drewski6

Any time you are talking about trading the face and fire of the franchise, the return package is secondary. You are failing pretty badly to make a conversation about Bubic. Duran is NOT the obvious odd man out. You accepting that as fact overshadows everything you are trying to say about (dont even care about his name)

Thats not the point. The point, for me, dont want to speak for Max is this old school incorrect belief that platoons are not good. If MLB rosters were 30 deep, most MLB players would platoon. Are platoons are some of our stronger spots. You dont see a platoon and circle it as a weak spot.

Their assessment of Schwarber bothers me more than their assessment of Masa

Do these guys know that we dont *HAVE* to wait until the deadline. Like Ive said before, my concern is that our playoff chances will fade between when I first declared this (immediately after Devers trade) and the deadline. I was concerned that we would be about .500 at the deadline and make our moves then and it would be almost futile because of so many teams to pass. For a few reasons, Yankees and Seattle stinking, an easy part of the schedule, us playing great for a spell. It looked like my concerns were overblown and we could easily hold it down until reinforcements. But now Im getting itchy again. Worrying that our playoff chances are going to get murky again. Its prob the schedule more than anything. Funny how much better we look vs Nats/Col then vs ChCubs/Phills/LAD (upcoming)

My issue is with the notion that we should see the age of 28 as a reason to move him. Are we punting on the next 3 years? Is this the next guy up is always going to be better hype fallacy. Moving on from Duran because of where he is in his development cycle (current prime) is like saying you dont expect this team to compete until hes past prime , so like wait another 3-4 years. And then there will prob be guys like Cedanne and Wilyer and Crochet that we'd have to move because uh-oh turned 28. Prime is usually 26-31. You should want 28 year olds unles you feel like we are years out. More than anything, its a reach to declare him the odd man out because its hard right now because none of them look like the odd man out. My vote = hoard.

Yeah, Im with you. Id love to see Duran or Anthony at 1b and trade someone not currently on MLB roster to fortify pitching, but I'm coming to terms that its prob not going to happen.

Raise your hand if you forgot Santana was a catcher at one point. Feels like ages ago.

On the year Bednar has like a flat 2 ERA and like a 12.5 K/9, 13 saves so insurance if Chapman gets hurt. Great set up man. Prob close for us next year (his arb3 year) Keller is like a 3.7-3.8 ERA pitcher, so like a good #3 thereabouts. Will slot in nicely in the middle of our rotation next 3 years. I dont think hes overpaid at all, like 18m/cash per year but with like 15.5 lux tax hit. Getting a 29 yr old solid #3 in free agency, you are looking at like 21m for 4-5 years. He provides good insurance if Gio or Bello struggle and can join our playoff rotation. ALso will help us get there (playoffs).

I shop Campbell.

Like the WB network frog with the top hat?

Notin can I get a BTV check on Campbell for Keller and Bednar? Also would you do this? Note: KC has a sub .700 OPS since going to AAA and Grissom has been much better as of late.

I do this every year in the show (video game). Trade the dudes who are out of options and you dont have room for on your 26 and trade guys who are going to get rule 5 plucked who you dont have room for on your 40 man

Theres middle ground between wanting to trade from the farm instead of Duran /Abreu (who both have multiple years control beyond this one) and never calling up from the farm again.

Great news - deal just became Campbell for Kelly AND Bednar. BTW Grissom is outplaying Campbell in AAA.

Ive got Vida Blue, Bob Feller, and an auto-generated dude I drafted in like 2028 (its like 2032) and Rollie Fingers as my closer and none of them can win any postseason hardware! (Vida blue does have a reg season MVP , but that should have went to Elly who went 40HR/70SB that year, granted Vida did have 27 wins).

Sure, and this is my point. Its hard for a pitcher to put up a body of work that looks as sexy as a red-hot position player over an 11-20 game sample (depending on postseason games played). I assume if you heard that they were doing one pitcher-only postseason trophy, it wouldnt ruin your day. We have an MVP for ALCS, NLCS, WS, AL Playoffs, NL Playoffs and maybe others too - as you just showed, when its a small sample size, its hard for a pitcher to outshine a red hot bat. So why not add a trophy for pitchers only for the playoffs. Im sick of Vida Blue not getting any playoff hardware in my Show Franchise. Every year its 25 IP, a WS ring, an ERA under 2, 3-5 wins and he cant get anything (I turned on legends this time).

If 15 IP is 3 wins out of 11 games or 5-6 includes 2-3 big time clutch closeouts, why not? And it wont be like that every year. Thing about 11 postseason games vs more, it also makes the resumes on the positional player side less eye-popping as well.

This is why all of you armchair GMs should be playing the show. Not only can you get Skenes but you can get him for a poo--poo platter of replaceable talent. And its so fun. Just dont let it convince you that its that easy to quantity dump for quality in real life just cuz you can do it in the show. Or youll be setting yourself up for disappointment.

To me the age/contracts of your big club matter when assessing farm strength. If we had a struggling team filled with 34 yr old dudes struggling to hold on and on short deals, we'd need a very strong farm and absolutely should be selling off. But Duran/Abreu/Mayer/Anthony/Cedanne/Nav all have control beyond this year. And between Bregman, Romy, Toro, Casas, Yoshida, and even Grissom (who is looking good in Worcester btw) - some of them are going to occupy positional player slots and fill those spots well. So on the positional player side, we dont need as much from the next group up. Not saying we should gut it, but I move for Campbell for Keller if it gets it done.

If Keller allows us to keep our OF'ers (or at least put it off until after this playoff run) but would have to give one up for Ryan, than Ryan would have to be MUCH better than Keller for it to be worth moving an OF (for me). And I honestly just dont know. I havent pitched with either enough times in the show.

I was hoping so.

I think Ryan is a lot more likely.

Why not just trade Campbell? I dont trust Yoshida, Bregman, Mayer, Toro to stay healthy and productive through playoffs. You can use OF overflow to cover in any event. Im not sure Mayer is on our playoff roster. Im not sure Yoshida is either. Or even Toro. Bregman has a high re-injury risk right now. Id rather keep the depth. Keeping Duran allows you to play Cedanne in INF in playoffs should Mayer look overmatche or Bregman get reinjured or Toro continue to fade. If we trade from Abreu or Duran and wind up with Campbell (or Toro) in a key playoff role, that is a mistake. And Mayer is not a lock either. Playoffs arent the time to focus on anything but winning the next game.

I think we go three man rotation in the playoffs, you expressed that you are very happy with our top 3. A SP acquisition, in my opinion is help getting to playoffs, and also protection against an injury to pitchers #2,3 (I think no way to protect against a Crochet injury). It also helps pen in playoffs, because whomever gets bumped out of Crochet, Gio, Bello, this SP to be acquired would drastically help pen. EROD was the #4 pitcher on this team for years and made like 2 career postseason starts for us. Whomever that #4 pitcher is , is getting bumped for Crochet on short rest (unless we can afford to drop a game) To me the more time that ticks, the less valuable that SP becomes. I want him now. Because we are coming up on a grueling stretch. And the more time goes by, the less likely there will be a new injury (knocks on wood) and the less reg season starts a #4 pitcher will have. But dont get me wrong , I would love a pitcher who is better than everybody not named Crochet. I just trade Campbell and yes even Mayer (not both) before I trade Duran. Because Duran is a guy who I want on my side in the playoffs. Hes an energy / spark-plug / small ball / sh*t-talking alpha. The value of that goes up in playoffs. The value of a #4 pitcher goes down in playoffs.

I think you are making some great points also, and if Duran was an upcoming free-agent , i would be less against it. But Im honestly struggling to understand why trade Duran over Campbell if you think Campbell steps in at LF. Is it a trade value thing? Do you think Campbells trade value went down the tubes while Duran maintains very high trade value? How many years until you think Campbell is a better LF than Duran? Im thinking at least 2-3. So keep Duran and flip Campbell for Ryan. Can someone give me a BTV check on Duran vs Campbell?