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We traded renteria for Andy Marte (RIP) and then flipped Andy in a package for Cocoa who is a personal favorite of mine due to his down to earth personality, willingness to throw a punch, willingness to bury the hatchet and become good friends with people who were on the receiving end of said punch (granted whiff). I dont recall how much of the value going the other way in the trade that got us Cocoa was from Andy Marte, but I think enough for me to make this post.

Ive done it. Its because of a few things. One: Starling has had a fantastic career himself, so hes likely to pop up when you google marte (i think starling is the current active leader in stolen bases). Also, ketel is a switch hitter, and im very use to seeing s marte (as in switch hitting ketel marte, which makes it even more confusing) S marte can be either Switch hitting ketel marte or Starling Marte

In summary: JH made a billion dollars literally yesterday by buying the penguins for near 1b and selling them for nearly 2b a few short years later. JH was only able to buy the penguins initially because of his red sox investment. So the extra bill profit he made off flipping the penguins (and that bill doesnt include any salaries/profit-sharing along the way from the penguins) , he would have never been able to make it without the red sox. And when you look at revenue vs payroll, which is already ugly, it doesnt even include earnings from side hustles that hes been able to accomplish due to his red sox investment , and said side hustle earnings have been significant to the tune of billions.

its harder to go from 0 ->2m than it is to go from 2m->20m. Its easy to make money when you have money. And Ill stop before I get yelled at for touching up against politics (which is hard to avoid, but im intentionally avoiding it or trying to by stopping here)

yes, but it goes beyond revenue. I know we are 22nd in revenue vs payroll, but guess what, its worse than that. Someone like henry , a legacy owner vs a new owner. Forget revenue for jsut one sec (please), Henry has a 6x growth on valuation during his tenure as principal owner. This has nothing to do with income (profit/cash into his pocket), its purely buy red sox for 700m, they are worth 4b today. Which means he could (and has) sell lets say 10% (or give it in an asset trade, which same thing) and get 400m back in assets/cash. Thats selling 10% of his investment for more than 50% of his money back. The money that Henry has made. The obscene wealth that he has amassed. Its more from just revenue. And we're not even getting into the opportunities that the red sox have blessed him with. For example, are you aware that JH made 900m (profit) this week? He bought the penguins for 900m 4 years ago, and sold them THIS week for 1.8b. How did he come up with the 900m originally (which he doubled up on). Well, when one of your assets appreciates in value from 700m to 4b you now have 6x the collateral to borrow against. You can sell a measly 10% of your stake to generate 400m. The Red Sox have given JH more than he has given us, and thats okay. My only point here is that the revenue to payroll comparisons dont tell a fraction of the story. Hes made multiple billions in valuaion increases alone and that exclues any salary/profit-share hes withdrawn, which im sure is at least another billion And Im sorry but I reject that hes smart. WEll, I reject that this is an example of intelligence, Im sure JH is smart. But this is more of an example of how easy it is to make money when you already have money

I guess its more straw man than hyperbole.

Thats the hyperbole (bolded) and I dont think anyone ever said that. When I talk about the cyclical nature of roster bulding, im more talking about (if you think you can compete for a title next 5 years)" 1. Being willing to give an extra year or 2 on a contract to someone who plugs a hole in order to get the FA signed 2. On a short term deal, being willing to overpay a bit if that player you think is a missing piece 3. Flip some prospects for holes Youve never seen me clamor for "all in" , Im not black/white like that. Saying we are arguing Mayer vs Marte is reductive. We're talking about a lot of things at once, and its just more nuanced than that. And often, we're talking past each other without ralizing it.

uh oh

They dont. No timeline, no timetable. I think its still very unknown what (if anything) we are going to get from him. So COntreras can make some sense here (if BLoom is willing to eat a little more money, and Contreras can still catch some if Casas returns late). Geno also. Maybe even Bellinger The common denominator is positional versatility

This is actually pretty sexy for a team that cries poverty , and now Im not really as into trading him. That 13m in 6 years is really equiv to 10.5 today (inflation), and thats not really starter money. That 10.5 in 5 years is really like 8 today (inflation). Maybe you just rotate around (and yes that would include some infield for Raf) but its not full time infield. So like Raf plays inf sometimes, sits sometimes, outfield most times Masa plays sometimes, sits sometimes, DH some time Duran plays OF most times , DH some times Positional versatility is depth. Also, there will be plenty of times when someone isnt available so the juggling will only have to happen some of the time

With an almost 2x valuation.

I had a boss who once told me I was too nice while she was holding a stack of papers. I smacked em right out of her hand onto the floor. She looked at me puzzled. I said "Im trying this be a jerk thing you recommended"

theres a d in that word? ive always thought it was gobbleygook. Like a turkey gobbles.

Also - third reason to move Cedanne to inf - to annoy joe brady (but i dislike him less today than i did last week)

another reason is because then we wouldnt trade duran and i could lie to myself that we made a big offensive offseason addition (duran), like i did last year trade deadline.

third times a charm?

There was also the time when the bench cleared, adn everyone was rushing towards the scrum and NOmar was like nah. Be mad at ownership, but youre gonna not get your teammates back? Arent you raging from roids and looking for an excuse to punch someone? (nomar, not you. i hope you are not roided out and looking to punch someone cuz that someone would prob be me)

Now, Joe Brady and I are on the same side. Enemies can become friends and friends can become enemies in a royal rumble. Dont turn your back on me though (chair shot)

John Henry just sold the penguins. This is huge! I no longer want to punch him in the face!!! Now donate the proceeds. I take that back. Keep portion to invest on red sox (not all this year) , donate the rest. Still, this is great news!!! Our owner is no longer the owner of the organization that employed Matt Cooke!! This is probably bigger news to me than to you guys, but Im sure we have some bruins fans in here that didnt like jh owning the penguins. Matt cooke, for those who dont know, is a cheap shotting little B who ruined Marc Savard (bruins player) career with a cheap shot elbow.

I can be talked into or out of almost anything.

And its a pattern (focuses lapses) , if it was the only time ive ever seen duran loose focus, i would excuse it. Problem is its not the first time.

But Duran did drop that ball.

Its a treat watching him play OF. Its beautiful, its majestic, its eye-popping. It really stands out. And thats why, I think its overrated Its worth something, its worth a lot. Id love to keep him in CF, dont get me wrong. But I think Duran is the better overall ballplayer.

I also expect #2 from Sonny

I expect #2 from Tolle.