...and whoever's playing the Yankees - 2008 Game Thread

[Gom]

lol

 

Youkilis, Ellsbury, and Buchholz is still

Once again, remove Youkilis and Helton.

To be fair, I added WARP3. Right now, Santana has a 5.3 WARP compared to Ellsbury's 4.1.

 

You can honestly tell me that Ellsbury is close to Santana in value? You can say that with a straigt face???

 

Find me one other person here who agrees with that. No, you're not allowed to bring back that idiot JHB.

 

26, here's the link. Now you can go assassinate Cashman.

 

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_9964724

[jacksonianmarch]

You know what i find funny? Gom goes back to the Johan deal when Johan has been no better (probably worse) than Mussina when you factor everything in. LETS TRADE THE FARM FOR MIKE MUSSINA!!! idiot

[CrespoBlows]

Once again' date=' remove Youkilis and Helton. [/quote']

 

OK, but really? Youkilis, Ellsbury, and Buchholz is

 

 

You can honestly tell me that Ellsbury is close to Santana in value? You can say that with a straigt face???

 

Find me one other person here who agrees with that. No, you're not allowed to bring back that idiot JHB.

 

I'm willing to bet if Johan Santana was playing in the AL East, that statement wouldn't be crazy.

 

BTW, show me where I agreed with it. I think it's an odd stat, and I'll send BP an e-mail to see what their explanation is.

[CrespoBlows]

Gom, since we should trade all prospects for veterans.

 

Santana

 

FOR

 

Jon Lester, Jacoby Ellsbury, Justin Masterson, Jed Lowrie, and Ryan Kalish?

[Gom]

For this year and the next, I would take Santana over Youk, Ellsbury, and Buchholz. After that, I don't know. Finding a good firstbaseman is much easier than an ace. Say what you want about Beckett or Dice-K, but Santana is a better pitcher. I value SP over 1B any day of the week.

[jacksonianmarch]

Santana is good, but not great this yr. Mussina is better right now

[Gom]

So you'd rather have Moose than Santana? God help your patients. Seriously.

 

What amazes me is that to get through medical school today, you need a high level of intelligence. Unfortunately, you trust what you read in the papers the same as what you read what the Yankees telling you. Note to Jacko: What the Yankees release is not in a TEXTBOOK. You may be a very knowledgeable doctor, but you're about the dumbest evaluator in talent I have ever met. It's frustrating that someone of such intelligence is that clueless.

 

I highly doubt you have ever watched Kennedy or Hughes pitch. If you did, you wouldn't be so high on either one.

 

You still haven't told me what it is about Kennedy or Hughes you see that will make them successful. Other than age. You know what? If you suck at 23, you will probably suck at 33. Hughes at least has a decent fastball, and a big curve. I think if he can ever control his curve, he could be serviceable. Kennedy? No speed, no good secondary pitches, not that great control. What's you analysis, doc?

[jacksonianmarch]

By your criteria, the short term is all that matters and since Mussina is better than Johan right now, the Mets should be all about a deal, right? Dumbass

[Gom]

By your criteria' date=' the short term is all that matters and since Mussina is better than Johan right now, the Mets should be all about a deal, right? Dumbass[/quote']

You're truly an idiot. Honestly, wherever JHB went, you should follow. Prospects for veterans, you moron. Find me someone who would qualify Santana as a "prospect". Stop self-medicating.

 

I hope and pray Cashman is let go after this season, and a smart GM is put in place, one who understands that the farm system is there to support the major league team, not the other way around. You know what would happen? Your thinking would come around. Why? You follow. Why? Sheep are led.

[CrespoBlows]

 

I hope and pray Cashman is let go after this season, and a smart GM is put in place, one who understands that the farm system is there to support the major league team, not the other way around.

 

What?

[Gom]

What?

 

Reread the quote.

[CrespoBlows]

Reread the quote.

 

Yeah, and it was stunningly stupid.

 

Cashman - "LOL TRAIT AROD 4 PROSPECTS, BECUZ ACCORDiNG TO GOM WE EXIST TO AUGMENT THE MINORZ LOL!!!"

 

Do you really believe that Brian Cashman runs the team this way, because that's what you said.

[Gom]

Yeah, and it was stunningly stupid.

 

Cashman - "LOL TRAIT AROD 4 PROSPECTS, BECUZ ACCORDiNG TO GOM WE EXIST TO AUGMENT THE MINORZ LOL!!!"

 

Do you really believe that Brian Cashman runs the team this way, because that's what you said.

You are really too dumb to understand the quote. Someone explain it to him. I have lost my patience for stupidity.

[jacksonianmarch]

Santana would be killing the ball right now. With him, we'd be beating Perkins.

[CrespoBlows]

I hope and pray Cashman is let go after this season, and a smart GM is put in place, one who understands that the farm system is there to support the major league team, not the other way around. You know what would happen? Your thinking would come around. Why? You follow. Why? Sheep are led.

 

No, I think Jackson tends to overrate Yankee prospects, but he wants to create a foundation of young talent like the late 90's Yankees.

 

You keep making fun of him for liking Phil Hughes. Question for everyone, who didn't? Gom, you don't count, because you don't pay attention to MiLB. You probably have no idea who the f*** Phil Hughes was before he debuted.

 

Hughes' career MiLB ERA is a 2.02, and he was dominating the high minors as a 20 year old. The book on this kid isn't closed.

[CrespoBlows]

You are really too dumb to understand the quote. Someone explain it to him. I have lost my patience for stupidity.

 

Do you have to re-read your own quote?

 

"understands that the farm system is there to support the major league team, not the other way around."

 

The other way around would be that the major league team would be there to support the farm system.

 

Is that what you're accusing Cashman of doing? Again, stunningly stupid.

[Gom]

No, I think Jackson tends to overrate Yankee prospects, but he wants to create a foundation of young talent like the late 90's Yankees.

 

You keep making fun of him for liking Phil Hughes. Question for everyone, who didn't? Gom, you don't count, because you don't pay attention to MiLB. You probably have no idea who the f*** Phil Hughes was before he debuted.

 

Hughes' career MiLB ERA is a 2.02, and he was dominating the high minors as a 20 year old. The book on this kid isn't closed.

I'm not killing Hughes. I would have traded him in a heartbeat for Santana., however. What gets to me is that I don't look at the minors because they don't interest me. However, when a player makes it to the majors, I watch him. I watch how he bats, how he strides, how he runs the bases, his velocity, etc.

 

Hughes's velocity did not come as advertised. He's 92-93. So he has an average fastball. Maybe he was hurt, I don't know. He has a big breaking curveball that he can't control that well. If he gains the ability to control it, and can locate his fastball, he'll be decent.

 

Kennedy? Poor velocity [87-88]. Poor control. Lack of secondary pitches. Now...if he gains 4-5 MPH on his fastball, locates it with pinpoint control, and develops a secondary and tertiary pitch, then yes...he'll be fine. However, you can say that about pretty much any prospect. If he gets better, he'll be good.

 

Jacko and Cashman believe in the same thing. That getting older will miraculously make these players get better. Control and creation of a secondary and tertiary pitch is possible. Increasing the speed on your fastball generally isn't.

[jacksonianmarch]

Gom, re-read your post again. There ya go kiddo.

[msubulldogs21]

As for the actual game, Glen Perkins is pitching a gem. 8 innings, 4 hits, 0 runs.

[Gom]

Ok, let me make it easier for you Jacko. When presented with a choice, as a large market team with financial resources bigger than anyone else, potential long-term gain, which should be viewed as high risk, potential high reward, should be sacrificed to for short-term gain. The reason being, with the fiscal resources at their disposal, the Yankees have the means to overcome any errors in judgement in trading away their potential high reward players by re-acquiring such players when they become free agents or to acquire players either by more trades or in the free agent market with similar attributes.

 

There. Make you feel better?

 

In other words, the farm system, it's rankings, all that ******** don't matter. What matters is the position of the parent club. Everything else is secondary.

[jacksonianmarch]

your model worked when lower revenue teams did not get revenue sharing. Now that teams are locking up their players early, the FA markets are going to s***. This yr will be an exception, but look at last yr. Regardless, people with any sort of baseball intellect consider the minors important. Since you dont....well, draw your own conclusion

[jacksonianmarch]

Regardless. This team played a do or die game tonight and just gave up.

 

RIP 2008 Yankees 3/31/2008- 8/11/2008. We hardly knew ye.

[Gom]

your model worked when lower revenue teams did not get revenue sharing. Now that teams are locking up their players early' date=' the FA markets are going to s***. This yr will be an exception, but look at last yr. Regardless, people with any sort of baseball intellect consider the minors important. Since you dont....well, draw your own conclusion[/quote']

Didn't say the minors weren't important. They are important in supplementing the major league team. Like I said, the minors are there to support the majors any which way that they can.

[Cocos Disciples]

So if Jacko gives up on the Yankees, and Jacko is always wrong, thats bad news.

[Gom]

Regardless. This team played a do or die game tonight and just gave up.

 

RIP 2008 Yankees 3/31/2008- 8/11/2008. We hardly knew ye.

 

They died in Anaheim. Fitting. At least we have the Olympics, and Cashman's firing to look forward to.

[TheKilo]

lol Yanks

[Gom]

I didn't even watch the game. I'm boycotting this team. I wonder if the Yankees will be so shameless to ask us season ticket holders for a deposit on playoff tickets.

[das11209]

I didn't even watch the game. I'm boycotting this team. I wonder if the Yankees will be so shameless to ask us season ticket holders for a deposit on playoff tickets.

 

Is there a PSL for the new stadium?

[Gom]

I don't think so.

[BoSox21]

wow, 2nd game in a row the opposing closer strikes out the side against the Yanks