Mark Buehrle?

[seabeachfred]

I have no interest in either Zambrano or Sabathia.

 

So you are for the Buehrle trade. Now who do you give up and who do you do not give up? Those are my sticking points as well. No Bucholz or Ellsbury.

[ksushi]

I don't like Zambrano' date=' either, but why not Sabathia?[/quote']

 

Weight issues, durability issues. I don't think he is the kind of guy who looks to hold up long term and be durable year in year out.

[ksushi]

So you are for the Buehrle trade. Now who do you give up and who do you do not give up? Those are my sticking points as well. No Bucholz or Ellsbury.

 

 

Guys I do not give up no matter what: Bucholz, Lars Anderson. Maybe Ellsbury, but I think I would do Ellsbury in a straight up deal for Buehrle, but I don't think I would put anyone else in the deal. That won't happen though.

 

I would give up: Bowden, Lester, Hansen, Delcarmen, Moss, Murphy, Kottaras, or Lowrie. Of course not all of these guys. One of Lester or Bowden, to go with either Hansen, Delcarmen or Moss and as a throw in the third player could be picked from either Murphy, Kottaras, or Lowrie although I am MUCH higher on Lowrie than I ever have been before. A .400 OBP at every level and a .300+ BA at pretty much every level he reminds me a lot of pedroia with a better eye and better glove. I might even start to think about ruling him out in any trade too just because of his low trade value and his high cieling.

[CrespoBlows]

Weight issues' date=' durability issues. I don't think he is the kind of guy who looks to hold up long term and be durable year in year out.[/quote']

 

He's made at least 28 starts in every single one of his seasons. I don't think he has a durability issue.

[jacksonianmarch]

He's made at least 28 starts in every single one of his seasons. I don't think he has a durability issue.

 

he is always mildly dinged up every season though. Kinda like Beckett.

[jacksonianmarch]

Now that I think about it, a rotation of Buerhle, DMats and Beckett would f***ing suck on my end. Hopefully Kennedy could make the deal get done and we can sign this guy.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

Per 7 News Boston

 

The Red Sox and White Sox are in serious negotiations now for Buehrle. There are 2 sticking points

 

*The White Sox are intent on getting either Lester or Bucholz

*They might not approve of Boston negotiating a contract extension with Buehrle when the trade is being processed

 

As much as I would hate to see him, Id say Sox should send Lester to Chicago (moreso if Buehrle is locked up long term). BoSox still get a lefty pitcher who's been nothing but solid in the AL and the playoffs. And as well as the fact they still keep probably the top pitching prospect in the minors, Clay Bucholz

 

 

werd. :thumbsup:

 

 

if buchholz has the greater upside, its a no-brainer...lester may have endeared himself to the RSN, but business is business, and nothing short of the pennant will be a huge disapointment. if schill wasn't struggling, this wouldnt be a huge priority, and since all signs point to him not returning, it could open up a spot for buehrle if we wants to remain with a competitor.

 

i just dunno. something tells me the yanks might be last minute players for him... he seems like someone they would go after pretty hard, especially since they could use all the pitching help they could get. (not to mention he'd most likely be a front of the rotation guy for them with the sub-par year mussina is having.)

[jacksonianmarch]

werd. :thumbsup:

 

 

if buchholz has the greater upside, its a no-brainer...lester may have endeared himself to the RSN, but business is business, and nothing short of the pennant will be a huge disapointment. if schill wasn't struggling, this wouldnt be a huge priority, and since all signs point to him not returning, it could open up a spot for buehrle if we wants to remain with a competitor.

 

i just dunno. something tells me the yanks might be last minute players for him... he seems like someone they would go after pretty hard, especially since they could use all the pitching help they could get. (not to mention he'd most likely be a front of the rotation guy for them with the sub-par year mussina is having.)

 

Buerhle would be the sox #2 this season if they acquired him. He'd either be the ace or the 2 in NY. He's a very solid pitcher. I hope we enter the fray so long as we dont deal off any of the power pitchers and so long as we can sign him long term.

[jacksonianmarch]

For reference, Buehrle's stats over the pas 6 seasons...

 

230IP 3.80ERA .266BAA 2.57K/BB with a W/L of 101-70 and a 1.25WHIP.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

with the year wang is having for you guys, i'd say he's your number one right now....but buehrle would def. be no worse than #2. maybe its seeing him all these years in a chi-sox uni, but i really see him wearing pinstripes before he puts on a bosox jersey, (crosses fingers) the interesting thing would be what cashman would give up to get him.

[jacksonianmarch]

with the year wang is having for you guys' date=' i'd say he's your number one right now....but buehrle would def. be no worse than #2. maybe its seeing him all these years in a chi-sox uni, but i really see him wearing pinstripes before he puts on a bosox jersey, (crosses fingers) the interesting thing would be what cashman would give up to get him.[/quote']

 

It sounds like Kenny Williams has asked for and been denied on Chamberlain, Kennedy and Hughes. I'd agree with Hughes and Chamberlain. Not sure about Kennedy. Kennedy sounds like he is a righty version of Buehrle, although Kennedy seems to strike more guys out. Buehrle is young enough that, provided he signs, could really be a nice fit.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

Weight issues' date=' durability issues. I don't think he is the kind of guy who looks to hold up long term and be durable year in year out.[/quote']

 

cleveland would disagree with you.... but it won't matter in the long run since he's their ace, and zambrano is the cubs #1... and unless they are desperate to leave no matter what, you can bet neither will join the bosox anytime soon.

[seabeachfred]

Guys I do not give up no matter what: Bucholz, Lars Anderson. Maybe Ellsbury, but I think I would do Ellsbury in a straight up deal for Buehrle, but I don't think I would put anyone else in the deal. That won't happen though.

 

I would give up: Bowden, Lester, Hansen, Delcarmen, Moss, Murphy, Kottaras, or Lowrie. Of course not all of these guys. One of Lester or Bowden, to go with either Hansen, Delcarmen or Moss and as a throw in the third player could be picked from either Murphy, Kottaras, or Lowrie although I am MUCH higher on Lowrie than I ever have been before. A .400 OBP at every level and a .300+ BA at pretty much every level he reminds me a lot of pedroia with a better eye and better glove. I might even start to think about ruling him out in any trade too just because of his low trade value and his high cieling.

 

Hold the mayo on Lowrie. We have a Grand Canyon hole at SS and he is one guy who might be able to plug that up for us in a year or two, that is, if they still have him playing short. Nothing flashy, but solid and a very smart ballplayer who switch hits. I'm surprised you would give up Ellsbury. No way Jose would I do that because it means we have to endure Crisp at leadoff for another few years. No way. Ellsbury means we can trade Coco and get something solid for him next season, maybe a good reliever and a prospect.

 

How's this? We trade them Bowden, Hansen, Moss and Crisp and we get Buehrle and Konerko. We solve our first base problem for the next few years, bring Ellsbury up to play centerfield and lead off and get a good lefty for our rotation. I would have included Kotteras but I cannot stomach the thought of having Mirabelli around next season. Besides, if we cannot trade Crisp this time around we might be able to get him to the Braves for Jarrod Salatamacchia, a very strong hitting catcher---and we will need one of them very soon.

[MANNYHOF24]

cleveland would disagree with you.... but it won't matter in the long run since he's their ace' date=' and zambrano is the cubs #1... and unless they are desperate to leave no matter what, you can bet neither will join the bosox anytime soon.[/quote']

 

Zambrano is a possibility because he is not getting resigned by the cubs until he tests the FA waters. If the Sox wanted they could make a run at him, and probably get him. I don't think the Sox would want to dish out that kind of cash to a pitcher who could easily break down though.

[MANNYHOF24]

Hold the mayo on Lowrie. We have a Grand Canyon hole at SS and he is one guy who might be able to plug that up for us in a year or two, that is, if they still have him playing short. Nothing flashy, but solid and a very smart ballplayer who switch hits. I'm surprised you would give up Ellsbury. No way Jose would I do that because it means we have to endure Crisp at leadoff for another few years. No way. Ellsbury means we can trade Coco and get something solid for him next season, maybe a good reliever and a prospect.

 

How's this? We trade them Bowden, Hansen, Moss and Crisp and we get Buehrle and Konerko. We solve our first base problem for the next few years, bring Ellsbury up to play centerfield and lead off and get a good lefty for our rotation. I would have included Kotteras but I cannot stomach the thought of having Mirabelli around next season. Besides, if we cannot trade Crisp this time around we might be able to get him to the Braves for Jarrod Salatamacchia, a very strong hitting catcher---and we will need one of them very soon.

 

What happens to Youk or Lowell? Why the hell would the braves trade Saltamacchia for Crisp? Are you delusional?

[jacksonianmarch]

fred, I am disappointed. That is an awful offer for the white sox.

 

EDIT: and the braves

[KeepTheFaith1229]

How's this? We trade them Bowden' date=' Hansen, Moss and Crisp and we get Buehrle and Konerko. We solve our first base problem for the next few years, bring Ellsbury up to play centerfield and lead off and get a good lefty for our rotation. I would have included Kotteras but I cannot stomach the thought of having Mirabelli around next season. Besides, if we cannot trade Crisp this time around we might be able to get him to the Braves for Jarrod Salatamacchia, a very strong hitting catcher---and we will need one of them very soon.[/quote']

 

....

 

First of all, there's no way Chicago trades us their best pitcher as well as their best hitter without acquiring one of Buccholz, Lester or Ellsbury.

 

Since when do we have a first base problem anyway? Kevin Youkilis is 28 years old and having a monster year.

 

Lastly, I cannot believe you think Atlanta would trade Salty for Coco Crisp. Holy damn.

[CrespoBlows]

How's this? We trade them Bowden, Hansen, Moss and Crisp and we get Buehrle and Konerko. We solve our first base problem for the next few years, bring Ellsbury up to play centerfield and lead off and get a good lefty for our rotation. I would have included Kotteras but I cannot stomach the thought of having Mirabelli around next season. Besides, if we cannot trade Crisp this time around we might be able to get him to the Braves for Jarrod Salatamacchia, a very strong hitting catcher---and we will need one of them very soon.

 

lol wut? letz traid crisp 4 joe mauer lol wut a trade.

 

http://www.digitallyarranged.com/images/Stupidity.jpg

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Holla.

[seabeachfred]

What happens to Youk or Lowell? Why the hell would the braves trade Saltamacchia for Crisp? Are you delusional?

 

Delusional hell MANNYHOF. You live in the East I presume and all the talk I here back there says the Red Sox are going to let Lowell walk. Is that what you hear, too? If so we need either a first baseman or third baseman. Youk moves to third and we get a right hand hitting power hitter to play that position. Frankly I don't think we'll be able to swing such a trade but it sounded good to me when I proposed it. Delusional??? Well, my Linda thinks I'm more than that when it comes to the Red Sox.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Lester was HORRIBLE tonight, not sure what that does with this trade but he did not have it tonight

 

And I dont like how he was left in there to get to 100 pitches, he obviously didnt have it and was left in there to get crushed.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Where did you hear that Lowell will walk...?

[CrespoBlows]

Delusional hell MANNYHOF. You live in the East I presume and all the talk I here back there says the Red Sox are going to let Lowell walk. Is that what you hear' date=' too? If so we need either a first baseman or third baseman. Youk moves to third and we get a right hand hitting power hitter to play that position. Frankly I don't think we'll be able to swing such a trade but it sounded good to me when I proposed it. Delusional??? Well, my Linda thinks I'm more than that when it comes to the Red Sox.[/quote']

 

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[seabeachfred]

fred, I am disappointed. That is an awful offer for the white sox.

 

EDIT: and the braves

 

Just throwing out ideas Jackson. As far as Salatamacchia, they Braves have no place to put him. They signed McCann to a long term contract earlier this year, and they have Thormon as their first baseman. Jarrod is not that speedy that he can play the outfield. As for the White Sox, I don't know what kind of housecleaning Williams is talking about, a small or large one. If they are rebuilding Konerko does not do them a while hell of a lot of good. We may have to sweeten the pot, but, again, I said in a previous post that the Sox would probably not include him in such a trade even I think this would really help our team. As for Crisp, the Braves are not going to sing Jones in the off season, no way. They will need someone to play out there and Coco had a blowout series there last week. Hell, if you have better ideas, tell me. I'm all ears.

[seabeachfred]

....

 

First of all, there's no way Chicago trades us their best pitcher as well as their best hitter without acquiring one of Buccholz, Lester or Ellsbury.

 

Since when do we have a first base problem anyway? Kevin Youkilis is 28 years old and having a monster year.

 

Lastly, I cannot believe you think Atlanta would trade Salty for Coco Crisp. Holy damn.

 

You have better trade ideas? Fine, let me hear them. I'm all ears. I was throwing out my ideas of how we can improve the team. Youk can move to third base next year which he still can play very well as I saw this past Friday. The Boston papers and numerous boards, including this one have hinted that the Red Sox will not resign Lowell to a contract after this season. I would like him back but all I keep hearing is that the Red Sox are not interested in a long term contract for the guy.

[seabeachfred]

Where did you hear that Lowell will walk...?

 

Not that Lowell will walk but the Red Sox will not resign him. I read something on his board on that score, and Dirt Dogs has been hinting at that for the past three months. Again, I would love to have Lowell resigned and keep Youk at first, but so far we haven't heard a thing about the Sox wanting to keep Mike in our stable for the next three years.

 

Again, with Crisp---he had a blowout series with the Braves and they already have a young catcher they signed to a long term contract. I think it would be in our best interests to try and get a young hitting catcher like Jarrod Salatamacchia. It might take more than Crisp but they are going to need a CF next year because they will not resign Jones for the money he wants. Perhaps we can add something to the trade if the Braves request it. Just thinking out loud. What's your opinion?

[example1]

It all depends on what Lowell wants to stay at 3B for the Sox. if he likes the team and would sign a decent contract then I could see them keeping him. If he wants what he has currently they will not. Youkilis gives them options, as they would just need to sign the best 3B or 1B available.

 

I would quickly trade Lester for Buehrle. I like Lester and think he's a great 'spec. At the same time I have never really like Buehrle. He bores me as a pitcher; he's like all the other soft tossing lefties: good control, not a lot of K's, effective ERA. Only, of the past 5 years or so, he's the best. And he's only 28. The guy started the All-Star game in 2005 for crying out loud. If the Sox think they can sign him to 4 years with an option then they should pull the trigger for sure.

 

I wouldn't let the White Sox get the equivalent of potential-ace value for him, however. The Josh Beckett deal (Hanley and Anibel PLUS taking Lowell's salary) was potential-ace value. Buehrle is good, but he doesn't have anything close to what Beckett does in terms of stuff. He has more poise and experience, but he doesn't have Beckett's ability to dominante and intimidate.

 

Lester and Moss should get it done.

[example1]

Not that Lowell will walk but the Red Sox will not resign him. I read something on his board on that score' date=' and Dirt Dogs has been hinting at that for the past three months. Again, I would love to have Lowell resigned and keep Youk at first, but so far we haven't heard a thing about the Sox wanting to keep Mike in our stable for the next three years.[/quote']

 

I haven't heard alternatives either. Lowell could be a good trade candidate at the deadline, as he is bound to regress to his mean and he has highest possible value right now (and in the next month). In any case, I haven't heard or seen who the 3B alternatives are who are available next year. The Sox don't have any obvious 3B or 1B options in the minors (aside from Aaron Bates, who is 23 and only in high-A, though very promising).

 

KSushi, I would add Bates to the list of Buchholz, and Anderson of untradeables. Although, for personal reasons I would add Ellsbury to that list (I live in Oregon and he was a star at Oregon state--I also love his style of play and htink he would be a crowd favorite/star for a decade). I think the Sox may decide between Anderson and Bates in the next year or two and then deal the other. They both have tremendous upsides and skills, and their difference in skills (with Anderson probably the higher prospect) is counteracted by the fact that Anderson could probably get you more in a trade. :dunno:

 

Again, with Crisp---he had a blowout series with the Braves and they already have a young catcher they signed to a long term contract. I think it would be in our best interests to try and get a young hitting catcher like Jarrod Salatamacchia. It might take more than Crisp but they are going to need a CF next year because they will not resign Jones for the money he wants. Perhaps we can add something to the trade if the Braves request it. Just thinking out loud. What's your opinion?

 

I love the optimism and hope for Salatamacchia. I think the Sox should get him if they can (I think anyone on this board would agree with that statement) but I'm not very confident that it will be possible for a guy like Crisp. Of course, being able to get established MLB players like Renteria and Crisp from the sox probably seems pretty good for a team that recently started 9 home-grown players. In other words, they probably don't have the connection to the home-grown talent that Sox fans would.

 

Before he was traded to San Diego I was hoping the Sox would figure out a way to sign Michael Barrett. Perhaps they still will, but I think they need to play any catcher resigning carefully with Tek getting clsoer to the end of his contract and getting older. He shouldn't have a replacement who can kick him out of the way, but young talent at catcher is pretty hard to find (hence all the catchers the sox drafted this year). Anyway, there should be an option out there someplace.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Just throwing out ideas Jackson. As far as Salatamacchia' date=' they Braves have no place to put him. They signed McCann to a long term contract earlier this year, and they have Thormon as their first baseman. Jarrod is not that speedy that he can play the outfield. As for the White Sox, I don't know what kind of housecleaning Williams is talking about, a small or large one. If they are rebuilding Konerko does not do them a while hell of a lot of good. We may have to sweeten the pot, but, again, I said in a previous post that the Sox would probably not include him in such a trade even I think this would really help our team. As for Crisp, the Braves are not going to sing Jones in the off season, no way. They will need someone to play out there and Coco had a blowout series there last week. Hell, if you have better ideas, tell me. I'm all ears.[/quote']

 

Thorman sucks. And you would absolutely have to add more to get Konerko as well, not like we even need Konerko.

 

You have better trade ideas? Fine, let me hear them. I'm all ears. I was throwing out my ideas of how we can improve the team. Youk can move to third base next year which he still can play very well as I saw this past Friday. The Boston papers and numerous boards, including this one have hinted that the Red Sox will not resign Lowell to a contract after this season. I would like him back but all I keep hearing is that the Red Sox are not interested in a long term contract for the guy.

 

I don't have "better ideas", I'm just pointing out that yours are completely unrealistic.

 

Again, with Crisp---he had a blowout series with the Braves and they already have a young catcher they signed to a long term contract. I think it would be in our best interests to try and get a young hitting catcher like Jarrod Salatamacchia. It might take more than Crisp but they are going to need a CF next year because they will not resign Jones for the money he wants. Perhaps we can add something to the trade if the Braves request it. Just thinking out loud. What's your opinion?

 

It might take more than Crisp? Really? You think? Jarrod Saltalamacchia is nearly untouchable, I don't think they'll trade him for Crisp and change.

 

GAH

[a700hitter]

If we could lock up Buerhle long term as part of the trade, I 'd be willing to part with anyone in the minors other than Bucholz or Ellsbury. I just don't think they can get a long term deal signed. Who is Buerhle's agent?