Wakefield and the 2010 season.

[jacksonianmarch]

I disagree with you guys on this one. I think getting another starter is pretty important for Boston. As it stands, the sox rotation will be Beckett-Lester-Buchholz-DiceK-Wakefield. I have said all along that having 3 starters that you can count on for innings is a really good way to win. NY got it this yr with CC-Burnett-Pettitte. For the sox, DiceK is an injury ?, Buchholz is essentially entering his first full season as a major league starting pitcher so he is a ?, and Wakefield is an injury ?. If the sox fielded that rotation, then there would be a significant likelihood that 30+ starts would be lost between them (either with Buch struggling or Dice and Wake hurting). There needs to be a 3rd guy who they can count on for 200IP, even if they arent top notch innings.

[The_Destroyah]

Agree, but if we fail to acquire Gonzo I still like Felix.

[Dipre]

Agree' date=' but if we fail to acquire Gonzo I still like Felix.[/quote']

 

It'd be a hell of a plan B. But i honestly do not see Seattle trading him.

[The_Destroyah]

It'd be a hell of a plan B. But i honestly do not see Seattle trading him.

 

If I was them I wouldn't trade him either.

[TheMino007]

I disagree with you guys on this one. I think getting another starter is pretty important for Boston. As it stands' date=' the sox rotation will be Beckett-Lester-Buchholz-DiceK-Wakefield. I have said all along that having 3 starters that you can count on for innings is a really good way to win. NY got it this yr with CC-Burnett-Pettitte. For the sox, DiceK is an injury ?, Buchholz is essentially entering his first full season as a major league starting pitcher so he is a ?, and Wakefield is an injury ?. If the sox fielded that rotation, then there would be a significant likelihood that 30+ starts would be lost between them (either with Buch struggling or Dice and Wake hurting). There needs to be a 3rd guy who they can count on for 200IP, even if they arent top notch innings.[/quote']

 

The need for a bat is great than that of a SP. Therefore, we should just sign a FA and not dump all our prospects and money by trading for Halladay or Hernandez. Just dump the money and sign Jon Lackey as the number three. I agree another starter would be huge, and we do need it, but the offense has so many questions. Who plays LF? SS? Where is our power bat coming from. Can we afford Holliday/Bay and Adrian Gonzalez/whomever? What about the bullpen, it totaly sucked the second half of last year, does that need any improvements?

[Dojji]

If I was them I wouldn't trade him either.

 

The Mariners are a good offseason away from being a Wild Card contender. that's not the time to trade your ace.

 

We'd have a better shot at Zack Greinke of the Royals. They're not close and their farm isn't really very good yet (Dayton Moore is sinking a ton of money into it so that should change, but it hasn't yet) so given the choice of which one is most likely to trade its ace, Kansas City is probably that team.

[Dipre]

The need for a bat is great than that of a SP. Therefore' date=' we should just sign a FA and not dump all our prospects and money by trading for Halladay or Hernandez. Just dump the money and sign Jon Lackey as the number three. I agree another starter would be huge, and we do need it, but the offense has so many questions. Who plays LF? SS? Where is our power bat coming from. Can we afford Holliday/Bay and Adrian Gonzalez/whomever? What about the bullpen, it totaly sucked the second half of last year, does that need any improvements?[/quote']

 

The bullpen is ok.

 

Bring back Bay or sign Holliday, bring back Gonzales, trade Theo's mother if need be for Adrian Gonzales and sign John Lackey and Rich Harden.

 

The payroll excuse just won't do anymore, specially after the Yankees just bought a title, 'cause if they can buy one, so can we.

[Mr Crunchy]

The sox have the money to buy whoever they want. the problem we as fans have is that building will push capacity every single night whether they get Adrian Gonzales or Juan Gonzales and this ownership group wont get bent over for one of those 8 yr 175M deals, they dont have to do it and i dont think they will do it seeing as theyve made the playoffs 6 out of 7 years with 2 titles in the mix.

as they stand now theyre going to be competetive enough even if they stand still and let Bay walk to make a run at the playoffs and as long as thats happening the ballpark is full every night.

With 19 different owners these guys are in this to make money, dont expect anything spectacular to occur that would effect the payroll dramatically, I just dont think they need to do anything to improve attendence, you cant improve on 500-550+ sellouts now can you?

[BoSox21]

The sox have the money to buy whoever they want. the problem we as fans have is that building will push capacity every single night whether they get Adrian Gonzales or Juan Gonzales and this ownership group wont get bent over for one of those 8 yr 175M deals, they dont have to do it and i dont think they will do it seeing as theyve made the playoffs 6 out of 7 years with 2 titles in the mix.

as they stand now theyre going to be competetive enough even if they stand still and let Bay walk to make a run at the playoffs and as long as thats happening the ballpark is full every night.

With 19 different owners these guys are in this to make money, dont expect anything spectacular to occur that would effect the payroll dramatically, I just dont think they need to do anything to improve attendence, you cant improve on 500-550+ sellouts now can you?

 

That's not really fair to imply that ownership's only goal is to ensure that the ballpark is full every night. The 2007 team would've been competitive had they kept Trot Nixon in RF instead of shelling out massive coin for JD Drew. I have full confidence that they'd spend the necessary amount if they felt the player warranted the money and the years.

[Dipre]

That's not really fair to imply that ownership's only goal is to ensure that the ballpark is full every night. The 2007 team would've been competitive had they kept Trot Nixon in RF instead of shelling out massive coin for JD Drew. I have full confidence that they'd spend the necessary amount if they felt the player warranted the money and the years.

 

I don't get where he comes up with this stuff, really.

[BoSox21]

It's easy to be frustrated the day after the Yankees win the WS

[Dipre]

It's easy to be frustrated the day after the Yankees win the WS

 

True enough.

[TheMino007]

The bullpen is ok.

 

Bring back Bay or sign Holliday, bring back Gonzales, trade Theo's mother if need be for Adrian Gonzales and sign John Lackey and Rich Harden.

 

The payroll excuse just won't do anymore, specially after the Yankees just bought a title, 'cause if they can buy one, so can we.

 

1. Agree with the Bay/Holliday. We can't lose any more production in this lineup. Bobby Abreu wouldn't be the worst option in the world, but we need another big masher in this lineup.

 

2. Agree- keep Gonzalez at SS. Theo shouldn't make the same mistake again like he did back in 06 when he replaced Gonzo with Lugo. For 6 mill for one year I can't complain. Plus that plus gold glove caliber defense and hits better in a Red Sox uni.

 

3. Adrian Gonzalez, totaly agree. Its time to trade these prospects and get a big bat. Lars Anderson will never be as good as him. Bowden sucks. There aren't really must keep guys in the farm right now.

 

4. We can't sign both Lackey and Harden. Beckett, Lester, Lackey, Dice-K, Buccholz... oh snap crazy good.

[Dipre]

1. Agree with the Bay/Holliday. We can't lose any more production in this lineup. Bobby Abreu wouldn't be the worst option in the world, but we need another big masher in this lineup.

 

2. Agree- keep Gonzalez at SS. Theo shouldn't make the same mistake again like he did back in 06 when he replaced Gonzo with Lugo. For 6 mill for one year I can't complain. Plus that plus gold glove caliber defense and hits better in a Red Sox uni.

 

3. Adrian Gonzalez, totaly agree. Its time to trade these prospects and get a big bat. Lars Anderson will never be as good as him. Bowden sucks. There aren't really must keep guys in the farm right now.

 

4. We can't sign both Lackey and Harden. Beckett, Lester, Lackey, Dice-K, Buccholz... oh snap crazy good.

 

It kinda depends IMO.

[a700hitter]

Let's just get Adrian Gonzalez and Felix Hernandez by Thanksgiving. I will feel much better about the Holidays if that happens.

[Dipre]

Let's just get Adrian Gonzalez and Felix Hernandez by Thanksgiving. I will feel much better about the Holidays if that happens.

 

How about Gonzales, Lackey and Holliday?

[a700hitter]

How about Gonzales' date=' Lackey and Holliday?[/quote']That would be fine too.

[Dipre]

That would be fine too.

 

Fine?

 

Lineup:

 

Ellsbury

Pedroia

Youkilis

Gonzales

Holliday

Drew

Martinez

Ortiz

Gonzales (SS)

 

 

Rotation:

 

Lester

Beckett

Lackey

Bucholz

Dice-K

 

That can compete with the Yankees in every facet of the game.

[a700hitter]

Fine?

 

Lineup:

 

Ellsbury

Pedroia

Youkilis

Gonzales

Bay

Drew

Martinez

Ortiz

Gonzales (SS)

 

 

Rotation:

 

Lester

Beckett

Hernandez

Dice-K

Wakefield/Harden

 

That can compete with the Yankees in every facet of the game.

I am good with this, but doesn't this look good too?

[Dipre]

I am good with this' date=' but doesn't this look good too?[/quote']

 

I'd be jumping up and down with joy.

[TheMino007]

It kinda depends IMO.

 

Depends on what? If we sign Lackey I'm assuming Wakefield will be out of the rotation and will probably be retired. That leaves us with no spots in the rotation, unless the Sox trade Clay Buchholz....

[Dojji]

If we get Adrian Gonzalez, and then offload Lowell for a bit piece to make room, I will be a very happy Sox fan.

 

Once the dust settles up in Toronto after the firing of Ricciardi, we need to be all over Halladay. the chance to get him is too good to pass up, especially if a)it does not cost us Buchholz and we can extend him.

[Dojji]

Depends on what? If we sign Lackey I'm assuming Wakefield will be out of the rotation and will probably be retired. That leaves us with no spots in the rotation' date=' unless the Sox trade Clay Buchholz....[/b']

 

Which is probably going to be a prerequisite price of admission to even get the Mariners talking Hernandez.

[example1]

How about Gonzales' date=' Lackey and Holliday?[/quote']

 

I would be happy with any of these ideas. If they resigned Bay and managed to get a player like Roy Halladay without moving Buchholz they would be immediate strong contenders in the AL East. Holliday would be even better.

[TheMino007]

Which is probably going to be a prerequisite price of admission to even get the Mariners talking Hernandez.

 

For Hernandez I'd be willing to trade Clay. But would Bard have to be traded? I think in any package deal for Hernandez, Gonzalez, Halladay, etc. Josh Bard's name would have to be brought up as part of the package. Would you send Clay to San Diego as part of a deal for Adrian Gonzalez, or to Milwaukee to get Prince Fielder?

[Dojji]

For Hernandez I'd be willing to trade Clay.

 

I wouldn't. I don't think you gain much by trading one above average player for another at the same position, even if one is noticeably better than the other. the only exception is if the guy you're trading wouldn't play the same role that the guy you're receiving would. I don't think that's the case here.

[redsoxrules]

If we get Adrian Gonzalez, and then offload Lowell for a bit piece to make room, I will be a very happy Sox fan.

 

Once the dust settles up in Toronto after the firing of Ricciardi, we need to be all over Halladay. the chance to get him is too good to pass up, especially if a)it does not cost us Buchholz and we can extend him.

 

If the only way to get Halladay is to give up Buchholz and we can extend Halladay then Buchholz needs to go , its a no brainer

[TheMino007]

I wouldn't. I don't think you gain much by trading one above average player for another at the same position' date=' even if one is noticeably better than the other. the only exception is if the guy you're trading wouldn't play the same role that the guy you're receiving would. I don't think that's the case here.[/quote']

 

Felix is a year younger than Clay I believe and the guy has All-Star stuff. We trade for him and lock him up and he'll be in the prime of his career in Boston. Clay is what, 26, and he is light years behind Felix on the learning curve. Clay has yet to put together a full year of Major Leauge ball yet, and I'd be he isn't as good as Felix Hernandez is 5 years.

[Dipre]

Why in the blue hell do people think Seattle is going to trade Felix?

[TheKilo]

Why in the blue hell do people think Seattle is going to trade Felix?

 

The same reasons people think SD is going to trade Gonzalez