Wily Mo Pena

[jacksonianmarch]

wow' date=' he did something just about every major league player, including NL pitchers, do in every atbat... It was one at bat for him... not the norm...[/quote']

 

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!

[Mr Crunchy]

if we are saluting pena's offensive contributions last night we are really grapsing at straws

when cabrerra starts going bad he misses the strike zone by feet,not inches

 

pena thru today

25abs 14ks 1hr 1rbi .120

on pace for 168k's over 300abs

but he plays a solid outfield doesnt he??

my god

has their even been a 5tool cancer like this??

how much longer should this team and us fans be punished for theos f*** up??

 

was that arroyo going 7 with 1 earned against the world champs last nite??

unfuking believable

[BSN07]

I think he will be packaged for a BP arm around the deadline honestly...

 

Im not really sure I were I stand on Cerrano, I see the potential that alot of people talk about, but then again there is a reason I calm him Pedro Cerrano...

[Mr Crunchy]

theres nothing to stand on with pena

he isnt hitting kate holmes weight

[jacksonianmarch]

you really love that trade dont you crunch.

[BSN07]

It just never made much sense to me. I think they were going to put him in RF and platoon with Nixon and be his replacement this year, but then they saw what a crappy RF he made in Fenway, they then realized he couldnt be the future RF so they went and got Drew. Now with no options they can't stick him in AAA or AA were he belongs, because someone is desperate enough to claim him off waivers. Now he has to wait until someone needs a day off to get any AB's and that won't usually help your swing. So he looks like a tool on most night which has killed his trade value. So if they trade him it will be $.50 on the $1 at best, so they will ride it out and keep as the 4th OF until maybe the TDL and send him off for maybe a MR if they need it, or he will continue to ride the pine until Manny departs and then they will probaly try to hide his Defensives woes in LF...

[BSN07]

But with Crispm out and looking like he might head to the DL, Cerrano should get in some games to show if he can improve on his horrid start...

[seabeachfred]

If someone claims Wily off waivers and manages to sneak him past waivers on an attempt to send him to AAA, then he could rejuvenate his career.

 

I have a proposal for you.

 

What would you say if the Pirates claimed Wily off waivers next week, demoted him to AAA and by the start of next yr he is tearing the cover off the ball. Would you be ripping theo?

 

No I wouldn't Jackson. He is simply a pathetic fit for the Red Sox. I just want him out of our lineup, out of our dugout and out of town. POST HASTE!!!!!

[seabeachfred]

WMP 0-4 today with 1BB' date=' 3K. He's now hitting .120 He might be below .100 by the end of the week...[/quote']

 

What's amazing Ted is that we still have people on this board who stubbornly hold out hope for this bum. Let the guy his a homer in a meaningless situation and the sky will light up with glowing hosannas from the pro Wily Mo camp. Simply put the guy is Will NoMo; he cannot hit a curve, cannot track a fly ball consistently and is a waste of a ballplayer for us. I honestly would pay his way off the team with a free bus ticket if we could just get rid of the guy. He sucks, stinks, smells, simply pathetic.

[seabeachfred]

wow' date=' he did something just about every major league player, including NL pitchers, do in every atbat... It was one at bat for him... not the norm...[/quote']

 

He did get a walk Ted so he finally did something well. Of course, what the pro Pena people still refuse to acknowledge is what he hasn't done, will never do as long as he wears a Red Sox uniform. Most any player would have taken those pitches; it is amazing Pena did, though. Amazing that there are still those who cling to the false hope that this guy is going to be something. The only something he is going to be is an unemployed player as soon as the GM's around baseball get the stars out of their eyes.

[seabeachfred]

if we are saluting pena's offensive contributions last night we are really grapsing at straws

when cabrerra starts going bad he misses the strike zone by feet,not inches

 

pena thru today

25abs 14ks 1hr 1rbi .120

on pace for 168k's over 300abs

but he plays a solid outfield doesnt he??

my god

has their even been a 5tool cancer like this??

how much longer should this team and us fans be punished for theos f*** up??

 

was that arroyo going 7 with 1 earned against the world champs last nite??

unfuking believable

 

Don't confuse the Wily Mo lovers with facts Crunch. It would burst their balloon. You said it well; how much longer should this team (and its fans) be punished for Theo's f*** up? Apparently until some kicks Epstein in the ass and tells him to get rid of this guy.

[seabeachfred]

I think he will be packaged for a BP arm around the deadline honestly...

 

Im not really sure I were I stand on Cerrano, I see the potential that alot of people talk about, but then again there is a reason I calm him Pedro Cerrano...

 

BoNat, if you are still not sure where you stand with Cerrano you are never going to admit that this guy is waste of a roster space. What more proof do you need. He has once again regressed and regressed badly. Every pitcher knows how to get him out and he has become almost an automatic striikeout. Potential? The most overused and disgusting word in sports. He doesn't have it, can't hit, can't field, lousy work ethic, and dumb as all outdoors.

[BSN07]

Or until he ups his trade value a little so that we are not getting rock bottom price for him...

[seabeachfred]

It just never made much sense to me. I think they were going to put him in RF and platoon with Nixon and be his replacement this year' date=' but then they saw what a crappy RF he made in Fenway, they then realized he couldnt be the future RF so they went and got Drew. Now with no options they can't stick him in AAA or AA were he belongs, because someone is desperate enough to claim him off waivers. Now he has to wait until someone needs a day off to get any AB's and that won't usually help your swing. So he looks like a tool on most night which has killed his trade value. So if they trade him it will be $.50 on the $1 at best, so they will ride it out and keep as the 4th OF until maybe the TDL and send him off for maybe a MR if they need it, or he will continue to ride the pine until Manny departs and then they will probaly try to hide his Defensives woes in LF...[/quote']

 

HIDE HIS DEFENSIVE WOES IN LEFT FIELD?????? BoNat, are f***in' out of your mind? You want this guy taking Manny's place in LF in two years? You think he is going to produce like a left fielder is supposed to? You think he will eventually learn how to play the outfield? And what if they go on the road and he has to play in different ballparks in LF? Do you think he is finally going to learn to hit the breaking ball? Man on man, my friend, what do they have in the water where you live? The guy is a bum, can't you see that by now? What more proof to you need?

[BSN07]

HIDE HIS DEFENSIVE WOES IN LEFT FIELD?????? BoNat' date=' are f***in' out of your mind? You want this guy taking Manny's place in LF in two years? You think he is going to produce like a left fielder is supposed to? You think he will eventually learn how to play the outfield? And what if they go on the road and he has to play in different ballparks in LF? Do you think he is finally going to learn to hit the breaking ball? Man on man, my friend, what do they have in the water where you live? The guy is a bum, can't you see that by now? [b']What more proof to you need[/b]?

 

Possibly the candlestick holder from the library or maybe the pipe wrench in the kitchen?:thumbsup:

 

I do see that hes is a bum at this point in time, but when Manny first got to Boston his D was laughable at best( not saying at all Cerrano is a Manny) But some guys are just late bloomers. Hes 25, he will eventually learn that if he wants to play baseball he cant chase pussy all winter and not train his skills. Right now hes not that expensive, so why not have him as the 4th OF? How many teams 4th OF are that great anyway?:dunno: Hes going to get some PT for the next couple weeks if Coco hits the DL, so lets see were hes at then. If we trade him now we get soggy crap sanwiches in return, if we wait and see what happens maybe we will beable to get crap snadwiches for him, atleast they won´t be soggy...

 

 

All I know is the worst thing for a guy trying to find the hole in his swing is to not see live pitching on a regular basis, And he doesn´t play a half bad CF, hes horrible in RF and LF tho...

[ORS]

The '07 version of WMP is indefensible. I don't want to see that version get another day of playing time. He's doing nothing with the bat, so they might as well call up a glove if Coco goes DL. What I don't understand is those that didn't like the '06 version. Sure he had his warts, but he was a definite offensive contributor, enough so to the point of making his (less frequent than now) defensive gaffes tolerable.

[seabeachfred]

Possibly the candlestick holder from the library or maybe the pipe wrench in the kitchen?:thumbsup:

 

I do see that hes is a bum at this point in time, but when Manny first got to Boston his D was laughable at best( not saying at all Cerrano is a Manny) But some guys are just late bloomers. Hes 25, he will eventually learn that if he wants to play baseball he cant chase pussy all winter and not train his skills. Right now hes not that expensive, so why not have him as the 4th OF? How many teams 4th OF are that great anyway?:dunno: Hes going to get some PT for the next couple weeks if Coco hits the DL, so lets see were hes at then. If we trade him now we get soggy crap sanwiches in return, if we wait and see what happens maybe we will beable to get crap snadwiches for him, atleast they won?t be soggy...

 

 

All I know is the worst thing for a guy trying to find the hole in his swing is to not see live pitching on a regular basis, And he doesn?t play a half bad CF, hes horrible in RF and LF tho...

 

OK BoNat...... .I will cut you all the slack with respect to Wily Mo that you want. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I would be less than respectful of you if I said anything else. For what it's worth I hope you turn out to be right and come back and say I told you so. I just think.....well, never mind; I know you know what I think.

[seabeachfred]

The '07 version of WMP is indefensible. I don't want to see that version get another day of playing time. He's doing nothing with the bat' date=' so they might as well call up a glove if Coco goes DL. What I don't understand is those that didn't like the '06 version. Sure he had his warts, but he was a definite offensive contributor, enough so to the point of making his (less frequent than now) defensive gaffes tolerable.[/quote']

 

You brought up a very good point ORS. He did do some good things last year but in my case I saw him in person at games I attended and his performances left so much to be desired that I soured on him despite what he did. Opening Day at Fenway he misplays a fly ball off his glove for a home run that turns a comfortable 5-1 game into a two run nailbiter. In the last Yankee series at the Stadium in September, he leaves 12 men on base in a DH, misplays three balls in LF and costs the Red Sox a chance to sweep a four game series. Fortunately, I didn't have tickets to the game the Red Sox lost since it was a make-up game and not part of the RS Destinations Package. I also remember playing a fly ball off his head for a RS homer when he came to Fenway as a Red in '05.

 

I guess I went into the season last year with some pretty negative feelings about the guy and they were only reinforced by what I saw. Anyway, now is the time to bring up David Murphy. I saw enough of him in that Yankee series to tell me he can play good defense, get his share of hits and add some speed to the lineup.

[ORS]

Here's the problem with that though, Fred. What do you attend, 15 maybe 20 Sox games a year? If the FO evaluated player performance on 15-20 randomly selected games rather than the whole season, then they'd end up with some pretty funky roster constructions from year to year. Bottom line, I could care less if he pleased you when you saw him because you don't go to every game, and everthing he does should get consideration. So, because of last year, there still should be room for some optimism. That said, he's shown so very little in his play that I suspect last year was the anomaly.

[Rdsxmbnt]

I personally still hold out some for him, its been 25 ABs, granted hes looked awful (really awful), 25 ABs is 25 ABs. If hes still like this down the road sometime in May (no the situation is not dire enough that we HAVE to make a move now to dump him) then Ill be worried. It would be an awful move to dump him after 25 ABs and have someone else pick him up and then he wakes up.

[seabeachfred]

Here's the problem with that though' date=' Fred. What do you attend, 15 maybe 20 Sox games a year? If the FO evaluated player performance on 15-20 randomly selected games rather than the whole season, then they'd end up with some pretty funky roster constructions from year to year. Bottom line, I could care less if he pleased you when you saw him because you don't go to every game, and everthing he does should get consideration. So, because of last year, there still should be room for some optimism. That said, he's shown so very little in his play that I suspect last year was the anomaly.[/quote']

 

Well ORS, if he would go out there tonight and get a double and single, drive a couple of runners in and make a nice catch or two in the outfield we would both breath a temporary sigh of relief. I don't know what more I can say on the topic but for him to start producing. It would certainly shut many of us up. Maybe tonight.

[rician blast]

Well ORS' date=' if he would go out there tonight and get a double and single, drive a couple of runners in and make a nice catch or two in the outfield we would both breath a temporary sigh of relief. [/quote']

 

my guess is it would be VERY temporary.

[TedWilliams101]

I think WMP shouldn't be on our team 1 day longer. He does absolutely NOTHING to contribute to this team. I dont care about people that like him or think he has potential. He is doing nothing for the team, therefore you cut him. Period. Last year was a false glimer of hope. Pitchers now know how to pitch him and he will never be productive here. I don't care what he does on other teams. He will never be productive for the Sox in the AL East, there for you trade him. If he was defensively sound or had good speed, I'd be more adp to stick with him, but he doesnt have a single good atribute. Terrible defense, speed, hitting skills, and no baseball smarts. Bring up Murphy please.

 

This being said, he probably will have a good game or 2, and hit a few more homers. In the law of averages, he will have a few good games, but its the average that matters, and more than on average, WMP is and will be terrible and will not help our team win.

[TheKilo]

I think WMP shouldn't be on our team 1 day longer. He does absolutely NOTHING to contribute to this team. I dont care about people that like him or think he has potential. He is doing nothing for the team, therefore you cut him. Period. Last year was a false glimer of hope. Pitchers now know how to pitch him and he will never be productive here. I don't care what he does on other teams. He will never be productive for the Sox in the AL East, there for you trade him. If he was defensively sound or had good speed, I'd be more adp to stick with him, but he doesnt have a single good atribute. Terrible defense, speed, hitting skills, and no baseball smarts. Bring up Murphy please.

 

This being said, he probably will have a good game or 2, and hit a few more homers. In the law of averages, he will have a few good games, but its the average that matters, and more than on average, WMP is and will be terrible and will not help our team win.

 

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[v2freak]

Some people actually think insults add something to their argument

[TheKilo]

All you haters can suck a dick.

[Cocos Disciples]

KAPOW!

 

2 HR, 5 RBI

[TedWilliams101]

Props to WMP. He had a great game tonight. Good for him.

Yes, I don't have any problems rooting for WMP or congradulating him when it is warented. And yes, I hope that this sparks a hot streak for him.

[a700hitter]

When he hit them, he really crushes them.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Wily Mo didnt do so hot to start off the season. However, he didnt lose us any games in key spots and when he got his first chance to do so, he hammered that chance roughly ten thousand feet down the throats of all his haters.

 

Give him a month of backup outfielding. If he's still batting under .150 and K'ing more than Mark Bellhorn with pinkeye then yeah, go ahead and whine. Until then, enjoy the first place lead and deal with an unproductive batting spot for a few weeks.