Mitchell Report

[ORS]

no its not the complete list, but most fans will think it is. And I'm pretty sure MLB won't be releasing another list for a while.

 

 

 

actually no. I'm not the only one who felt this way about the inappropriate hiring of Mitchell to conduct the investigation.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3142651

Oh, but I thought you were OK with it before the list came out? Make up your mind.

 

And, I never said he was the best choice. As soon as he was announced as the lead of the investigation, I knew there would be problems with the perception of conflict of interest. Poor choice by Bud the dud.

 

That isn't what I'm taking issue with in regards to your posts. He can still be a bad choice while remaining impartial. You've accused him of being impartial. That is what I take issue with.

 

Now run along and enjoy your sponge bath with Howard Bryant. Seriously, do you read his stuff regularly? I wouldn't rush to jump into bed with that dolt.

[26 to 6]

As a Yankee fan I wanted to make note of all the players named who had at one point played for the Yankees. Pretty large portion of those named have played for the Yankees at one point. As a Yankee fan I feel ashamed, sad, hurt, cheated, etc. I'm just at a loss for words...this s*** sucks.

 

Rondell White, Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte, Chuck Knoblauch, Jason Grimsley, David Justice ,F.P. Santangelo, Glenallen Hill, Denny Neagle, Ron Villone, Todd Pratt, Mike Stanton, Kevin Brown, Jose Canseco, Jason Grimsley, Gary Sheffield.

 

Amazing.

 

das, just wanted to point out that I recall reading a little bit on Alex Cabrera in the report and packages he had recieved while still with Arizona. He's not on your list, just wanted to let you know. Between names like Nook Logan, and Matt Franco t's extraordinary to see some of the guys who were using PEDs. After seing Franco and Cabrera it occurred to me why guys like this, particularily Cabrera had so much success in Japan. Over in Japan they pay little/no attention at all to performance enhancing drugs, and because they are so oblivious to this issue, it has appearantly allowed guys like Cabrera and others to make great careers for themselves over there. Guys not named, but who fit this description are the likes of Tuffy Rhodes, Benny Agbayani, etc. I'm interested to see if NPB addresses this at all in the coming months. Not that whether they do or don't is significant, I would just like to see a huge crackdown in all aspects of the game. The information revealed today is just absolutely SICKENING

[26 to 6]

I dont think Mitchell was a bad choice at all. While yes, the fact that he does have interest in the Red Sox is somewhat of a conflict, he's too well respected and has too good a reputation for him to lose any credibility. I think Mitchell was a fine choice. On one hand you're keeping it within the hands of someone who is in some aspect within the game of baseball, while still issuing responsibility to a well-respected former congressman. I, personally, am pretty satisfied with the selection of Mitchell, and the job he did, considering he didn't have much cooperation and practically nothing to work with.

[He Hate Me]

Oh, but I thought you were OK with it before the list came out? Make up your mind.

 

And, I never said he was the best choice. As soon as he was announced as the lead of the investigation, I knew there would be problems with the perception of conflict of interest. Poor choice by Bud the dud.

 

That isn't what I'm taking issue with in regards to your posts. He can still be a bad choice while remaining impartial. You've accused him of being impartial. That is what I take issue with.

 

Now run along and enjoy your sponge bath with Howard Bryant. Seriously, do you read his stuff regularly? I wouldn't rush to jump into bed with that dolt.

 

I'll ignore the little snide remark about the sponge bath since you usually can't resist

 

I'm not accussing him of doing it on purpose, I think he would have pursued Red Sox leads if they came to him, but I do think that, on a subconcious level, he was not as aggressive as he could have been when it came to the Sox.

 

I am not happy with the perception this incomplete list will create because I doubt MLB will ever release another report like this.

[He Hate Me]

I do want to echo 26 to 6's comments BTW. As a Yankee fan I am supremely ashamed of the amount of cheaters we've had on our teams in the past.

[26 to 6]

Just try to keep in mind the sources of his information. I dont think it's so much that he was more agressive in highlighting players from certain clubs, as opposed to others; but moreso the fact that NOBODY would talk to him, and those who was able to get to talk to him could only provide so much information. If one of the informants for this investigation were a Red Sox clubhouse employee, like Radomsky with the Mets, i'm sure Mitchell would have tried to get as much information from him as possible, and published it in his report. I ABSOLUTELY 100% agree with your dissatisfaction of the findings, and with good reason considering that this. or anything like it, probably will never be done again, but cut the guy some slack. He did the best he could with what he had to work with. He did what he was hired to do.

[26 to 6]

The worst part about all of this is how surprised some of us, myself included, seem. We knew what was coming. I guess just having the facts placed in front of us have finally caused reality to set in.

[ARod2212]

How do they interview Radmonski, trainer from the Mets, and not have one Met in the report? That doesn't fit right to me.

 

Andy Pettitte has been my favorite player since I was a kid. I'm curious to see his public response, which according to his agent will be coming after they read the report.

 

Pettitte's citation in the report was when he was rehabbing his elbow, so I want to see his spin on it.

 

I'm not really that broken up about it, but it does suck that he's in it.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I'm not hurt at all. There have been wispers about Clemens for years so thats no shock and really Pettitte doesnt suprise me either. Both are pals. I think this report has pretty much been regurgitation of information we have heard before.

[TedWilliams101]

You know, Dan Duquette was completely right. Everyone has ripped him and laughed at him for letting Clemens go. The guy was right. Clemens just became a filthy cheating whore. I guess we all owe him a bit of an apology.

[Cocos Disciples]

Well...he did go on to have 10 very successful years. So exactly how right was he?

[KeepTheFaith1229]

You know' date=' Dan Duquette was completely right. Everyone has ripped him and laughed at him for letting Clemens go. The guy was right. Clemens just became a filthy cheating whore. I guess we all him a bit of an apology.[/quote']

 

lol

 

so if it came out that Pedro used steroids...you would've called that a mistake?

[chacha]

According to the Mitchell Commission report, here are players mentioned and how they are linked to performance enhancing substances:

 

Information Learned During this Investigation Concerning BALCO and Major League Baseball (8 players/ 3 active in MLB in 2007)

From the report: "I requested interviews of all the major league players who had been publicly implicated in the BALCO case."

 

Marvin Benard

Barry Bonds

Bobby Estalella

Jason Giambi

Jeremy Giambi

Benito Santiago

Gary Sheffield

Randy Velarde

 

 

Information Regarding Purchases or Use of Performance Enhancing Substances by Players in Major League Baseball (53 players/ 18 active in MLB in 2007)

From the report: "The following discussion is organized in roughly chronological order. Records do not exist to document every transaction described by witnesses. [Kirk] Radomski stated that, with one exception noted below, the payments he received from professional baseball players were for performance enhancing substances, as opposed to personal training or other services, and this assertion was confirmed by those players who agreed to speak with us about their dealings with him."

 

Lenny Dykstra

David Segui

Larry Bigbie

Brian Roberts

Jack Cust

Tim Laker

Josias Manzanillo

Todd Hundley

Mark Carreon

Hal Morris

Matt Franco

Rondell White

Roger Clemens

Andy Pettitte

Chuck Knoblauch

Jason Grimsley

Gregg Zaun

David Justice

F.P. Santangelo

Glenallen Hill

Mo Vaughn

Denny Neagle

Ron Villone

Ryan Franklin

Chris Donnels

Todd Williams

Phil Hiatt

Kevin Young

Mike Lansing

Cody McKay

Kent Mercker

Adam Piatt

Miguel Tejada

Jason Christiansen

Mike Stanton

Stephen Randolph

Jerry Hairston, Jr.

Paul Lo Duca

Adam Riggs

Bart Miadich

Fernando Vina

Kevin Brown

Eric Gagné

Mike Bell

Matt Herges

Gary Bennett, Jr.

Jim Parque

Brendan Donnelly

Chad Allen

Jeff Williams

Howie Clark

Exavier "Nook" Logan

 

 

Alleged Internet Purchases of Performance Enhancing Substances By Players in Major League Baseball (16 players, 8 active in MLB in 2007)

From the report: "Since the initial news reports of the raid by New York and Florida law enforcement officials on Signature Pharmacy and several rejuvenation centers, the names of several current and former major league players have appeared in the media as alleged purchasers of performance enhancing substances through these operations. These include:"

 

Rick Ankiel

Paul Byrd

Jay Gibbons

Troy Glaus

Jose Guillen

Jerry Hairston Jr.

Gary Matthews, Jr.

Scott Schoeneweis

David Bell

Jose Canseco

Jason Grimsley

Darren Holmes

John Rocker

Ismael Valdez

Matt Williams

Steve Woodard

[TedWilliams101]

Well...he did go on to have 10 very successful years. So exactly how right was he?

 

Did you even read the report? When he went to Toronto, his strength and conditioning trainer supplied him with steroids. He is reported to have continued to use steroids through to his time with the Astro's. A coincidence that he became dominant again after taking steroids?

[yankeessuck013]

Well is pretty obvious, b/c of his affiliation with the Sox this was clearly a inside job to bring down the Bronx.

[example1]

I dont think Mitchell was a bad choice at all. While yes' date=' the fact that he does have interest in the Red Sox is somewhat of a conflict, he's too well respected and has too good a reputation for him to lose any credibility. I think Mitchell was a fine choice. On one hand you're keeping it within the hands of someone who is in some aspect within the game of baseball, while still issuing responsibility to a well-respected former congressman. I, personally, am pretty satisfied with the selection of Mitchell, and the job he did, considering he didn't have much cooperation and practically nothing to work with.[/quote']

 

I guess the fact is that he threw a number of innocent players and teams under the bus and let others go because he is involved with the Red Sox.

 

I call BS. The only reason you are skeptical, the ONLY ONE is because of his affiliation with the Sox. Not because of his tremendous record of public service and being a pretty transparent guy. Not because there are allegations out there about the Sox that he conveniently let go. It seems to me that he included just about every piece of information any human could reasonably find on this subject and didn't have any particular axe to grind. The fact that more yankees could be found who used recently than Red Sox is not an indictment of Mitchell, but SHOULD be one of those particular players. Right?

[example1]

How do they interview Radmonski, trainer from the Mets, and not have one Met in the report? That doesn't fit right to me.

 

Andy Pettitte has been my favorite player since I was a kid. I'm curious to see his public response, which according to his agent will be coming after they read the report.

 

Pettitte's citation in the report was when he was rehabbing his elbow, so I want to see his spin on it.

 

I'm not really that broken up about it, but it does suck that he's in it.

 

Wasn't Mo Vaughn a Met for awhile?

[MANNYHOF24]

Ha! So, Dan Duquette was right!

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Roger Clemens

Andy Pettitte

Jason Giambi

Gary Sheffield

David Justice

Jose Canseco

Jason Grimsley

Denny Neagle

Mike Stanton

Chuck Knoblauch

Glenallen Hill

 

....all these guys Yankees??? Did I miss anyone??

[Gom]

The guy who has looked the worst in all this' date=' besides Bonds, is Rafael Palmeiro because he so emphatically denied using and the guy who looked best is Jason Giambi because he was forthcoming about it. There's a lesson there that clearly not many ballplayers have learned[/quote']

Agreed.

The Yankees immediately looked into voiding Giambi's contract, even though outside the allegedly secret grand jury testimony Giambi didn't quite admit to anything--he just apologized for what he'd done without exactly specifying for what he was apologizing.

 

I'd say that ballplayers learned their lesson: Deny everything. :dunno:

This had nothing to do with steroids. It had everything to do with him hitting .230. It was a way for the Yankees to get out of the salary, nothing more or less. If he was hitting .300 with 40 homers, you wouldn't have heard a peep from the Yankees front office.

 

I'm not hurt at all. There have been wispers about Clemens for years so thats no shock and really Pettitte doesnt suprise me either. Both are pals. I think this report has pretty much been regurgitation of information we have heard before.

I agree. As a Yankee fan, I have no problem with Mitchell. I think he's honorable and was a good choice. I do not think he was partial to any team or any one.

 

However, for the most part, this seems like a "regurgitation" of players we already knew. It doesn't seem like there was anyone here who surprised me either way, although I didn't expect Gagne to be on the list.

 

My personal belief? The MAJORITY of players who cheated, the GREAT MAJORITY, got away with it. These are only the dumb ones who paid by credit cards or personal checks.

 

I'm not surprised at Clemens, who up till now, was a medical marvel, and Pettitte, who hangs out with Clemens. I'm surprised players like Ortiz didn't show up, or Schilling, or Posada, or Jeter [who in a secret way, I would have loved to have seen..him and Varitek, lol]. Really....was there any big name that showed up that shocked you? All the big names have been rumored at one time or another before.

 

The only way to fix this is really very simple. However, we don't have a commissioner that has the intestinal fortitude [a.k.a. BALLS] to do this:

 

You get caught with steroids. BANNED FOR LIFE. End of story. None of this three strikes you're out s***. You gamble on the game, you're out. You take steroids, you're out. These players look at it like..."Hey, I've still got two strikes before I'm in trouble". If you want to take steroids, fine. If you get caught, you're out for life.

 

Make the punishment extreme, no one will do the crime. How many players have gambled on baseball? Get the point?

[riverside sluggers]

Haha Gagne, even more reason for me to dislike you

 

My apologies to Dan Duquette, you were right as he was at the twilight of his career... normal health wise that is

 

The Astros are shouldve sensed something was up to do a trade for a speculated player. Also gives more meaning to the Orioles' recent push for a Brian Roberts trade. I was surprised to see his name

[TheKilo]

 

I'm not accussing him of doing it on purpose, I think he would have pursued Red Sox leads if they came to him, but I do think that, on a subconcious level, he was not as aggressive as he could have been when it came to the Sox.

 

I am not happy with the perception this incomplete list will create because I doubt MLB will ever release another report like this.

 

Seriously? I mean, seriously? You think Mitchell was biased towards the Red Sox in these efforts?

 

The Pettitte accusation is nothing new. he's been linked to PEDs before, and Roger isn't that much of a surprise.

 

But being up in arms because Gabe Kapler's not on the damn list? WTF. This is a joke, as is your perception of the work Mitchell has done.

 

Was he a smart hire? No. That shouldn't be the sole judgment off of his work though.

[rician blast]

My personal belief? The MAJORITY of players who cheated, the GREAT MAJORITY, got away with it.

 

Agree 100%.

 

The BALCO investigation turned up certain names. The Mitchell report, largely hinging on two team employees' testimonies, nets a bunch more players, stars and fringe players alike.

 

Are we to believe that there's not someone supplying athletes in Chicago or KC or other cities where few, if any, players have been named?

 

I think it is a virtual guarantee that there are networks of suppliers throughout cities in our country with ties to groups of players. Conversations such as "Hey Joe, where are you getting your stuff...can you put me in touch" have to be extremely common. Some sources are likely better at covering their own tracks, at least so far, so the majority of users have gone unidentified to date.

[Cocos Disciples]

Did you even read the report? When he went to Toronto' date=' his strength and conditioning trainer supplied him with steroids. He is reported to have continued to use steroids through to his time with the Astro's. A coincidence that he became dominant again after taking steroids?[/quote']

 

Do you think he would have fizzled out in the late 1990s? Also, the report does not indicate whether he used past 2001.

[ORS]

I guess the fact is that he threw a number of innocent players and teams under the bus and let others go because he is involved with the Red Sox.

 

I call BS. The only reason you are skeptical, the ONLY ONE is because of his affiliation with the Sox. Not because of his tremendous record of public service and being a pretty transparent guy. Not because there are allegations out there about the Sox that he conveniently let go. It seems to me that he included just about every piece of information any human could reasonably find on this subject and didn't have any particular axe to grind. The fact that more yankees could be found who used recently than Red Sox is not an indictment of Mitchell, but SHOULD be one of those particular players. Right?

Quote the wrong post?

[example1]

Quote the wrong post?

 

Yes. When you have 30seconds at work to quote and respond sometimes that happens. My point still applies to those who question his biases. Personally, I think he should have left no stone unturned in finding every ounce of PED that Gabe Kaplar pumped into his body.

[das11209]

Roger Clemens

Andy Pettitte

Jason Giambi

Gary Sheffield

David Justice

Jose Canseco

Jason Grimsley

Denny Neagle

Mike Stanton

Chuck Knoblauch

Glenallen Hill

 

....all these guys Yankees??? Did I miss anyone??

 

You missed my post about Kevin Brown - and Villone is included as well. They were not kidding when they said it will be a sad day in Bronx.

[ARod2212]

Wasn't Mo Vaughn a Met for awhile?

Allegedly.

 

Just seems weird to me. They're able to implicate a ton of Yankees and no Mets?

 

My take on it is that a huge percentage of players are in fact using, so there's no real shock. Knoblauch made me laugh though.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

You missed my post about Kevin Brown - and Villone is included as well. They were not kidding when they said it will be a sad day in Bronx.

Is it really a sad day in the Bronx when Denny Negale gets busted for roids? A devesting blow to New York would have been if Derek Jeter was linked to roids. Not Kevin Brown (who I have hated for a very long time) or Jason Grimsley.

[yeszir]

Knoblauch made me laugh though.

 

The steroids helped him throw the ball harder over the first baseman's head into the stands.