Wakefield and the 2010 season.

[VA Sox Fan]

Sure you did. Who the hell was talking about Halladay and the trading deadline until you brought him up. The discussion was about Wakefield. You've got to take accountability for that.

 

I was recalling your Halladay rants b/c they reminded me of your Wakefield rants. You bitched and moaned EVERY TIME he started. Now you aren't happy with his 2 year contract. I don't consider that trolling but you obviously disagree.

[a700hitter]

I was recalling your Halladay rants b/c they reminded me of your Wakefield rants. You bitched and moaned EVERY TIME he started. Now you aren't happy with his 2 year contract. I don't consider that trolling but you obviously disagree.

I don't hate you for it. Everyone here trolls an issue once in awhile. Your trolling was apparently unwitting. No biggie.

[a700hitter]

But Beckett hadn't been Beckett in months, I didn't think he would miraculously become the ace just b/c it was the post season.

 

Of course I remember winning the first 8 meetings with the Yankees, but they were a completely different team in the 2nd half of the season.

...and Halladay could have changed a lot of that. When we rolled out the number 5 guy in the second half, it was like raising the white flag. We rolled out a steady diet of garbage in that spot.

[ORS]

Clay Buchholz went 6-3 with a 4.34 ERA in 13 games pitched, which is not garbage, and the team went 10-3 from the deadline to the finish. Since Halladay would have replaced Buchholz, even if he went 13-0 in those games for the Sox, with all 3 extra wins coming against the Yankees, they are still 2 games back in the final standings.

 

The Sox would have still faced the Angels, and they would still have lost when the offense decided to no-show. Don't give me that crap about a different race if they win 3 more games. Roy Halladay doesn't make Paul Byrd any less awful.

[a700hitter]

Clay Buchholz went 6-3 with a 4.34 ERA in 13 games pitched, which is not garbage, and the team went 10-3 from the deadline to the finish. Since Halladay would have replaced Buchholz, even if he went 13-0 in those games for the Sox, with all 3 extra wins coming against the Yankees, they are still 2 games back in the final standings.

 

The Sox would have still faced the Angels, and they would still have lost when the offense decided to no-show. Don't give me that crap about a different race if they win 3 more games. Roy Halladay doesn't make Paul Byrd any less awful.

So, you see no possibility that Halladay could have helped improve the Red Sox 2009 season?

[ORS]

So' date=' you see no possibility that Halladay could have helped improve the Red Sox 2009 season?[/quote']

How do you infer that from what I posted? I said they could have been as much as 3 game better. What I don't think it does is make them hit against the Angels, which is what was necessary for them to go deeper into the playoffs like you said having Halladay would have done for the team. I'm sorry an objective look doesn't add up to the improvement you suggest would have occurred.

[VA Sox Fan]

I don't hate you for it. Everyone here trolls an issue once in awhile. Your trolling was apparently unwitting. No biggie.

 

 

Wow, what a relief.

[a700hitter]

How do you infer that from what I posted? I said they could have been as much as 3 game better. What I don't think it does is make them hit against the Angels' date=' which is what was necessary for them to go deeper into the playoffs like you said having Halladay would have done for the team. I'm sorry an objective look doesn't add up to the improvement you suggest would have occurred.[/quote']Let me clarify. You see no possibility that Halladay wins 3 games against the Yankees making the race much closer, no possibility that he helps the Sox overtake the Yankees?

[ORS]

Not really. Roy Halladay doesn't make other teams better against the Yankees.

[a700hitter]

Not really. Roy Halladay doesn't make other teams better against the Yankees.

The Red Sox did make a run at Halladay and at the trading deadline the Sox were practically in a dead heat with the Yankees. The FO must have thought that Halladay could have helped them win the division.

[Dipre]

Clint, honest question to end the debate.

 

Do you think that, with Hallady:

 

A) The Sox overtake the Yanks and run over the Twins.

 

B ) The Sox beat the Angels and make the ALCS anyway.

 

State your reasons for either answer.

[bsox0407]

Clint, honest question to end the debate.

 

Do you think that, with Hallady:

 

A) The Sox overtake the Yanks and run over the Twins.

 

B ) The Sox beat the Angels and make the ALCS anyway.

 

State your reasons for either answer.

 

I like B on this one. From what i have seen with Halladay he would just need more run support and he would have a lot more wins at this point his career.

 

A is kind of a long shot but it could have been had if he could have pitched like he did in the first part of the season.

[Dipre]

I like B on this one. From what i have seen with Halladay he would just need more run support and he would have a lot more wins at this point his career.

 

A is kind of a long shot but it could have been had if he could have pitched like he did in the first part of the season.

 

Halladay beats the Angels once, where're the runs to win the other 2?

[bsox0407]

Halladay beats the Angels once' date=' where're the runs to win the other 2?[/quote']

 

maybe it changes game 3. Beckett prolly game three then Buchholz 4. momentum could have helped a lot after the win game 3.

 

Assuming Lester Goes 1 and then Halladay 2.

[Dipre]

maybe it changes game 3. Beckett prolly game three then Buchholz 4. momentum could have helped a lot after the win game 3.

 

Assuming Lester Goes 1 and then Halladay 2.

 

Momentum?

[bsox0407]

Momentum?

 

yeah i believe it affects a team. 2004 2007 red sox and the 2007 rockies. it was there to help IMO. but it could have helped the team this year.

[Dipre]

yeah i believe it affects a team. 2004 2007 red sox and the 2007 rockies. it was there to help IMO. but it could have helped the team this year.

 

Momentum doesn't score runs.

[bsox0407]

Momentum doesn't score runs.

 

true but still it could play a slight factor.

[Dipre]

true but still it could play a slight factor.

 

Slight is not enough to shift a 3-0 sweep into a series win.

[bsox0407]

Slight is not enough to shift a 3-0 sweep into a series win.

 

it contributes though.

[Dojji]

Slight is not enough to shift a 3-0 sweep into a series win.

 

All you need to open the possibility is turning one game around and extending the series. A good SP can do that.

[Dipre]

All you need to open the possibility is turning one game around and extending the series. A good SP can do that.

 

Can he score and drive in runs?

[bsox0407]

Can he score and drive in runs?

 

no but he can prevent them which can help keep your team in the game. if halladay pitched our game three we win hands down.

[Dipre]

no but he can prevent them which can help keep your team in the game. if halladay pitched our game three we win hands down.

 

You're making this up.

[The_Destroyah]

Can he score and drive in runs?

 

no but we dont know how our lineup would've hit in the fourth game.

[bsox0407]

You're making this up.

 

how. you don't think he would have gone longer in the game then buchholz would have.

[Dipre]

no but we dont know how our lineup would've hit in the fourth game.

 

So you're sure Halladay would have held down the Angels lineup and won the game?

 

Ok then, guess i'm wrong.

 

I gotta get me one of those crystal balls as well.

[bsox0407]

So you're sure Halladay would have held down the Angels lineup and won the game?

 

Ok then, guess i'm wrong.

 

I gotta get me one of those crystal balls as well.

 

he would have kept us in the game and made the game closer giving us a better chance to win.

[Dipre]

he would have kept us in the game and made the game closer giving us a better chance to win.

 

Better chance =/= win.

 

And you still have to win two more games with that lethargic lineup.

 

How anyone thinks Halladay alone makes the Sox reach the ALCS is beside me.

[bsox0407]

Better chance =/= win.

 

And you still have to win two more games with that lethargic lineup.

 

How anyone thinks Halladay alone makes the Sox reach the ALCS is beside me.

 

it would have helped. if they were going with a 3 man rotation and having Buchholz in the bullpen could have helped. Were the Sox going with a three pitcher rotation? i forgot.