drewski6

How dare you

Didnt you literally just propose trading for Spencer Steer

From Devers? Yes. From Eddie Guerrero? No (I wore a "Latino Heat" shirt to Raw in Providence on Monday)

The sox may be contenders in 25 on the back of Crochet.

I like this Gio talk, I think myself (dont want to speak for others but dont think Im alone) werent interested enough in Pivetta. Something about hes been here and we've seen his ups/downs and the fact that the team didnt go particularly far when he was here, so we wanted an infusion of new talent. ANd those sentiments are natural, but I think it caused me personally to underrate his value. The past is the past. Gios lost year is behind us, like Pivettas pre-breakout mediocrity (forgive me for using the term breakout, which might not be 100% deserved, but I do feel like pivetta went from mediocre (average #4) to solid (good #3) at some point within last 2-3 years.

Very small percentage chance , he takes it. What he might do is a sign a fresh 19m/yr contract with incentives w a player only option the following year. Mutual options are pointless (w rare exception)

advising his client to do what is in his clients best interest is not nonsense.

I do appreciate your mentality. I dont jump for joy when a player gets trapped into such a team friendly deal that hes just trapped for life (get scottie pippen'd). But I guess I do lvoe me a contract that works for both sides (even if its slightly more favorable to the team than the player, but key word is slightly) Hey look Kimmi, looks like you dont exclusively root for "the laundry" (which you shouldnt and you dont).

Agreed, but mutual options are so rarely executed. Hes not coming back next year on 1 yrs at 19. Well he might but it wont be because the mutual option was triggered, it will be fresh contract.

Thats bad agent letting that happen. Id go scorched earth.

Ill take it though. It was well south of 33.6 10 games ago.

I almost fought that dude once (lead singer of the flavor of the week song, American Hi-Fi I think the band was called) Her boyfriend He dont know Anything, about her

Hes just the flavor of the weeeeeeek

Like when you didnt like the meal you paid for at the restaurant and took most of it home and now its the next night and you really want to scrap it but you cant bring yourself to be that wasteful so you joylessly force it down?

I might even forgive him soon for shaving the mustache (Im not there yet)

Ellsbury vs JBJ is a one-sided, never-a-doubt beatdown. Completely lopsided. The obvious clear winner is......Cocoa Crisp

Well, Eaton does lead to poopin

Lets say we traded Yoshida for Soto today. Just hypothetically. You guys would rush to trade an OF so Soto can play the field? Why? It doesnt seem worth it to me.

Soto was paid 700m for his bat. Now if you want him to play OF, the advantage in that is it allows you to also play a DH. So sure, some value in that. But its not very much. Soto gets 700M. Lets move him into the OF. The value in that is the savings from the cost differential in a hitter who can play the field and one who cannot. So lets say you can sign JDM for 8M but he would cost 12M if he could play a passable OF. The value from forcing Soto to play OF is 4M. Because now you can save 4m by getting JDM because hes 4 mil cheaper because he can only DH. Its not even worth the increased injury risk. Especially in Devers case (body type).

That just doesnt make sense to me. Lets make moves that make us worse defensively. Or maybe not, but lets make moves to clear an OF vacancy for Soto for the sole reason that we cant sleep at night knowing that BTV says we massively overpaid for Soto because we made him a DH. So we NEED to trade someone so we can put an OF next to Sotos name, and get worse defensively in the process. All this just so a lousy defensive player can play a lousy OF Or just keep your solid defensive of intact and put Soto at DH. Bad defensive players who can hit really well, dont go from overpaid at 280m to good value at 700m just because you forced them to take the field. Id rather have my best bat DH, assuming they have a prototypical HR hitters body-type. Less chance for injury and most of them with that body type are bad defensive players anyways.

I guess my main point is - are the sox better without devers? were we wise to trade him? who was at fault for the relationship deteriorating? how will they spend the money going forward? All of these are very good questions - and lets park them off to the side because my point boils down to: I disagree with how much value most subtract (include BTV, fangraphs, Moonslav, maybe you as well but Ill let you speak for yourself) - but I disagree with how much value sources tend to subtract from DHs for being a DH If we signed Soto to that 700M+ contract we all wanted to sign him to, he would be our DH right now. Because we have 3 better defensive outfielders.

Which is my point - if the red sox want to sign a really good hitter, that hitter will likely either accept a discount or less guaranteed money or be a DH or be extended when the team had control left. But my point is that it appears to me that people think the money saved from flipping Devers has more spending power than it does. Its not going to give you a comparable bat who also contributes defensively.

Bregman overplayed his hand , priced himself out of Houston and Detroit, then when teams who were potential landing spots started moving on, he pivoted to a short term deal. But sure, Ill give em some credit there.

all fair points. I do agree timing matters. Some years, it seems like teams are just wildly out of control bidding and some years everyone decides to be frugal. But I do think that over time, salaries go up even if the trend isnt 100% linear.

TY! I dont think he was overpaid or "just a DH", if he was a free agent right now, he would get a contract larger than the one he has. I dont think a team is going to be like , we might turn you into a 1b, we might put you back at third , we might keep you as a DH. But because of the uncertainty regarding where/if you will field, we are adjusting how much we think you are worth from 500M to 200M. He was paid for his bat. Just like Vlad. Just like Soto. The fact that one plays a below average first base or outfield and Devers doesnt (but may with a fresh start) ...I dont think that makes Vlad worth 500m and the Dev overpaid at 280. I think if you sign Pete Alonso after this year, you arent getting him for what you paid devers. I think it will be a lot more. So all this, "we'll see how they use the money" I think people are too excited for the money to be freed up. I dont think 280m goes as far as people think in this economy. I think Devers was a bargain because I think elite hitters are gonna go for more now that the market has been set with the ohtani/soto /vlad contracts. If one dude is .850 OPS and a lousy defender , he gets 500m The other dude is an .850 OPS and doesnt take the field at all, he gets 280M I honestly think the latter is the better value. If you wanna add a really good hitter, he almost has to be a DH otherwise, hes out of Henrys price range.