Max, why can't you just stick to the actual point that's being presented? The point isn't that he's supposed to magically turn marginal talent into All-Stars, but a good pitching coach turns good but flawed talent into great talent, as the Cardinals/Pirates are so adept at doing. I'll give any pitching coach a mulligan on Buchholz, but anyone and everyone knew Kelly was a reliever, and a lot of other guys keep underperforming their talent/peripherals on this team. Some of that has to go towards the pitching coach.