The Yankee Thread

[CrespoBlows]

I remember when I got into an argument on Jim Callis and his hate for the Yankees with a couple of you guys. Here is an intresting article:

 

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/424767p-358338c.html

 

This guy who wrote the column is about as dumb as Schlitze the Pinhead. How stupid is that last comment. TOLD YA SO FUK U MELKY WAY!!!!!!!! I didn't know if you made one play, that means you're automatically a sure fire HOF. Apparently, to this dumbass it does.

 

Callis is dead on with every single one of those players.

[a700hitter]

I don't know why the Yankees playing their third baseman at third base is such a big issue with you people. I mean, I know there's always a reason to bash the Yankees (on this forum, at least) but I'm not really seeing the point of this.

 

I mean, sure you can point out he's a better short stop than Cairo but the fact is, he's also a better third baseman than Cairo. Either way, we're weakening one position to strengthen the other. So what's the point of taking A Rod out of his everyday position and putting him back in one, for a few or more games, with habits and requirements that he had to lose to transition to 3B?

I think it is great...stupid, buit great. It's stupid because your 3B is really a SS, and he is not just a SS but the best SS on the team(better than Jeter). ARod is not that great of a 3B, and SS is trhe key position in the Iinfield. Cairo plays SS for one reason and that reason is that bootlicker Joe will not disturb the prima dona. God forbid ARod plays SS and puts on a tremendouis defensive display. People might start questioning why he is not the SS. Torre would not do that to his loyal little soldier, Jeter. Cut the crap with the lame excuses, and call it for what it is-- favoritism for the prima dona.

[Optimist]

Yup, it's all a conspiracy to shelter Jeter and not because A-Rod's played 8 total innings at SS since 2004 while Cairo has played nearly 70 at that position. God, why am I so blind?!

[a700hitter]

Yup, it's all a conspiracy to shelter Jeter. God, why am I so blind?!

...or it's just complete stupidity by Torre, and even I don't think he is that stupid.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

This guy who wrote the column is about as dumb as Schlitze the Pinhead. How stupid is that last comment. TOLD YA SO FUK U MELKY WAY!!!!!!!! I didn't know if you made one play, that means you're automatically a sure fire HOF. Apparently, to this dumbass it does.

 

Callis is dead on with every single one of those players.

I never said he wasnt not dead on I just wanted to show that I'm not the only one that thinks Callis is biased. The only prospect I disagree with him on(in this article) is Cano. While this might be nitpicking I dont think Cano will hit enough for power to be moved to a corner OF pos. I think he is good enough at 2B.

[CrespoBlows]

I never said he wasnt not dead on I just wanted to show that I'm not the only one that thinks Callis is biased. The only prospect I disagree with him on(in this article) is Cano. While this might be nitpicking I dont think Cano will hit enough for power to be moved to a corner OF pos. I think he is good enough at 2B.

 

Your intention failed.

 

Your source is a New York sportswriter, who believes that Major League ballplayers are established with one play. Of course, that New York sportswriter is going to back the Yankees. He's a Yankee fan.

 

Cano, is below average defensively. He's also an empty .300 hitter. No power, no patience, not a whole lot of speed. Why do you guys like this guy?

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Your intention failed.

 

Your source is a New York sportswriter, who believes that Major League ballplayers are established with one play. Of course, that New York sportswriter is going to back the Yankees. He's a Yankee fan.

 

Cano, is below average defensively. He's also an empty .300 hitter. No power, no patience, not a whole lot of speed. Why do you guys like this guy?

If you watched the games Cano went through a defensive slump around the time they faced the Mets. Hes been much better since. He gets to balls (4th in RF in AL). Last year he hit 14 HR's I expect him to hit more then 2. Hes a good contact hitter and believe it or not in a lineup with Damon, Jeter, A-Rod, Giambi, Sheff and Matsui (when healthy) I can live without a Chase Utley at 2B.

[ORS]

RF favors players with pitchers who get a lot of ground balls and in-field fly balls. The Yankees are 5th in GB% and 1st in IF/FB rate. He gets more chances than the average 2B, and RF isn't dependent on total chances. The scouting reports don't like his range, and what I've seen with my eyes makes me agree with them. Also, peak occurs at around 27 y/o, but athletic peak is usually right around 22. He won't get any faster.

[CrespoBlows]

If you watched the game Cano went through a defensive slump around the time they faced the Mets. He gets to balls (4th in RF in AL). Last year he hit 14 HR's I expect him to hit more then 2. Hes a good contact hitter and believe it or not in a lineup with Damon, Jeter, A-Rod, Giambi, Sheff and Matsui (when healthy) I can live without a Chase Utley at 2B.

 

 

C'mon, might as well use FLD % if you're going to spit out meaningless baseball stats.

 

A better statistic which is probably the best at measures fielding would be the current FRAA. A FRAA of zero, means an average fielder. Robinson Cano is rated at -1, or slightly below average.

 

Cano's power surge was an abberation. He has no track record of hitting HR's, or doubles. He probably will give you a .280 average, 7-10 HR's, hit about 20-25 doubles, and play below average to average defense.

 

He's a decent player, but he is vastly overrated due to his inflated batting average. You guys can have Cano, I'll take Pedroia.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Cano's power surge was an abberation. He has no track record of hitting HR's, or doubles. He probably will give you a .280 average, 7-10 HR's, hit about 20-25 doubles, and play below average to average defense.

 

He's a decent player, but he is vastly overrated due to his inflated batting average. You guys can have Cano, I'll take Pedroia.

There are a bunch of players that have not hit a bunch of HR's in the minors and have come up and hit them. One that comes to mind is Don Mattingly. The guy cracked double digits in HR's once in the minors(10 HR's). Thats the same guy who hit 30 HR's prior to his back injury. Bernie Williams is another player who didnt hit for powers in the minors but hit around 25 when he hit his prime.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

lmao speaking of the devil

[CrespoBlows]

There are a bunch of players that have not hit a bunch of HR's in the minors and have come up and hit them. One that comes to mind is Don Mattingly. The guy cracked double digits in HR's once in the minors(10 HR's). Thats the same guy who hit 30 HR's prior to his back injury. Bernie Williams is another player who didnt hit for powers in the minors but hit around 25 when he hit his prime.

 

 

Cano rips a Schilling fastball into the RF porch. So much for no power.

 

EDIT* Let's factor in Yankee Stadium. I'll raise Cano's projected HR rate to 10-13, which is pretty good for a 2B.

 

One more thing, looking back at the numbers (~.147 ISOP), Cano should hit for a decent amount of power (for a 2B). Whether, Cano's plate discipline will allow him to is another thing.

[ORS]

I actually think Cano will show more power than he has if he tweaks his swing a bit. He hits the ball hard, but he doesn't usually generate a lot of lift since his swing isn't much of an upper cut. If he does move to a COF spot, they ought to consider making that adjustment and taking advantage of the short porch.

[26 to 6]

Actually, Cashman was on Daily News Live! today on SNY and said Matsui is out the year, with a VERY SLIGHT possibility he comes back in September.

[26 to 6]

Damn...my Quick Reply Quote button isn't working for some reason. Been like this the past few days. This is getting quite frustrating.

[26 to 6]

If he does move to a COF spot, they ought to consider making that adjustment and taking advantage of the short porch.

What difference does it make whether or not he is playing second or the outfield? Why should'nt he make the adjustment now?

 

Also, not that it matters, but I highly doubt they move him to the outfield. He's progressed a lot as a defensive second baseman this year, he'll be fine.

[26 to 6]

This would be like having Marino and Montana on the same team, but putting the TE in to QB when the starter went down. It just makes no sense. I love it. I hope ARod never plays another game at SS. I enjoy watching him plkay out of position at 3B while Cairo plays SS.

It's actually A-Rod's preference that he plays third and not short. And as for A-Rod playing out of position...he's not! Alex Rodriguez is a third baseman now. Not a shotstop. Get over the fact that your team didn't get him and leave Jeter, Torre, and A-Rod out of this. You're always so bitter towards everything, just go sit in a corner or something and stop dragging everybody down.

 

And enough with the prima donna s***. Until the likes of Curt Schilling and Manny Ramirez are no longer in Boston, it's ridiculous to criticize Jeter and call him, of all things, a prima donna.

[26 to 6]

If it isn't A-Rod, I'll laugh.

 

I liked your comparison last night, 700. Made perfect sense. I was wondering myself why A-Rod, arguably a better SS than Jeter, wasn't at that position last night.

 

Miguel Cairo at SS over A-Rod? Give me a break.

Well look at it this way. Who's a better third baseman, Alex Rodriguez or Miguel Cairo? The fact that A-Rod is the third baseman on this team is the reason why he is playing there and not shortstop.

[a700hitter]

It's actually A-Rod's preference that he plays third and not short. And as for A-Rod playing out of position...he's not! Alex Rodriguez is a third baseman now. Not a shotstop. Get over the fact that your team didn't get him and leave Jeter, Torre, and A-Rod out of this. You're always so bitter towards everything, just go sit in a corner or something and stop dragging everybody down.

 

And enough with the prima donna s***. Until the likes of Curt Schilling and Manny Ramirez are no longer in Boston, it's ridiculous to criticize Jeter and call him, of all things, a prima donna.

ARod is not one to start a controversy, but I am sure that he would quite willingly grab his glove and play SS if Torre asked. He is a much better SS than the 3B. You are sorely mistaken if you think that I am bitter over the Red Sox not getting the Purple-lipped wonder. If we got him, we lose Manny, and Manny was our WS MVP. If we got ARod, we probably don't win the WS in 2004. I like the way things have worked out, and I like that ARod plays 3rd when Jeter is in or out of the lineup.. I am just amazed that you Yankee fans are such hero-worshiping fools that you don't even realize that your defensive lineup is all f***ed up, because the prima dona insists on playing SS. Cano should be playing 3rd. He's a butcher at 3rd with no range. But carry on with your foolishness. "ARod is a 3B and would be out of position at SS. ARod wants to play 3B, etrc. etc." I laugh as the balls go through that sieve of an infield.

[CrespoBlows]

What difference does it make whether or not he is playing second or the outfield? Why should'nt he make the adjustment now?

 

Also, not that it matters, but I highly doubt they move him to the outfield. He's progressed a lot as a defensive second baseman this year, he'll be fine.

 

Wrong.

 

Numbers have suggested that Cano has regressed.

[yeszir]

Damn...my Quick Reply Quote button isn't working for some reason. Been like this the past few days. This is getting quite frustrating.

It's this utterly ridiculous excuse for a server. This hosting company has gone down the tubes. :thumbdown

[RedSoxRooter]

Actually the Save button has been acting the same way for a couple of days too.

[See Red]

Wrong.

 

Numbers have suggested that Cano has regressed.

 

But why base an argument on something as silly as numbers?

[SuperManny]

AROD really should be playing SS with Jeter out. AROD is a better SS than 3B, is there anyone that doubts this? SS gets more balls and if you wanted your team to have better D AROD would be at SS. Its really not a big deal if AROD slids to SS for a couple of games. When Lowell was hurt for a game and Youk played 3B for a game or two it wasn't a big deal. No one thought Lowell might lose his job to Youk at 3B.

[SuperManny]

I remember when I got into an argument on Jim Callis and his hate for the Yankees with a couple of you guys. Here is an intresting article:

 

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/424767p-358338c.html

 

So far this year Melky has a VORP of .1 - pretty much replacement level. Cano is doing okay with a VORP of 8.2 and Wang has a VORP of 12.9. Phillips has a VORP of 2 this year as well. Not terrible but nothing to get too excited about. The minors are full of guys who are replacement level which is why its called replacement level. The players have performed above what most expected but nothing extraordinary or All Star level.

 

I mean you don't have a Kevin Youkilis type 22 VORP going on or anything. :thumbsup:

[Cocos Disciples]

Random and probably not worthy of discussion, but Scott Proctor blew his 4th save of the year last night, allowing 3 runs in an inning of work in the 6th. It is the 9th blown save of the year for the Yankees, tied for 5th in MLB, while the Red Sox have 2 blown saves, the least in MLB.

[a700hitter]

5.74 -- Nice ERA for Unit

[CrespoBlows]

Yankees score four after the delay. Trail by one going into the 9th.

[CrespoBlows]

A's win, 6-5.

[Cocos Disciples]

Sox back in 1st, this section is back rightfully named again.