Wakefield and the 2010 season.

[Dipre]

The same reasons people think SD is going to trade Gonzalez

 

Oh enlighten me, please.

 

Please compare farm systems, current rosters, and chances to compete.

 

Completely different scenarios.

 

But you already knew, you're just trying to "make a point".

[a700hitter]

Why in the blue hell do people think Seattle is going to trade Felix?

I really hope that Theo doesn't diddle around trying to make deals for Gonzalez and Felix that can't be made and in the mean time, Lackey and Holliday and Bay get signed by other teams.

[TheMino007]

^see the 2008 offseason and Mark Teixeria

[Dipre]

^see the 2008 offseason and Mark Teixeria

 

 

Isolated incident, for one, and probably more on Henry than Theo.

[BoSox21]

Rob Bradford of WEEI reports the Sox have signed Wakefield to a two-year, $5 mil deal. $3.5 mil next season and $1.5 in 2011. Both years have incentive clauses as well.

[Dojji]

the perpetual option has finally ended, then.

[BSN07]

Bradford confirmed in an email that the deal has been finalized.

 

WEEI.com's Rob Bradford says the new deal will guarantee Wakefield $5MM ($3.5MM in 2010, $1.5MM in 2011), with incentives that could push the total value of the deal up to $7MM.

 

 

The Red Sox have held (and exercised) a perpetual $4MM option for knuckleballer Tim Wakefield since 2005, but now Tony Massarotti of The Boston Globe reports that the two sides are renegotiating the deal after Wakefield had surgery to remove disc fragments from his back

[BoSox21]

Maybe it goes without saying but Wakefield basically said he's gonna hang 'em up at the end of this two-year deal: "Yes, I’m done after two more,’’ Wakefield said. "That’ll put me at 45."

[rhet]

I want some of what Theo is smoking.

[BoSox21]

I want some of what Theo is smoking.

 

It depends what they're counting on him for. As a long reliever/spot starter, it makes a ton of sense.

[Dipre]

I want some of what Theo is smoking.

 

If they don't count on him as the hands down 5th starter, i'm ok with that. Specially if they bring him in after June.

[TheMino007]

Stupid move. Wake can't pitch a full season anymore and the Sox gave him a guareented two year deal. I hope this doesn't hinder the Sox from going out and getting Lackey or any other number three option. Wakefield has done a lot for this org, but there are better options out there. The Sox need to move on from Wake.

[TheKilo]

Why did they have no stop the perpetual option? Doesn't make sense to me.

[TheMino007]

Why did they have no stop the perpetual option? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

Doesn't make sense to me either, espically at this point in Wake's career when its proven that he can't pitch a full season anymore. Why give him a guareented contract when you can't guareente anymore that he'll take the mound 30 times in one year?

[VA Sox Fan]

Good news about Wake!!

 

More details:

 

 

Meanwhile, Alex Speier of WEEI.com has the exact details of Tim Wakefield's new deal. For you completists out there, here is the down-and-dirty:

 

Base salary: $3.5m in 2010; $1.5m in 2011.

 

Bonuses in 2010: $50,000 each for starts 11-15; $75,000 each for starts 16-25; $100,000 each for starts 26-30. Maximum: $5 million.

 

Escalator clause for 2011 base salary: Throwing 130 innings would add $500,000. Throwing 160 innings would add $2 million.

 

Bonuses in 2011 if base salary is $1.5 million: $100,000 each for starts 11-15; $200,000 each for starts 16-25; $250,000 each for starts 26-30. Maximum: $5.25 million.

 

Bonuses for 2011 if base salary is $2 million: $75,000 each for starts 11-15; $150,000 each for starts 16-20; $200,000 each for starts 21-30. Maximum: $5.125 million.

 

Bonuses for 2011 if base salary is $3.5 million: $50,000 each for starts 11-15; $75,000 each for starts 16-25; $100,000 each for starts 26-30. Maximum: $5 million.

 

So at worst, Wakefield will earn $5 million. But could earn as much as $10.125 million is he piles up the innings and starts. If he does that, the Sox will gladly pay.

 

Any starting pitcher who can give them 30 starts and/or 160 innings has a lot of value. Especially considering that Wakefield will ostensibly be the No. 5 starter next season behind Josh Beckett, Jon Lester, Daisuke Matsuzaka and Clay Buchholz.

[Dipre]

Why did they have no stop the perpetual option? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

Apparently he's hanging them up after '11, and wanted to guarantee that year.

[TheKilo]

Then he can earn it in 2010

[Dipre]

Then he can earn it in 2010

 

Well i might be wrong. But i think if someone in MLB has earned the right to end his career however he so chooses it's Tim Wakefield.

 

But that's just a personal opinion.

[VA Sox Fan]

Well i might be wrong. But i think if someone in MLB has earned the right to end his career however he so chooses it's Tim Wakefield.

 

But that's just a personal opinion.

 

Agree 100% bro.

[TheKilo]

f*** that Wakefield can earn his spot just like everybody else.

[a700hitter]

I look forward to the day he goes away. I can't stand watching us forfeit the games he pitches against the Yankees year in and year out.

[VA Sox Fan]

I look forward to the day he goes away. I can't stand watching us forfeit the games he pitches against the Yankees year in and year out.

 

He went 11-5 last season and won his only start against the NYY.

[rhet]

It depends what they're counting on him for. As a long reliever/spot starter' date=' it makes a ton of sense.[/quote']

 

All his incentives are for starts and innings. Doesn't sound like they signed him to relieve.

 

Anything beyond one year throw-away money just doesn't make sense to me.

[jacksonianmarch]

Putting Wake in the rotation from the season's inception is a bad, bad move. They need a third reliable starter or this thing is gonna collapse.

[example1]

Putting Wake in the rotation from the season's inception is a bad' date=' bad move. They need a third reliable starter or this thing is gonna collapse.[/quote']

 

Matsuzaka and Buchholz are both starters and there's many reasons to think they'll be reliable. Buchholz is the real deal and, when healthy (physically and mentally), so is Matsuzaka.

 

Otherwise I agree with you. I've thought Wake was done for a few years and he keeps producing decently.

[RedSox2737]

i don't get it....they want to keep wakefield, but would be willing to let varitek go.......after everything he's meant to the club, they're more concerned with wakefield's dignity than the captain's? I don't think wakefield will be usefull anymore......time to hang em up. Let varitek stay one more year and retire with pride ........."that's just my opinion, i could be wrong"

[TheMino007]

Screw Wakefield, the Sox need to sign Lackey and have a formidable 1-2-3 punch of Beckett, Lester, and Lackey. Right now who is our number three? A unreliable Clay Buccholz who finally began to get things right last season. Dice-K? A guy who was a non factor last year? Then you have Wake at the 5 spot which is hit or miss (we are all aware of his streaks) who is bound to fall apart in July, and at any rate a guy who is a terrible, terrible playoff starter. Imagine a rotation if Dice-K was the number 4 and Clay was number 5? It would be incredible.

[jacksonianmarch]

Matsuzaka and Buchholz are both starters and there's many reasons to think they'll be reliable. Buchholz is the real deal and, when healthy (physically and mentally), so is Matsuzaka.

 

Otherwise I agree with you. I've thought Wake was done for a few years and he keeps producing decently.

 

Joba was the real deal too. The fact is, guys who are entering what you hope is their first full yr in the rotation will have their ups and downs. You have no idea what to expect from Buchholz and neither do the sox. Matsuzaka and Wakefield fit into that category because of injury. You need 3 guys who you can pencil in for 30+ starts prior to the season. Yes, one of them might get hurt and one or all of the question marks can come up roses, but you cannot bet on that from day 1, especially a big market team. NY learned that lesson in 2009. The sox should too

[VA Sox Fan]

Good news about Wake!!

 

More details:

 

 

Meanwhile, Alex Speier of WEEI.com has the exact details of Tim Wakefield's new deal. For you completists out there, here is the down-and-dirty:

 

Base salary: $3.5m in 2010; $1.5m in 2011.

 

Bonuses in 2010: $50,000 each for starts 11-15; $75,000 each for starts 16-25; $100,000 each for starts 26-30. Maximum: $5 million.

 

Escalator clause for 2011 base salary: Throwing 130 innings would add $500,000. Throwing 160 innings would add $2 million.

 

Bonuses in 2011 if base salary is $1.5 million: $100,000 each for starts 11-15; $200,000 each for starts 16-25; $250,000 each for starts 26-30. Maximum: $5.25 million.

 

Bonuses for 2011 if base salary is $2 million: $75,000 each for starts 11-15; $150,000 each for starts 16-20; $200,000 each for starts 21-30. Maximum: $5.125 million.

 

Bonuses for 2011 if base salary is $3.5 million: $50,000 each for starts 11-15; $75,000 each for starts 16-25; $100,000 each for starts 26-30. Maximum: $5 million.

 

So at worst, Wakefield will earn $5 million. But could earn as much as $10.125 million is he piles up the innings and starts. If he does that, the Sox will gladly pay.

 

Any starting pitcher who can give them 30 starts and/or 160 innings has a lot of value. Especially considering that Wakefield will ostensibly be the No. 5 starter next season behind Josh Beckett, Jon Lester, Daisuke Matsuzaka and Clay Buchholz.

 

NO ONE said anything about Wake being a 3rd starter jacko et. al. Calm down Red Sox fans. STFU jacko!

[example1]

Joba was the real deal too. The fact is' date=' guys who are entering what you hope is their first full yr in the rotation will have their ups and downs. You have no idea what to expect from Buchholz and neither do the sox. Matsuzaka and Wakefield fit into that category because of injury. You need 3 guys who you can pencil in for 30+ starts prior to the season. Yes, one of them might get hurt and one or all of the question marks can come up roses, but you cannot bet on that from day 1, especially a big market team. NY learned that lesson in 2009. The sox should too[/quote']

 

We will agree to disagree. I've watched enough baseball to know that Buchholz has the stuff to be a very, very good pitcher. He has the diversity of good pitches to be able to shift which ones he relies on on any given day, and he added both a slider and a two-seam FB that increase that total number of pitches.

 

He pitched to contact to great success this season, his FB increased its velocity, he's still growing into his frame, and he's been an ELITE pitcher on the milb level (not just good, elite) and at times on the MLB level.

 

 

I will leave Joba out of this discussion. You know I thought he was going to be good, he disappointed. His stuff got worse, but he's still young.

 

Matsuzaka started roughly 30 games each of his first two seasons. We can expect that he will do that again in 2009.