drewski6

Its dead now. It was my idea for a bad contract swap and I thought Teoscar would have a resurgence at Fenway. Hes a guy weve had mutual interest in the past. The trade was HIcks for Hernandez. Im not interested in giving up value for Teoscar. Instead we attached a prospect to Hicks to save money, which I dont hate. But I thought I had a good idea of what to do with HIcks. I thought the dodgers would rather gamble on a hicks resurgence (BP almost cost them WS last year) and we would be more willing to gamble on Teoscar resurgence (mutual interest in past, good swing for fenway). Plus the ole "both guys could use a change of scenary" But its dead. HIcks is gone and Im not like shopping for Teoscar lol, a bad defensive outfidler 33 yrs old making money coming off a bad season at the plate. The point was salvaging value for Hicks and is dead now.

no but hes a dangerous one, lol Thats a fair point but I think he would hit here better than most our team.

When you say I would never trade Duran for Paredes but I would do Duran for Paredes AND a reliever, to me you are not fixing the offense. You are again, taking from the offense, to get a RP (and a more clean roster). But its more for run prevention. If its like Duran or Abreu for a solid defensive infielder who is an okay hitter, to me this isnt fixing the problem of not enough offense. Again we are taking from theoffense to add to the run prevention. Is it ever going to be enough? When last year concluded, in my opinion, our run prevention exceeded our run creation. And weve improved our run prevention soooo many times since then to the point where I dont think we have enough spots for all our MLB ready pitchers. I think thats a bigger logjam than having 3 corner outfielders (Duran, Abreu, Anthony). So these trades that improve defensive aignment (run prevention) or trade an offensive player for a less valuable offensive player and a bullpen piece arent doing it for me. At least on their own. I would need another trade on top of that, if for example we traded duran for a slick fielding infielder. Again, its more subtract from the offense and Im ringing the "theres not enough offense as it is" bell. SO I would need another trade to get some real offense. So you wanna trade Duran for defensive infielder, I think we need to go get a real elite bat but thats hard to do. Im waiting for us to circle back on Seager.

When a DH is an elite hitter, and we have 0 elite hitters, I do not see that DH as only a DH. I see them as the anchor to our lineup/offense.

Im fine with trading Rafaela for a 2b, I could be fine with Abreu for a 2b but if you do the latter (Abreu for a 2b) that may not improve the offense as much as I think is needed. So if you do that move, I may want to also go try to get a Brent Rooker, for example (if you trade Abreu). The only time Im interested in getting a DH on the trade market is if a) we trade an outfielder for an infielder and b) that DH who we are getting would be the best hitter on the team. Like a Yordan Alvarez or a Brent Rooker. I would do W. Abreu, Bello, Harrison and Early for Paredes and Yordan Alvarez.

Im more interested in improving the offense than making the roster more "clean"/"everybody has a position" Logjams are depth.

Like a Yordan Alvarez or a Brent Rooker

Not impressed. Go get a real DH and maybe.

We have 4 good hitters, abreu for paredes + and we have (checks notes)....4 good hitters WEve got enough pitching for 2 entire rotations and enough hitting for 4/9 a lineup Trading a bat for a bat is not the answer (my opinion)

Id rather trade a pitcher and if Houston doesnt want a pitcher, Id rather move on. Id offer Bello, Early, and Harrison for Marte before I offered Abreu for Paredes and Billy Jean King.

Its very hard to trade Duran and improve the offense. I dont think Masa just comes in and replaces Duran at the plate. Duran is an offensive driver to me, and Masa is just trying to draw a walk or push a single through the infield and then play station to station and to me they are universes apart. I dont want Masa hitting in the top 4 of the lineup.

Trading Duran OR Abreu when they are half our offense Im all 4 Bello for Paredes

He would DH, Mayer 3b, Cedanne 2b

CF Duran DH *acquisition* 2b Cedanne Was really hoping we could flip hicks for teoscar hernandez Wonder if we could get my boy Brent Rooker

Cant disagree. Like 5GG said, I dont think we can trade any of our four plus bats (duran, abreu, anthony, contreras) because I think you 8 capable starting pitchers and 15 capable hitters (I think we have more than 4 capable hitters, but not more than four "plus" hitters) So Im just more against trading Duran than you are. But I do believe you that you like the guy even though you consider options that include trading him. Theres a world I trade Duran, there are more worlds that you trade Duran. Im just more hesitatnt to it than you. But I see your points and they are reasonable. Duran is not a perfect leader, I know that. I do love a mental health rebound story. Greinke is one as well. Also, I was captain trade duran 2 years ago and ive eaten my crow over there. Not here but in my text messages.

but sorry, i dont mean to prevent us from moving on - the convo on suarez can be over as hes now a red I would like to re-bring up something ive said in the past however, which is my willingness to trade entire rosters with the reds, cuz for me, thats back on the table. 26 Red Sox for 26 cincy reds. BTW if we are parking tolle and early in minors so they dont even get swapped, im prob leaning towards "id do it"

Me I wanted Suarez at certain points in free agency, these things twist and turn. But I never wanted him 160 games at 3b. Maybe 60 though.

Are you benching Cedanne?

I disagree that we need a 3b/2b more than we need someone who leads by example in the weight room. Have you looked at Mayer and Story? Do you know what will help them stay healthy? Have you ever been on a team and had to be accountable to someone like Duran? You dont want him texting you that ur being a [censored] and so you get ur butt up and you get to the gym

Like my cat

Hes chubby

Justin Turner switched from 3b to 2b when he couldnt play 3b anymore. Than he switched to part time 2b / part time 1b when he couldnt play 2b 160 games anymore. Then he switched to part time 1b/part time dh when he couldnt really field anymore. Then he switched to pure backup/bench player. Ive seen a few times the ability to field goes before the ability to hit. Old Mike Lowell comes to mind as a guy who would limp to the plate get solid wood on the ball and smash it into the gap then limp to first. And he couldnt field or really move but he could still hit and im not sure if theres value in carrying those kind of guys on your 26 man in 2026 (no offense to lowell). But I honestly dont think that suarez could get through 160 games or even 140 at 3b right now , and I dont mean "because they wouldnt be pretty" I mean because his body would break. Hes not an in shape 35.

Have you ever looked at Suarez? Hes got a bowling ball belly and hes 35. Im not worried about him being a butcher at 3b. I literally dont think he could do it even if we wanted him to and he wanted to. For 165 games. Im sure he could get through a game. There comes an age when you just cant play 3b anymore. I think its harder than 2b because the ball comes at you fast and so you crash around out there, plus you need a bigger body to make the throw. I think thats why we prefer Mayer at 3b because he's 6'3 and its harder to find a big athletic guy than it is to find a 5'11 guy for 2b Cant teach size

YES YES YES Look, all last year we heard about the elusive "baseball trade" I got sick of hearing it on the deadline NESN shows. "These kind of trades are so rare, its jsut a pure baseball trade with one ball club and another ball club just trying to better their clubbbbs" (and it would not happen). We tried all year, up to and through the deadline last year and all offseason really, and it never happened because they are super rare for the reasons you mention. Its just so much easier for a win now team to line up with a win later team. None of this balance, none of this buy and sell, none of this "its a pure baseball trade like in the old school days" - the trades are so hard to line up and execute and we're just burning time and seeing the available players dwindle one by one while we try to work out a trade involving sending an MLB starting outfielder for and MLB starting pitcher (all deadline) or an MLB infielder (this offseason) and we cant get it done and theres a reaason for that and you nailed the reason. Hugh2 4 drewski6 poster of the day award. Its 9.42 am here so kinda early but id give it to you right now. Like when an early interview just nails it and you send everyone else home. Keep chatting folks but Hugh already won the day* *note: drewski6 poster of the day is not a real thing

Id do that