad than most.

 

And don't shed too many tears over Alex Gonzalez. He had a good few games with the Red Sox but there's NWIH he repeats it next year over a full season, and he's older himself, with known knee and back problems that keep him out of the lineup frequently, so I can certainly understand exactly why Theo let him walk and would have done the same myself.

 

Tejada's noticeably declining?

 

He's never been much of an OBP guy, but his SLG% the last seasons:

 

.442

.415

.445

 

And he actually had a respectable .340 OBP last year. Green can't smell that.

 

And even though his UZR and UZR/150 have been ugly in 07 and 09, his range factor as i indicated in a previous post, has remained steadily above average.

 

And what about Adam Everett, who has the same noodle bat but superior defensive skills?

 

UZR/150 over the last 3 seasons:

 

29.2

11.2

13.6

 

In other words, Tejada, no matter whether he declines or not, represents a monster upgrade offensively, while not losing as much as you'd like us to believe defensively, Everett would provide a monster upgrade defensively while providing about the same quality of "Glovey Mcnoodlebat" offense. With three clearly better options than Green still in the market, there's no reason for him to be our starting SS in 2010. He's just not good.

[Dipre]

Hanley & Uggla for 2 top prospects + SP prospect + 2 low level types with upside. Maybe add a BP arm like MDC. Is that a good offer, or at least a good starting point?

 

I'm hoping a deal can get done with out Buchholz. Not sure how reasonable that is though.

 

Florida hangs up the phone, but not immediately.

[BSN07]

Florida hangs up the phone' date=' but not immediately.[/quote']

 

Ok now that I have a bearing to go by

 

Kelly+Reddick+MDC+Bowden +

 

2 or 3 of ( Pimtel, Anderson, Rizzo, Exposito, Kalish, Doubront).

 

That would be an absolute haul.

[Dipre]

Ok now that I have a bearing to go by

 

Kelly+Reddick+MDC+Bowden +

 

2 or 3 of ( Pimtel, Anderson, Rizzo, Exposito, Kalish, Doubront).

 

That would be an absolute haul.

 

Florida laughs at MDC in the trade, counters that they're giving up two legitimate 30+ homer bats still under control for a couple years.

[BSN07]

Florida laughs at MDC in the trade' date=' counters that they're giving up two legitimate 30+ homer bats still under control for a couple years.[/quote']

 

LOL, c'mon he could be a valuable commodity for them. they could always swing him at the deadline when teams are always desperate for BP arms.

 

I think a 6 or 7 prospect package is a very good offer. I think if the demands are much higher then that, a deal is probably unlikely. Which is fine. This is just something interesting to discuss since there has been like nothing new to discus lately.

[Dipre]

LOL, c'mon he could be a valuable commodity for them. they could always swing him at the deadline when teams are always desperate for BP arms.

 

I think a 6 or 7 prospect package is a very good offer. I think if the demands are much higher then that, a deal is probably unlikely. Which is fine. This is just something interesting to discuss since there has been like nothing new to discus lately.

 

DelCarmen has 0 trade value right now.

[BSN07]

We should however take the conversation to "Hot Stove" though. Hanley isn't a FA

[Dipre]

We should however take the conversation to "Hot Stove" though. Hanley isn't a FA

 

The Tejada/Everett vs. Nick Green discussion should continue though.

[BSN07]

The Tejada/Everett vs. Nick Green discussion should continue though.

 

Indeed

[CoachC.]

Hanley & Uggla for 2 top prospects + SP prospect + 2 low level types with upside. Maybe add a BP arm like MDC. Is that a good offer, or at least a good starting point?

 

I'm hoping a deal can get done with out Buchholz. Not sure how reasonable that is though.

 

I have a very hard time believing the Marlins have any interest in trading Hanley away before they get into that new stadium. He's one of the top 5 players in the game and has a very affordable contract considering his talent through 2014. I imagine we called but they are going to start at Jon Lester and to be honest they have every right to

[a700hitter]

I have a very hard time believing the Marlins have any interest in trading Hanley away before they get into that new stadium. He's one of the top 5 players in the game and has a very affordable contract considering his talent through 2014. I imagine we called but they are going to start at Jon Lester and to be honest they have every right to

He doesn't have a big following among the fans. None of their player do.

[BSN07]

He doesn't have a big following among the fans. None of their player do.

 

It's not like the Marlins have given a reason for the fans to get attached to any players.

[a700hitter]

It's not like the Marlins have given a reason for the fans to get attached to any players.

Exactly, so they don't need to retain anyone to open the new stadium.

[Dipre]

I have a very hard time believing the Marlins have any interest in trading Hanley away before they get into that new stadium. He's one of the top 5 players in the game and has a very affordable contract considering his talent through 2014. I imagine we called but they are going to start at Jon Lester and to be honest they have every right to

 

So you think they're going to ask for a player who's going to be making more than five million after next year?

 

Lol no.