Front page NY papers today?

[riverside sluggers]

yeah thats our gay jeter, haha, honestly what does it look like hes trying to do?

[ARod2212]

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[YanksHater213]

Giambi makes me f***ing sick.

[soxie thefangirl]

Honestly what is wrong with him? He's playing so good lately lol.

[YanksHater213]

He probably started taking steroids again, I wouldnt put it past him. Just the fact that he used to take steroids and CHEAT THE GAME is what makes me sick everytime I hear the guys name. I dont care who you are, if you take steroids and cheat the game, I am going to hate you, even if you are a red sox player.

[ARod2212]

I have no defense for him taking steroids, and yes cheating. However, I do give him a hell of a lot more credit than Bonds because he didn't back off at the trial. He admitted he did wrong and has worked to get past it. Hold it against him if you want, but he's done almost all he can logically do to get past it. He's not going to give back money, but he's confessed and apologized. What more do you want?

 

The United States is the land of second chances, something you don't often hear from a guy who scored a 96% on the Republican test.

[YanksHater213]

I respect him admitting it, but my ideas about him will never change bacause of what he did.

[schillingouttheks]

I'm with YanksHater on him. I will always view him as a cheater and hate him, but respect what he did. You can respect someone but hate their guts at the same time.

[ORS]

I have no defense for him taking steroids, and yes cheating. However, I do give him a hell of a lot more credit than Bonds because he didn't back off at the trial. He admitted he did wrong and has worked to get past it. Hold it against him if you want, but he's done almost all he can logically do to get past it. He's not going to give back money, but he's confessed and apologized. What more do you want?

 

The United States is the land of second chances, something you don't often hear from a guy who scored a 96% on the Republican test.

I confess, I killed your mother. Forgive me? I know it seems like apples and oranges, but wrong is wrong.

[ARod2212]

I confess, I killed your mother. Forgive me? I know it seems like apples and oranges, but wrong is wrong.

More like, the 12 of us killed your mother, but I am the only one who is willing to confess. I don't expect you to forgive me, but I'm going to try my best to become a better person after this terrible act.

 

The message is similar, but its not nearly that drastic. Still, he cheated and there is every reason as to why he deserves the antagonizing he gets.

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[RedSoxRooter]

Steroids is still front page news in NY?

[Sox fan in Tex]

I guess it has to be, I mean.... not much else is going right for those pathetic bastards. Where's the front page about Jeter not making the All-Star team? That's right.... Jeter could hit .100 and the papers wouldn't give a rats ass because he's the "captain".

[ARod2212]

I guess it has to be, I mean.... not much else is going right for those pathetic bastards. Where's the front page about Jeter not making the All-Star team? That's right.... Jeter could hit .100 and the papers wouldn't give a rats ass because he's the "captain".

That was one of the worst posts I've ever seen. Look at Jeter's stats.

 

The All Star Game is meaningless, and the Yankees are far better off with Jeter and Matsui staying home. It isn't on the front page because Yankee fans really don't give a s*** about them not playing, hence it isn't big news.

 

Nevermind the fact that Giambi is producing now, with a .276 average to go with his .424 OBP. Like OMG hE Tuk SteRoidZ, that negates anything he does for the rest of his career.

 

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[Sox fan in Tex]

The All Star Game is meaningless, and the Yankees are far better off with Jeter and Matsui staying home. It isn't on the front page because Yankee fans really don't give a s*** about them not playing, hence it isn't big news.

 

So I guess Jeter being a 9 time All-Star doesn't matter either. I'm looking at his '04 and '05 stats and here are my comments: What captain?

[Youk Of The Nation]

Like OMG hE Tuk SteRoidZ, that negates anything he does for the rest of his career.

 

Yeah, basically. He cheated his team, us, and himself, not to mention the other teams. No matter what he does hell always be a cheating, lowlife, scumbag.

[ARod2212]

So I guess Jeter being a 9 time All-Star doesn't matter either. I'm looking at his '04 and '05 stats and here are my comments: What captain?

Better than your shortstop, and just as good as your captain.

[See Red]

Better than your shortstop, and just as good as your captain.

 

As good as our captain?

 

*sigh*

 

If I hadn't seen Yankee fans make even more absurd arguments than that in the past, I wouldn't believe you were making that argument.

 

And hey, Jeter isn't even the best shortstop on his team.

[ARod2212]

As good as our captain?

 

*sigh*

 

If I hadn't seen Yankee fans make even more absurd arguments than that in the past, I wouldn't believe you were making that argument.

 

And hey, Jeter isn't even the best shortstop on his team.

Well prove to me he isn't. Statistically they are about even this year, with a slight edge to Jeter. Jeter's got the rings, respect, ability and attitude you want out of a captain.

 

Not being the best shortstop on your team isn't a knock when the guy who is better is possibly the best player of our generation, a frontrunner for MVP, and you are both going to be in the Hall of Fame anyway.

 

Roy Oswalt isn't the best starting pitcher in Houston, I guess he sucks.

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[See Red]

Well prove to me he isn't. Statistically they are about even this year, with a slight edge to Jeter. Jeter's got the rings, respect, ability and attitude you want out of a captain.

 

Not being the best shortstop on your team isn't a knock when the guy who is better is possibly the best player of our generation, a frontrunner for MVP, and you are both going to be in the Hall of Fame anyway.

 

Roy Oswalt isn't the best starting pitcher in Houston, I guess he sucks.

 

Then again, nobody's saying that Roy Oswalt is the pitcher in the league.

 

As 'Yankees Captain'... Jeter has steered his team to within 2.5 games of a team whom they've out spent by a small margin of $85 million. On the opposite side of that... Varitek, who has a FAR more hands on roll in the success of his team has lead his outspent team to the division lead despite their ace missing practically the entire season and their closer struggling because he doesn't tell anybody he's injured. Not to mention the work that Varitek has to put in towards watching film and preparing so he can be the best in the league at something that there's no stat to measure.

 

Championships are a team accomplishment, and Varitek hasn't played on some of the teams that Jeter has.

 

And yeah, Jeter and A-Rod will both be Hall of Famers -- but Jeter is not so deserving. Let's face it, stats get you into the Hall of Fame and his stats look very much Hall of Fame worthy compared to those SS' inducted before him -- but they don't compare so favorably to some other SS' in the game today.

[ARod2212]

Then again, nobody's saying that Roy Oswalt is the pitcher in the league.

 

As 'Yankees Captain'... Jeter has steered his team to within 2.5 games of a team whom they've out spent by a small margin of $85 million. On the opposite side of that... Varitek, who has a FAR more hands on roll in the success of his team has lead his outspent team to the division lead despite their ace missing practically the entire season and their closer struggling because he doesn't tell anybody he's injured. Not to mention the work that Varitek has to put in towards watching film and preparing so he can be the best in the league at something that there's no stat to measure.

 

Championships are a team accomplishment, and Varitek hasn't played on some of the teams that Jeter has.

 

And yeah, Jeter and A-Rod will both be Hall of Famers -- but Jeter is not so deserving. Let's face it, stats get you into the Hall of Fame and his stats look very much Hall of Fame worthy compared to those SS' inducted before him -- but they don't compare so favorably to some other SS' in the game today.

 

I'm not calling Jeter the best player in the league, I'm just saying he's better than your captain. Payroll has nothing to do with leadership ability, although it seems to get into every single Yankee conversation. Play a new card, we know they're overpaid. Jeter also has statistics that are just about even to those of Varitek, slightly better.

 

You're neglecting to mention the fact that Jeter is missing 3/5ths of the rotation to the DL, Randy Johnson hasn't been Randy Johnson and the division we are 2.5 back in includes 4 competitive teams.

 

Jeter will have 3,000 hits by the time he's done, he'll be deserving.

 

 

 

Basically the argument is stupid, since we're arguing intangible stuff here. You've got your opinion and I've got mine.

[elsrbueno]

I'm not calling Jeter the best player in the league, I'm just saying he's better than your captain. Payroll has nothing to do with leadership ability, although it seems to get into every single Yankee conversation. Play a new card, we know they're overpaid. Jeter also has statistics that are just about even to those of Varitek, slightly better.

 

You're neglecting to mention the fact that Jeter is missing 3/5ths of the rotation to the DL, Randy Johnson hasn't been Randy Johnson and the division we are 2.5 back in includes 4 competitive teams.

 

Jeter will have 3,000 hits by the time he's done, he'll be deserving.

 

 

 

Basically the argument is stupid, since we're arguing intangible stuff here. You've got your opinion and I've got mine.

 

 

Jeter is a great player, anyone who denies that is being an idiot. But as far as comparing Jeter to Varitek as far as offensive production is concerned, that's just not fair. As a catcher, Jason Varitek puts 90% of his work into his duties on defense. Preparing for games, calling pitches, etc, etc. His offense has always been considered a BONUS because of his contributions to the pitching staff and as a catcher.

 

Compare Derek Jeter to the other shortstops in the game, and he's easily behind Tejada and Michael Young. Take a look around the majors, and there's almost half a dozen shortstops who are approaching Derek's offensive performance. That doesn't include the fact that the best offensive shortstop in baseball's playing third base right now, and that two good offensive players (Renteria and Cabrera) are slumping.

 

Jason Varitek is really far and away the best offensive catcher in baseball this year. The usual suspects: Pudge Rodriguez, Jorge Posada, Mike Piazza-- just don't stack up.

 

You're argument that the Yankees are missing 3/5ths of their rotation? Hell-- they're better off without Kevin Brown and Jaret Wright, and as much as the Yankees have missed not having the Randy Johnson of 2004.... the Red Sox have gotten NOTHING from Kevin Millar, Keith Foulke, Alan Embree, and Curt Schilling-- 4 KEY players from last year's run. Not to mention losing 2/5ths of their championship rotation. The Red Sox have overacheived thus far this season given the adversity they've faced this season. The Yankees have underacheived by a VERY large margin, regardless of the two team's payrolls.

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[soxie thefangirl]

Awww. How cute. Hah.

[AgentAnni008]

Well prove to me he isn't. Statistically they are about even this year, with a slight edge to Jeter. Jeter's got the rings, respect, ability and attitude you want out of a captain.

 

Not being the best shortstop on your team isn't a knock when the guy who is better is possibly the best player of our generation, a frontrunner for MVP, and you are both going to be in the Hall of Fame anyway.

 

Roy Oswalt isn't the best starting pitcher in Houston, I guess he sucks.

statistics dont necessarily make a captain good. leadership is what makes a captain good. your trying to tell me that gary sheffield listens to what deek jeter has to say? alex rodriguez listens when deek jeter speaks? randy johnson looks to deek for advice, right? if they do im willing to bet that it doesnt carry as much weight as when varitek speaks to one of his teammates.

 

as for the oswalt remark...its apples and oranges when you talk about pitchers...talk about who ever the hell is the back up shortstop is in houston...im sure he sucks.

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[riverside sluggers]

haha cartoon characters of the yankees are best front story picture i have seen yet

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[SchillingIsTheNatural]

i thought true yankees were only made in october??? or maybe legends are only made in october....anyone seen my bloody sock???