Mark Buehrle?

[example1]

Boston Herald says we're out of the running

 

Frankly, I can't imagine that any team would give up top tier pitching prospects for a guaranteed 3 months without a negotiating window from a guy who wants to play in St. Louis and will likely sign there. Screw that.

 

Furthermore, the Red Sox enormous lead makes it less likely still that a team like the yankees would trade a Kennedy or Clippard or Chamberlin, which may have happened had the teams been closer.

 

St. Louis would love to have him, but why trade players when you can sign him in the offseason, after your crappy season is finished? The White Sox can't have it both ways. They have about 1-month to either deal him or get nothing for him. If they want to maxamize their return, then they need to help assure that team that he will sign with them as a condition of the deal.

 

The less likely they are to provide that extended contract, the crappier the prospects.

[example1]

Sure he is. But Saltalamacchia is another great prospect' date=' higher regarded, at a much weaker position. The Braves wouldn't take just Bowden for Salty-that's basically what I meant.[/quote']

 

Give it two years of Bowden being healthy and just developing the way he currently is, and this will be much more even. Combine that with the fact that Salty's value is in him remaining a C, the existence of Brian McCann, and it becomes more reasonable.

[Cityofchampions33]

Sure he is. But Saltalamacchia is another great prospect' date=' higher regarded, at a much weaker position. The Braves wouldn't take just Bowden for Salty-that's basically what I meant.[/quote']

 

Agreed, when I said I'd go as far as Bowden, I meant to say anyone below or at his level of talent or below was available.

[ksushi]

I still hope a deal gets done, I think this news that the Sox are out of the running comes as no surprise. Theo is in the catbird seat and he can tell Williams to buzz off, probably about what happened. If he asked for Bucholz and Lester as some reports indicate and refused a 72 hour window... thats just absurd, I would tell him to take a walk too. All indications out of Chicago are that Atlanta and the Sox are the preferred trading partners and there isn't much else out there. I bet Williams re-kindles these talks with a softened stance in a week or so, this how these things work. Bucholz won't be in the deal. No question about that, but something can be worked out I'm sure. Sources from inside the ChiSox are calling the deal to Boston inevitable... It's tough to get leaks out of the Sox these days, so almost all of this is coming from Chicago... tough to discern what is actually going on when you only hear one side... its like hearing one half of someones phone call. You get the general idea, but not the specifics.

 

The Sox could have told them no way, and no one is in any rush right now, so the talks might be at a lull but Williams is no Jim Bowden, he isn't gonna get nothing for this guy and I think the Red Sox are gonna be calling in right up until he is dealt, hard to believe otherwise.

[Mr Crunchy]

this guy may be the final nail in the coffin for the rest of the league

 

i dont know what williams asked for

 

4-4 with a 3.33 era? isnt bad for that bandbox or this league

the beauty of all this as was stated before is we are in the big boy chair,we have the muscle and the prospects and the money

 

there will be more fur flying out of chicago this summer

should get interesting over in the bronx

[papi 74]

I don't think Buehrle will be coming here Kenny Williams is going to ship him to St.Louis According to ESPN. He should thrive over in the NL.

[Cocos Disciples]

According to 670 The Score in Chicago, Buehrle is going to sign an extension with the White Sox for 4 years @ 50 mil, or 12.5 mil per year.

[schillingouttheks]

According to 670 The Score in Chicago' date=' Buehrle is going to sign an extension with the White Sox for 4 years @ 50 mil, or 12.5 mil per year.[/quote']

 

That could be a very good thing for us.

[Cocos Disciples]

Hows that?

[schillingouttheks]

The first step in getting him to come here was for him to sign an extension so we could be guaranteed more than a 3-month rental. Sure, he could be going to St. Louis as well, but the ChiSox extending him makes it more likely that they're looking to deal him.

[Cocos Disciples]

The first step in getting him to come here was for him to sign an extension so we could be guaranteed more than a 3-month rental. Sure' date=' he could be going to St. Louis as well, but the ChiSox extending him makes it more likely that they're looking to deal him.[/quote']

 

Interesting. My first reaction was that he was off the block. I suppose it makes Buehrle more attractive to possible trade partners due to, as you said, the fact that it would not be a rental.

[thee sox]

The first step in getting him to come here was for him to sign an extension so we could be guaranteed more than a 3-month rental. Sure' date=' he could be going to St. Louis as well, but the ChiSox extending him makes it more likely that they're looking to deal him.[/quote']

 

If they sign him, he's going to stay. The only reason there are intentions of trading him are because they're not sure if they can re-sign him. They won't sign him to that complete steal of a contract, and then trade him. If that's true, we better be getting Buccholz and Ellsbury, but it's not, so you can calm down.

 

They would give you a window to sign, not sign and trade...you never see that in the baseball.

[schillingouttheks]

If they sign him' date=' he's going to stay. The only reason there are intentions of trading him are because they're not sure if they [i']can[/i] re-sign him. They won't sign him to that complete steal of a contract, and then trade him. If that's true, we better be getting Buccholz and Ellsbury, but it's not, so you can calm down.

 

They would give you a window to sign, not sign and trade...you never see that in the baseball.

 

Um, you can chill. I was never not calm.

 

If you're going to ask for even Buchholz, you'll get hung up on. The kid is ready to make an impact now. He will not be part of a trade. Maybe Ellsbury, but not Buchholz. Nevermind both of them.

 

When Kenny Williams sees that his team needs a complete change (because they're not going anywhere), he'll be a little less stubborn than he came off as.

[thee sox]

Um' date=' you can chill. I was never not calm.[/quote']

 

I never said you were not calm, but at the same time, I mentioned Buchholz and Ellsbury, so I figured it would fire you up a little.

 

If you're going to ask for even Buchholz, you'll get hung up on. The kid is ready to make an impact now. He will not be part of a trade. Maybe Ellsbury, but not Buchholz. Nevermind both of them.

 

If he's ready to make an impact now, then why has Tavarez been starting? You better believe it's going to take a ton for a proven veteran lefty (only 28, BTW), under contract for 4 years at under market value. Yes, that's top prospects...if you're not willing to pay, oh well...there are other teams that will (including, I think, the Yanks).

 

When Kenny Williams sees that his team needs a complete change (because they're not going anywhere), he'll be a little less stubborn than he came off as.

 

We have other pieces that can be traded. Javy Vazquez is signed for the next 3 years at market value, Dye can net some return, Thome, Crede will be traded next year. It's not like Buehrle is the only guy worth a s*** on this team. When you sign your best pitcher under market value, you don't trade him; you build around him.

[Metropolitan Cowboy]

He is off the market. Chicago is going to ink him to a 5 year 60 million dollar deal.

[schillingouttheks]

I never said you were not calm' date=' but at the same time, I mentioned Buchholz [i']and[/i] Ellsbury, so I figured it would fire you up a little.

 

Haha, gotcha. Even though I still didn't get fired up...

 

If he's ready to make an impact now' date=' then why has Tavarez been starting? You better believe it's going to take a ton for a proven veteran lefty (only 28, BTW), under contract for 4 years at [i']under[/i] market value. Yes, that's top prospects...if you're not willing to pay, oh well...there are other teams that will (including, I think, the Yanks).

 

Tavarez is still starting because he's far and away exceeded any expectations we could have had for him. To tell the truth, I'm not sure why Buchholz is still sitting in AA while raping the competition, but he's ready to contribute at the major league level.

 

We have other pieces that can be traded. Javy Vazquez is signed for the next 3 years at market value' date=' Dye can net some return, Thome, Crede will be traded next year. It's not like Buehrle is the only guy worth a s*** on this team. When you sign your best pitcher under market value, you don't trade him; you build around him.[/quote']

 

This is a fair statement. I guess saying that extending Buehrle made it more likely that the ChiSox are willing to trade him was a bit too far. However, the first step in composing a deal for Buehrle was to get him to sign an extension so that the team that received him in a trade would not be parting with top prospects for a 3-month rental. Of the players you listed, Buehrle will get you the most amount of talent in return because of his age and the fact that he's a lefty with a lot of experience...obviously, those are pretty rare.

 

Keep in mind that the Red Sox have been doing just fine recently. It's the ChiSox that would love to get something out of this. I'd be willing to part with Bowden, Lowrie, and Murphy/Moss for Buehrle..and the ChiSox should probably jump on that. Bowden's a stud 20-year-old pitcher who hits 95 and has a killer curve...it would suck to give him up, but for Buehrle I'd do it. As the trade deadline approaches, it would be in Williams' best interest to ship Buehrle out as soon as he can. When you're dealing with a team like the Red Sox that has been the best team in the MLB for most of the season, the return you'll get as the deadline approaches declines. Sure, the ChiSox don't have to trade Buehrle, but if they're truly interested in getting some young players and start to re-build, Williams should jump on an offer like the one I explained at the beginning of this paragraph. By extending Buehrle, Williams increased the value of prospects he'd get back for Buehrle.

[schillingouttheks]

He is off the market. Chicago is going to ink him to a 5 year 60 million dollar deal.

 

Again, as I said, this could also mean that they're getting ready to ship him out. The first step of a possible deal for Buehrle was to extend him. They just did that.

[example1]

I never said you were not calm' date=' but at the same time, I mentioned Buchholz [i']and[/i] Ellsbury, so I figured it would fire you up a little.

 

 

 

If he's ready to make an impact now, then why has Tavarez been starting? You better believe it's going to take a ton for a proven veteran lefty (only 28, BTW), under contract for 4 years at under market value. Yes, that's top prospects...if you're not willing to pay, oh well...there are other teams that will (including, I think, the Yanks).

 

 

 

We have other pieces that can be traded. Javy Vazquez is signed for the next 3 years at market value, Dye can net some return, Thome, Crede will be traded next year. It's not like Buehrle is the only guy worth a s*** on this team. When you sign your best pitcher under market value, you don't trade him; you build around him.

 

 

Dude, the Red Sox are not the desperate ones here. They aren't the ones talking about trading one of their best pitchers for prospects. That's your team that is doing that because as it stands now they don't have a chance.

 

Even JOKING about getting Ellsbury and Buchholz is laughable. Most of us wouldn't give ONE of those guys to get your soft tossing middle-of-the-rotation lefty.

 

I think there is a VERY good chance Buerhle gets dealed with this deal in place. There is nothing that says that he wouldn't sign this deal with the condition that he gets traded, or with the understanding that he gets traded.

[Beckett95]

He is off the market. Chicago is going to ink him to a 5 year 60 million dollar deal.

 

4 years 50 million

[example1]

4 years 50 million

 

12.5 a year is pretty reasonable.

[Metropolitan Cowboy]

Again' date=' as I said, this could also mean that they're getting ready to ship him out. The first step of a possible deal for Buehrle was to extend him. They just did that.[/quote']

 

Why would they ink him to a new deal just to trade him? He has more trade value as a trade piece if he is going to be a FA. Certain teams looking for a rental will now back off.

[schillingouttheks]

Why would they ink him to a new deal just to trade him? He has more trade value as a trade piece if he is going to be a FA. Certain teams looking for a rental will now back off.

 

If they trade him, they let the new team take on the contract. Who cares who extends him if the outcome's the same? The Red Sox would like to have him for this year and beyond... which is why they asked that he be extended as a condition of the deal.

 

The White Sox will get more valuable prospects in return now that they extended him. If it were a 3-month rental, they wouldn't have gotten the prospects that they now can get.

[example1]

If they trade him, they let the new team take on the contract. Who cares who extends him if the outcome's the same? The Red Sox would like to have him for this year and beyond... which is why they asked that he be extended as a condition of the deal.

 

The White Sox will get more valuable prospects in return now that they extended him. If it were a 3-month rental, they wouldn't have gotten the prospects that they now can get.

 

Agreed. I'm not sayign this deal is necessarily going to get done, but this seems like the ideal situaiton to make it happen.

[ksushi]

Mark Buehrle's agent is saying now that the extension talks are bunk and there is nothing to it. They sent someone to talk to Buehrle but they shot down the offer I guess...

 

Who knows if he goes to the Sox, I still think it can happen, but I definitely think he is leaving the south side.

[a700hitter]

The first step in getting him to come here was for him to sign an extension so we could be guaranteed more than a 3-month rental. Sure' date=' he could be going to St. Louis as well, but the ChiSox extending him makes it more likely that they're looking to deal him.[/quote']This was my initial reaction. Of course, if he is signed for multiple years, he will cost more.

[schillingouttheks]

This was my initial reaction. Of course' date=' if he is signed for multiple years, he will cost more.[/quote']

 

Yes, but the White Sox never would have even sniffed A Bowden-esque pitcher if Buehrle was going to be a 3-month rental. We planned on having him extended, and thereby giving the White Sox more value in prospects anyway.

 

I still stand by my first take on the situation.

[Mr Crunchy]

id say this makes him more valuable

if the sox or say the mets are willing to move front line prospects then it makes sense that this guy is secured for the future

 

if your minny or milwaukee that may slow you down

but the large market teams would consider this a better option

[rician blast]

Problem with Beuhrle considering an extension is that if they get close to a deal but DON'T pull it off, it sort of sets a target on his $ if he ends up going the FA route.

 

It's not like no other teams will know the $ that were on the table in any proposed deal.

 

That s*** would leak out faster than the drool from my mouth if Jessica Biel's bare ass were hovering 10" from my face.

[ksushi]

^ I nominate this for worst post ever. eh?

[BSN07]

Problem with Beuhrle considering an extension is that if they get close to a deal but DON'T pull it off, it sort of sets a target on his $ if he ends up going the FA route.

 

It's not like no other teams will know the $ that were on the table in any proposed deal.

 

That s*** would leak out faster than the drool from my mouth if Jessica Biel's bare ass were hovering 10" from my face.

 

That wouldn't be the only thing leaking from me if Jessica Biel's bare ass was dancing infront of me...:thumbsup: