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They only “got better” if a bunch of 2020 do nothings do something

Dream on. You go by just last years numbers, yes Paxton and Happ gave nothing but look beyond one year. Also, if you by just last year, Taillon, Kluber and other you have gave NOTHING!

The will also put Sale on the IL, right?

Duran & Arauz Named to Carribbean All-Yourney Team The Red Sox organization featured the leadoff hitter for two of the four squads in the 2021 Caribbean Series, and both were honored with All-Tournament Team recognition. Jarren Duran continued to build upon his strong finish to the season in the Roberto Clemente (Puerto Rican) League, going 10 for 25 with a homer out of the leadoff spot for Caguas. He was 2 for 3 with a walk and a stolen base in a semifinal victory over Culiacan of the Mexican League. Duran followed with a 1-for-2 effort that included two walks in a 4-1 loss in the final to Aguilas. Jonathan Arauz was 7 for 26 from the top of the order for Chiriqui, representing Panama. Jeremy Rivera (2 for 11) and Jack Lopez (2 for 6) joined Duran getting playing time for Caguas, while Joey Meneses submitted a strong .261/.375/.478 line for Culiacan.

soxprospects.com... Scouting Report Update: Josh Winckowski On Thursday, the Red Sox traded Andrew Benintendi to the Kansas City Royals in a three-way trade that also involved the New York Mets. In return, the Red Sox received outfielder Franchy Cordero and two PTBNL from the Royals and RHP Josh Winckowski and a PTBNL from the Mets. For a detailed breakdown of the trade, check out the latest episode of the SoxProspects Podcast. The only prospect we know about so far is Winckowski, who was only just acquired by the Mets in January as part of the Steven Matz trade. Winckowski slots in at 32 in the current SoxProspects Rankings, and it was announced on Friday that he got a Non-Roster Invitation to Major League Spring Training. Here is our initial report on Winckwoski, compiled from data and reports as well as our scouting sources across the game. Please note that the report will be updated after we have seen him in person. Physical Description: Tall, sturdy frame. Minimal remaining projection. Mechanics: Throws from a high-three-quarters arm slot. Delivery is on the stiff side and lacks fluidity. Arm gets out of sync with his delivery and he does not effectively utilize his hips and lower body. Fastball: 93-96 mph. Tops out at 97 mph. Fastball command is below-average and needs refinement. Pitch lacks movement and does not miss as many bats as you would expect given his velocity. Will also show a sinker. Potential plus-to-better offering with refined command. Slider: 84-88 mph. Pitch will show hard, late break at its best. Struggles to consistently locate the pitch and get on top of it due to his delivery. Potential average offering. Changeup: 88-90 mph. On the firm side and lacks separation from his fastball. On occasion, will show good fade. Flashes average potential. Split-Finger Fastball: Reportedly started throwing at the 2020 Fall Instructional League. Career Notes: Acquired by the Red Sox from the Mets as a part of the three-team Andrew Benintendi trade in February 2021. Mets acquired him from the Blue Jays in January 2021 as part of a trade for Steven Matz. Originally drafted out of Estero HS (Ohio) in 2016 and signed away from a commitment to Florida Southwestern State. Spent three seasons in short-season and another in Class A, while still being relatively young for his level, as he climbed the ladder. Missed time in 2019 with a finger injury that lingered and impacted his stuff throughout the year. Was left unprotected and went unselected in the 2020 Rule 5 Draft. Summation: Intriguing arm who needs to work on his arsenal and command. Has the velocity you look for, but still learning how to pitch and harness his stuff. Secondary pitches lag behind and need significant refinement. Slider shows the most potential right now. Fastball/slider combination could profile well in a bullpen role. Needs to refine his arsenal and find a consistent secondary to have a chance to remain in the starting rotation.

Top FAs Remaining (as ranked by MLBTR) 11. Jake Odorizzi 21. Jackie Bradley Jr. 23. Taijuan Walker 27. Trevor Rosenthal 46. Rick Porcello 47. Cole Hamels Honorable Mentions: Brett Gardner, Shane Greene & Jeremy Jeffress Could Bloom have done better by waiting to score some of these guys at rock bottom discount rates, or will these guys sign soon for reasonable prices?

Thanks. That makes more sense, why he's #14 on our list. I still think TBR they could have gotten Mazza & Springs for nothing.

Bloom's farm building: (soxprospects.com's rankings) 2. Downs (with Verdugo & Wong in Betts trade) 9. Seabold (with Pivetta in Workman/Hembree trade) 13. Yorke (2020 draft) 14. Hernandez (Mazza/Springs trade) 16. Rosario (Moreland trade) 18. Potts (Moreland trade) 20. Jordan (2020 draft) 21. Wong (Betts trade) 24. Wallace (Pillar trade) 26. Araus (Rule 5 2019) 28. German (with Ottavino trade) 32. Whitlock (Rule 5 2020) 33. Winckowski (with Cordero & 3 PTBNL in Beni + cash trade) 35. Drohan (Draft 2020) 39. Koss (Aybar trade) 41. Bleis (IFA 2020) 2 PTBNL from KC (Beni) 1 PTBNL from NYM (Beni>K Lee) ML Roster Additions Still on the 40 Man Roster (non prospects): Verdugo (Betts trade) Richards (FA) Hernandez (FA) Renfroe (FA) Ottavino (Trade) Pivetta (Workman/Hembree trade) Cordero (Beni Trade) Perez (FA) Sawamuta (FA) Arroyo (Waivers) Plawecki (FA) Valdez (Waivers) Brice (Santos trade)

MLBTR... The Red Sox were among the teams in attendance for free-agent righty Chaz Roe’s bullpen session over the weekend, Chris Cotillo of MassLive.com tweets. The 34-year-old reliever spent the previous three-plus seasons in Tampa Bay and is familiar with Red Sox chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom, who used to be a Rays executive. Roe threw only 9 1/3 innings in 2020, but he was overall a solid bullpen option as a member of the Rays, with whom he pitched to a 3.54 ERA/3.73 SIERA in 119 1/3 frames.

Me, too, and I bet some services have it that way. Fabian might be a good get, too. Please, no HS kid.

Sogard misses the top 60. Didn't someone say Hernandez was top 10 on the Rays list?

I never count the Rays out, but on paper, but they took a big hit. The Jays improved but still lack pitching. The Yanks appeared to have stayed about even. The O's went from bad to worse. The Sox got significantly better but starting from last place makes it hard to determine where we end up.

The deal makes. Very little sense, but it shows how GMs view players and prospects much differently than others. Maybe TB sees something in these two- maybe an adjustment here or there that will turn them into their next gems. I don’t see it, but I’m half blind.

The Rays always surprise but when you compare player to player. We look better, even figuring for injuries. No Snell, Morton or Chirinos. It will be close.

To get anyone for those two scrubs is a steal! With Vaz only having 2 years of team control left, boosting the catcher depth chart can’t hurt, although this kid will not be ready in 2 years- if ever.

ALE wins 97 Yankees 88 Jays 85 Sox 84 Rays 52 O’s We lost power again- maybe rolling blackouts. Water is back.

Well, Vaz is not a great hitter, but he is one of the greatest hitting catchers, today. He's had 2 very good years a decent one, for a catcher, out of the last 4 seasons: .801 in '20 .798 in '19 .735 in '17 I didn't comment on the pitching, because there was nothing to add. edit: I didn't notice you comment on Verdugo.

Verdugo is just 24 and has this line in his last 163 games (2019+2020): .300/.351/.476/.827 Hardly ordinary and on the upswing of his career. Vaz is one of baseball's best hitting catchers. He has 30 HRs and a .798 OPS in his last 655 ABs (2019+2020) Not really ordinary. Dalbec has yet to prove himself. I agree our defense sucks, but Verdugo is a plus OF'er and EHern has very good numbers in CF. Too bad, he may not play there much. My guess is Dalbec will end up a plus at 1B in 2021. I'm not a big fan of Vaz behind the plate.

Weird how we were 10th oldest with only Brasier at age 32 and everyone else at 31 or younger. We used 30 pitchers in a 60 game season. 1 @ 32 (Brasier) 6 @ 31 (only Walden remains and may not pitch in MLB, this year) 5 @ 30 (only Eovaldi & Barnes remain)

Bloom barely spent anything, last winter. He spent much more, this winter, but he had so many holes in the 40 man roster that spending large and long on one guy would have meant leaving a few slots for guys like Springs, Payamps and Mazza. Plus, IMO, Bauer, Springer and Realmutto were not the blue chippers you go all out to get. Maybe none are available, next winter either, and I know you are not for just spending on the best available just for the sake of spending and getting a little better at the expense of the future. Look at all the slots Bloom filled this winter with a relatively small spending budget: Richards Ottavino E Hernandez Renfroe Gonzalez Andriese Cordero Sawamura Whitlock Non 40 man: F German J Winckowski C Koss 3 PTBNL (from KCR & NYM) Last summer: Pivetta Seabold Potts Rosario non 40 man: Wallace We can haggle over any one move or small group of moves, but with all the slots needed filling, with the spending budget given, I'm not sure we could have done all that much better. Had we signed Odorizzi ($13M x 3) and JBJ ($9M x 2) and had to offset those signings elsewhere, we'd be left with several holes unfilled.

Free agency is not the only way to spend money. If ERod looks healthy, extending him is one way to spend rather large and somewhat long. As for FAs: Some are old- some are better than Bauer and much better than Odorizzi: Syndergaard Kershaw Scherzer Verlander Greinke Lynn, McCullers RP: K Jansen Familia Knebel A Bradley R Iglesias Non pitchers: OF: Conforto, Pham, S Marte 1B: F Freeman, A Rizzo SS: Lindor, Correa

He's not worth $8M/1, so why pay it? Pillar at $5M would have been better and cheaper. I still think RP'er or 2B are the only two slots worth filling while staying under the tax line by $1-2M.

I could see that as making sense but not for JBJ. I guess with JBJ or Odorizzi, if we sucked at the deadline, we could make enough trades to get back under.

True, I wouldn't say we are young, but we have very few old players and none way beyond prime. Ottavino is 35 and is a FA after this year. JD is 33- not far from prime. Brasier is 33 and not a key piece to the team. Richards is 32 with low mileage and an option year in 2022. Sale is just 31 with high mileage. Andriese is 31- not a key piece. Eovaldi is 30 and has 2 years left. Barnes is 30- last year of control. Vaz is 30 and has an option for 2022. EHern, Perez, Plawecki & Valdez are 29. Renfroe & Bogey are 28. ERod, Taylor & Pivetta 27 Dalbec, Chavis, Arroyo & Cordero are 26. Verdugo, Devers, DHern,Whitlock & Houck are 24. No major pieces to the 2021 team are under 24.

I agree. I'm not expecting much more than a mild run at the wild card slot, but we could do much better than that (or a bit worse). There is a lot to watch with many subplots. Getting to see some prospects later in the year could be exciting, too. I'm thinking Devers, Verdugo and Bogey could have career years in 2021. Maybe just one or two do, but I'm guessing at least one does. Dalbec could compete for ROY. EHern will be fun to watch. Renfroe, Cordero, Vaz and others all can do well. Our pitching looks questionable in many areas but there is a lot of chances for good to very good years from 6-8 pitchers and decenct years from another 4-6 pitchers. Our defense is the only area where we look to be not only worse from last year but as bad as we've been in a long time. I don't need to see 94 wins to enjoy watching, and in some ways, it might have been harder to watch a high expectation team like the 2019 team win 84 games, than this team win 81. It makes it easier, for me, knowing that the future is brighter. The future did not look brighter in 2019.