Bellhorn04
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I don't think you're completely getting my position. Of course keeping Sale would have been a gamble - with a big potential payoff like the one we're seeing so far. And what did we gain by passing up that gamble? A 10 million dollar payroll reduction, and a prospect. Not enough, IMHO.
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The way I see it, if the Yankees, Dodgers or other current big spending teams were in the same position as we were with Sale, they wouldn't have traded him. They would have said "f*** it, let's keep him and hope we get lucky".
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To me the bottom line is that Sale's fWAR per inning has remained good through those injury-ravaged and abbreviated seasons with us. The hilarious one is 2022, when he registered a 0.2 fWAR in 5.2 IP. Even that extrapolates well.
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I do think Henry must respect Cora as a manager, to bring him back after a (well-deserved) suspension.
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Booser has actually been outstanding. 2.84 FIP, 1.12 WHIP, 6.2 K/BB. For a guy no one had ever heard of. Major props for this one.
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Craig Breslow hired as Head Of Baseball Operations
Bellhorn04 replied to Tedballgame's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
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I also think Mr. Alex Cora is doing a sensational job this year. It would be a feel-good story if they announced an extension for him.
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I also like the "future signings" of Hendriks and Fulmer. And his dumpster dive signings of Booser, who has been pretty damn good, and Anderson and Keller, who have been adequate innings chewers. And with no Breslow we might have no Bailey. I'm not down on Breslow at all, and as I much as I go on about the Sale trade, I suspect that had a lot to do with making everything fit into the tight budget he was so rudely given.
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Because notin said "fWAR for his IP". An fWAR of 2 for 100 innings means you pitched very well. I was just extrapolating to show what that would be for a full season.
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OK, they all pitched well. That would be 3+ WAR for 150 innings, 3.5+ for 175 innings. What else is there to say about it?
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Not wanting to extend Sale is a total strawman. It's got nothing to do with what I'm saying. I've tried to address that point several times but you just ignore it.
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Show your work, please.
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You can do just about anything when you start chopping up the numbers to suit your bias.
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You're cherry-picking Sale's season instead of looking at the total data the way we're supposed to. He probably had some rustiness at the start and fatigue at the end. His total numbers were very good, end of story. And I think you're wrong that no one would have taken Paxton back on a modest deal like the one he signed.
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I keep hearing Sale pitched badly in 2019. That's ********, unless you're an Old Schooler who only looks at W-L and ERA. In 147.1 innings he had a 3.6 fWAR. His xFIP was 2.93. His K/BB was 6 to 1. If you keep saying he pitched badly that year, as Sam Kennedy might put it, you're lying.
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The frustration is with the men running the team.
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That's simply wrong, off the charts wrong in fact. His fWAR was always very good for the innings he pitched.
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I guess we have to keep pointing out that the Red Sox had a club option on Sale for 2025. That combined with Sale's age and injury risk would make offering an extension irrational. This is just deflecting from the real issue of whether it made sense to trade him.
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The answer, which should be obvious, is that there are different types of risk. The risk with Giolito was performance risk, after being a batting practice pitcher for the last two months of the season.
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And on the face of it, Giolito was an extremely risky investment of $38 million after his disastrous finish to 2023. It's hilarious that the Braves are potentially getting 3 years of Sale for the same net cost as the Sox are paying for potentially 1 year of Giolito.
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I perfectly understand that a lot of Sox fans were fed up with Sale and happy to see him go. But the guys that run the team aren't supposed to think like the fans.
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It's neither. I didn't "expect" it, but I thought there was a decent chance of it because he finished last year healthy and reasonably effective. TJ surgery is incredibly common now, and some of Sale's injuries were s*** luck. And his attitude never wavered. I thought he might be due for some better luck. I'll say it again - there was no real reason to make this trade. We got another middle infield prospect out of it. Big deal. It was another mid-market type move.
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I agree, Denny. Being 14 games behind the Yanks at this point SHOULD BE depressing. Times have changed in some ways.
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Yeah, I think moon's a little in denial with "several".
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I dunno, I was reading some comments by a guy who was at the game last night. He was surrounded by chanting Yankee fans in the stands and on his way out of the park. He said he's a long time ticket buyer and he's never experienced it anywhere near as bad as it was last night.
