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    Who’s the Red Sox Third Baseman? It's Messy


    Davy Andrews

    After two days of dueling quotes, we have a much better idea of who wants what and how things are likely to turn out. But that doesn't mean that things will go smoothly.

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    So maybe you were busy on Monday and Tuesday. Monday was a holiday, and maybe you just took Tuesday off from paying attention to spring training. That would be totally fine. Very little that truly matters is happening right now. However, if you love drama, then I’m so sorry for your loss, because the past two days were extremely weird and messy. Allow me to catch you up.

    On Monday, the Red Sox had a meeting from 9:00 AM to 10:30 AM. Then practice started. Around 12:30, Rafael Devers – simultaneously one of the league’s best overall third basemen and the league’s absolute worst third base defender – took questions from reporters alongside translator Daveson Perez. Let me hit you with some highlights:

    “My position is third base.”

    Asked Dan Shaughnessy, if the team asked Devers to DH, would he do it?

    “No. I play third.”

    What if they insisted?

    “No.”

    Devers then revealed that Craig Breslow and Alex Cora had met with him on Friday to broach the subject of moving to DH.

    “They asked me the question about how I feel about DH, and yeah, I gave them the answer I just gave: ‘No.’”

    What about first base?

    “No.”

    First of all, let’s give Devers credit for honesty. He wants to play third base. He believes he can hold the position down. He’s being direct and honest. Second, he said plenty of other, less grabby things. He said, “We all know that this team drafted me and I’ve been here my entire career and I am Boston Red Sox through and through….I’m open to listening and hearing what they have to say moving forward.” He also said that when he signed his 10-year deal in January 2023, it was to play third base: “That was definitely what was discussed when I signed, that I would be playing this position for a long time.” He went on, “I believe people’s word and I take it to heart, so it was very surprising that they would suggest that [moving to DH]. Since the beginning, I have known that this is a business and I’ve known that each side is going to do what’s comfortable to them. I don’t think that this is the right way to do business.”

    For the most part, Alex Cora and Alex Bregman, the two other main characters, did their best to defuse the situation. Cora declined to comment on Devers’ comments on Monday. Then on Tuesday, he repeatedly touted the strength of his relationship with Devers. He told reporters that he’d invited both Bregman and Devers over to his house to chat for 45 minutes on Monday night. After batting practice, Devers and Bregman fist bumped in full view of the writers.

    In the afternoon, Bregman offered reporters a grand bouquet of bland affirmations: “I’m super excited just to be his teammate. He’s a great player. I think everybody in this clubhouse is worried about winning….I’ll play wherever AC tells me to play.” He kept talking for quite a while, but you get the point. Bregman has never been the most genuine player when it comes to addressing the public, and he came out and said all the things you’d expect while dodging the question of where he thinks he should play. Masataka Yoshida, who would be the odd man out were Devers to move to DH, chimed in: “My job is to give it all my best, whatever my job calls for. If that is to DH or that is to play the outfield, I’m giving it my best.” It sounded like the drama was just about over.

    Then things got hairy again. Speaking about Devers, Cora said, “He feels like he’s a third baseman.” This is an incredible quote. Cora could have just said that Devers is a third baseman. He would’ve been telling the truth. He could have just said the obvious, that Bregman is literally a reigning Gold Glover. Instead, he went with feels like. It’s a work of passive-aggressive artistry.

    Cora didn’t stop there. When asked about the promises made to Devers, he got right to the heart of the matter, “Different people here, right? There’s a different leader here. Chaim [Bloom] is in St. Louis right now.” That’s not mincing words, and it’s not accidentally getting passive-aggressive. It’s saying very clearly that the Red Sox do not in any way feel bound by the promises they made to Devers. I don’t think that’s an indefensible argument, but I do think that Devers has every right to be hurt by it.

    I have my own opinion about how the Red Sox should handle the situation and what the best infield configuration would look like. I’m sure you have yours too. We’re also working with incomplete information, because the injury component – when the shoulders of both Devers and Yoshida will be healthy enough for them to play at 100% – no doubt affects the team’s calculus, and that’s not public knowledge. However, Cora has now made it very clear that the team wants Bregman at third and Devers at DH. That means a couple things. It means Yoshida will either be playing in the outfield or not at all. It means that the team expects either Vaughn Grissom or Kristian Campbell to play second base and play it well. It means the team expects Trevor Story to stay healthy and perform at shortstop, which at this point would be a major surprise. This is purely speculation, but I think we have to at least entertain the possibility that the Red Sox never really considered playing Bregman at second base; that they always figured they’d find a way to move Devers off third.

    So that’s where things stand as of Wednesday morning, but there’s also one more puzzle piece. So far, the collection of quotes I’ve shown you has been messy, but as is his wont, Triston Casas jumped into the fray and took the whole situation from drama to locker room farce. Visibly smirking, Casas told reporters: ““I think it’s Raffy Devers’s position. I think he’s the third baseman and at that point that’s where it stands. He’s done it for a really long time now and I think he’s only getting better at that position. I think his defense is getting better every single year.”

    Casas continued, calling Devers, “the best third baseman in the league,” and saying that Bregman should play second base. “I think he’s going to make the transition well. I think he’s athletic enough to.”

    This is very tricky situation. The Red Sox are bound to Devers for a very long time. Despite his glove, he’s still the best player on the team, and they have not yet figured out how to handle the situation without hurting him. Still, it's hard to imagine Devers staying at third base if Brelsow and Cora want him elsewhere. The situation might stay messy for a while. It will certainly be resolved one way or another by Opening Day. In the meantime, at least we get to enjoy Triston Casas.  

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    50 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    All good points.  Cora will figure it out, but I have no idea how.  The fact that Devers is reportedly still having some shoulder issues could certainly play into it.

    Yes for sure... my post we assuming all thing equal with their health.  But that does make it more interesting... I think they are about the same age.... Bregman's body looks like its better designed to endure... and Devers has these should issues... so ?????

    Of course very little of this matters if Bregman takes off to a different team next year- then we've blown up our 3B position for very little long or mid-term value.  Another reason I'm probably inclined to keep Devers at 3B.  If Bregman is wanting to extend and be under Sox control for a few years... maybe you consider blowing the roster up a little more for him... but he's only committed to being a one year piece... so ???

    3 minutes ago, jad said:

    Yup.  Go for it.   And if the union strikes and we don't have baseball for a year, that's just the cost of doing business (i.e., lining the pockets of fat capitalists).

    LOL, the union is not going to go on strike because devers violated his contract. Geez..........

    57 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

    Wouldn't shoulder issues make it a smarter idea to move him to 1B, or, better yet, DH?

    Raffy hurt his right shoulder diving for a ball, but his left shoulder, which bothered all season came from swinging a bat? Either way his hard swings will come no matter where he plays.

    3 minutes ago, Old Red said:

    Raffy hurt his right shoulder diving for a ball, but his left shoulder, which bothered all season came from swinging a bat? Either way his hard swings will come no matter where he plays.

    Either way, 1B or DH would be less strenuous than 3rd.

    5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

    A good "selling point" for convincing Devers to DH or play 1

    No doubt a good selling point to you, but I doubt no selling point at all to Raffy. He’s more likely to get hurt taking those wild swings with the bat than anything else.

    6 minutes ago, Old Red said:

    No doubt a good selling point to you, but I doubt no selling point at all to Raffy. He’s more likely to get hurt taking those wild swings with the bat than anything else.

    Well, if he can't swing a bat without getting hurt than he's in the wrong sport.

    Shuffleboard maybe?

    10 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

    Well, if he can't swing a bat without getting hurt than he's in the wrong sport.

    Shuffleboard maybe?

    True, if he's bound to get hurt just swinging, then no much we can do about it.

    The "selling point" was more about easing his psyche.

    He can tell himself, he was moved due to injury and not suctitude.

     

    6 hours ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

    LOL, the union is not going to go on strike because devers violated his contract. Geez..........

    Manfred is already threatening a lockout in 2027, so I don’t think we’re getting a strike before then. 

    6 hours ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

    LOL, the union is not going to go on strike because devers violated his contract. Geez..........

    You really think the union would go along with this?  You really do?  Guy doesn't want to play a certain position? we bench him without pay.  We don't like a guy's attitude? Bench him without pay.  Guy doesn't get in perfect shape? Bench him without pay. Even the cowardly-ass unions I've been paart of (and you too, I imagine), would not accept that .    Actually, I'm pretty sure the ONLY place such idiotic discussions are taking plaace are on sports boards and in some minor-reporter's head.

    20 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

    A lot of the players have said that even during and after the 3b talk that they vibes are good. Threatening your most expensive player with the Disqualified List really tanks all those vibes. 

    It's always nice to reminded that I'm more level headed than most sports journalists even though some of my posts are pretty out there. Put Cotillo, McAdam or any number of beat writers in as CBO and the Red Sox become what we are seeing in the South Side of Chicago.

    You must have missed my reply first time around to this. I'll try again. Care to explain why Cotillo and McAdams deserves this ire? Considering you've posted both their tweets and stories on this forum down the years, its interesting that you now feel inclined to attack them. Cotillo twice in a week. The timing is interesting. I wonder what could have brought this on?

    The fact you've chosen to bring them up in the same conversation around clickbait articles, seems to indicate you're trying to link them? Or that you think these people all do the same job? Newsflash - they don't, and they don't hold the same value.

    And lets make no mistake about it, while I don't want to get in the way of your self-congratulatory moment, only a select group of people have the immense amount of varied skills needed to run a massive sports organisation. Why beat-writers are expected to be part of that group is beyond me, but they are by quite a degree of magnitude, more plugged in and with better access to information and people at the top, than fans that get their news from trawling Twitter could ever dream of. 👍

    17 minutes ago, Hitch said:

    If Devers' shoulder issues continue, there's every chance he has to start as a DH anyway. And if Bregman starts well at 3rd...its kinda resolved itself.

    When Arenado looked more likely to be this offseason's infielder/righty bat addition, I said the key reason for the acquisition was to signal the shift in the Sox' defensive structure -- going forward.

    As in: even if Arenado was cooked, he would ignite the transition of Devers to DH. And that would make it easier for all to accept a young, unproven prospect like Mayer or Campbell inheriting the hot corner.

    The same holds true if Bregman plays third this season, has a monster year and opts out. There's no going back.

    5 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

    When Arenado looked more likely to be this offseason's infielder/righty bat addition, I said the key reason for the acquisition was to signal the shift in the Sox' defensive structure -- going forward.

    As in: even if Arenado was cooked, he would ignite the transition of Devers to DH. And that would make it easier for all to accept a young, unproven prospect like Mayer or Campbell inheriting the hot corner.

    The same holds true if Bregman plays third this season, has a monster year and opts out. There's no going back.

    Completely agree. Once that move is made that's it.  Hopefully it's sooner rather than later.

    Likely won't help if Devers is moved off 3rd because he's booting it around.

    There are too many reasons the Sox are better with Bregman at 3B and Devers at DH or 1B for it not to happen.

    A possible pouting Devers aside, if the biggest issue involved with the move is where and when to play Yoshida, then maybe even that turns into a plus.

    (BTW, I still see some ways to play Yoshida without significantly benching any one player. The one who might see the most effect is Rafaela, but he can still get a lot of PAs in 2025.)

    Devers is clearly an endomorph.  Dude probably looks at a cupcake and gets fat.  He has to work twice as hard as everyone else just to look as soft as he is know.

     

    take that boy off 3rd and let him hit the weight room more often.  Both shoulders and his stat line will thank you for it

    17 hours ago, jad said:

    You really think the union would go along with this?  You really do?  Guy doesn't want to play a certain position? we bench him without pay.  We don't like a guy's attitude? Bench him without pay.  Guy doesn't get in perfect shape? Bench him without pay. Even the cowardly-ass unions I've been paart of (and you too, I imagine), would not accept that .    Actually, I'm pretty sure the ONLY place such idiotic discussions are taking plaace are on sports boards and in some minor-reporter's head.

    There’s a big difference between “not accepting” and going on strike…

    FTR I think the Sox are much better with Bregman at 2nd and Devers at 3rd. A healthy Story and a better Rafaela (if he’s can learn the position) grades out Devers defense closer to average there.  Campbell or Anthony can still break camp at a corner OF spot.

    this alignment allows you to build value up in Yoshida.  Who becomes much more tradeable if he stays healthy.  The guy isn’t a bad hitter, if healthy I can see him putting up a .800 OPS+
     

    I just happen to think they can be even a little better than that with Bregman at 3rd.

    if that’s the decision, and when the time comes the Sox brass sit down with Devers behind closed doors to tell him he’s either going to DH full time or part time.  It will happen and he will be fine.  Dude got confused, imagine being asked by reporters in a language you don’t speak if you are going to accept your wives divorce and sign the papers before she even told you she was leaving? You’d probably be a little jacked up, and combative too.  Devers dealt with it by laughing in frustration.  There’s a difference between hearing it from the Sox and hearing it from a translator.  
     

    for those of you who can see the Forrest for the trees, remember that when some Jacko goes off on Devers when he hits a slump this year or next at some point that they on that media teet.

    1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

    True, but do we know Devers will never change his mind? You gotta try.

    I think he will, but does it need to be today? Tomorrow? By opening day at the latest?

    Believe it or not, the overall defense might be BETTER with Devers at 3b.  Bregman is a terrific all around fielder who’s probably equal or better defensively at 2b than any of the Romy/Hammy/Grissom triumvirate.  
     

    Which set of players contributes to an overall better defense?

    1b: Casas

    2b; Hamilton/Grissom/Romy

    3b: Bregman

    Lf: Yoshida

    CF: Duran

    DH: Devers

     

    or

     

    1b: Casas

    2b: Bregman

    3b: Devers

    Lf: Duran

    Cf: Rafaela 

    DH:: Yoshida

    On 2/19/2025 at 8:16 AM, sk7326 said:

    Ultimately this is a good problem.  I kind of expect Devers to get a lot of starts at DH ultimately.  But Campbell's progress, Cora's communication ability and Bregman's bat will sort this all out.  

    i agree that this depends on how Campbell fares in ST.  If he looks ready then he will likely start at 2B and Devers becomes the DH.  Otherwise Bregman goes in at 2B and we suffer with Devers { I have a glove for no apparent reason} at 3B

    4 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

    FTR I think the Sox are much better with Bregman at 2nd and Devers at 3rd. A healthy Story and a better Rafaela (if he’s can learn the position) grades out Devers defense closer to average there.  Campbell or Anthony can still break camp at a corner OF spot.

    this alignment allows you to build value up in Yoshida.  Who becomes much more tradeable if he stays healthy.  The guy isn’t a bad hitter, if healthy I can see him putting up a .800 OPS+
     

    I just happen to think they can be even a little better than that with Bregman at 3rd.

    if that’s the decision, and when the time comes the Sox brass sit down with Devers behind closed doors to tell him he’s either going to DH full time or part time.  It will happen and he will be fine.  Dude got confused, imagine being asked by reporters in a language you don’t speak if you are going to accept your wives divorce and sign the papers before she even told you she was leaving? You’d probably be a little jacked up, and combative too.  Devers dealt with it by laughing in frustration.  There’s a difference between hearing it from the Sox and hearing it from a translator.  
     

    for those of you who can see the Forrest for the trees, remember that when some Jacko goes off on Devers when he hits a slump this year or next at some point that they on that media teet.

    Devers has been in MLB for 7.5 years. He could possibly improve his defense, but I'm not sure why we should expect that to happen. He has to have known this was an area of need for years.

    I will say, he has had some pretty long stretches where he looks okay to even decent on defense, but he tends to have periods of lost focus or whatever it is, where he basically sucks, bigtime, most notably with bad throws to 2B and 1B.

    We know Bregman is a top 3-8 defensive 3Bman and should remain there for a while longer.

    I don't see the benefit of forcing Campbell into an already very good and crowded OF, just to keep a poor defender at 3B. Anthony is already set to put the squeeze on Abreu & Rafaela, but creating a platoon with those two might work out very well. Benching them or trading them, so Yoshida can DH and Devers stay at 3B makes no sense, to me.

    There is not great rush, until we are ready to call up Campbell and or Anthony. We could probably go a while mixing and matching, whereby Yoshida, Rafaela, Abreu, Ref and others all get enough PAs to prove they need to keep playing or playing more often, by moving people around, but I'm not sure that is the best plan: Bregman at 2B and 3B, Devers at 3B and DH or 1B, casas at 1B or DH, Rafaela in CF and RF, Duran in LF and CF, and on and on....

    I'm fine with some shifting and platooning, but not a merry-go-round at nearly every position but catcher and SS.

    10 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

    i agree that this depends on how Campbell fares in ST.  If he looks ready then he will likely start at 2B and Devers becomes the DH.  Otherwise Bregman goes in at 2B and we suffer with Devers { I have a glove for no apparent reason} at 3B

    Campbell isn’t an option right now; he’s not on the roster.  We don’t even know of a good spring training will get him on the roster, let alone put him in the starting lineup…

    4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

    Devers has been in MLB for 7.5 years. He could possibly improve his defense, but I'm not sure why we should expect that to happen. He has to have known this was an area of need for years.

    I will say, he has had some pretty long stretches where he looks okay to even decent on defense, but he tends to have periods of lost focus or whatever it is, where he basically sucks, bigtime, most notably with bad throws to 2B and 1B.

    We know Bregman is a top 3-8 defensive 3Bman and should remain there for a while longer.

    I don't see the benefit of forcing Campbell into an already very good and crowded OF, just to keep a poor defender at 3B. Anthony is already set to put the squeeze on Abreu & Rafaela, but creating a platoon with those two might work out very well. Benching them or trading them, so Yoshida can DH and Devers stay at 3B makes no sense, to me.

    There is not great rush, until we are ready to call up Campbell and or Anthony. We could probably go a while mixing and matching, whereby Yoshida, Rafaela, Abreu, Ref and others all get enough PAs to prove they need to keep playing or playing more often, by moving people around, but I'm not sure that is the best plan: Bregman at 2B and 3B, Devers at 3B and DH or 1B, casas at 1B or DH, Rafaela in CF and RF, Duran in LF and CF, and on and on....

    I'm fine with some shifting and platooning, but not a merry-go-round at nearly every position but catcher and SS.

    im fine with him at 3rd with his bat, but im more than fine with him moving off.

    I don’t believe Devers can improve his defense without greatly putting his offensive production at risk.  He is better suited for either 1B or DH.  
     

     

    1 minute ago, notin said:

    Campbell isn’t an option right now; he’s not on the roster.  We don’t even know of a good spring training will get him on the roster, let alone put him in the starting lineup…

    The odds of one of him or Anthony breaking camp is very high IMO

    19 minutes ago, notin said:

    I think he will, but does it need to be today? Tomorrow? By opening day at the latest?

    Believe it or not, the overall defense might be BETTER with Devers at 3b.  Bregman is a terrific all around fielder who’s probably equal or better defensively at 2b than any of the Romy/Hammy/Grissom triumvirate.  
     

    Which set of players contributes to an overall better defense?

    1b: Casas

    2b; Hamilton/Grissom/Romy

    3b: Bregman

    Lf: Yoshida

    CF: Duran

    DH: Devers

     

    or

     

    1b: Casas

    2b: Bregman

    3b: Devers

    Lf: Duran

    Cf: Rafaela 

    DH:: Yoshida

    I would agree that the second option is not so bad.

    1 minute ago, notin said:

    I think it will take an injury for either one…

    I highly doubt it.  You have two top elite prospects mlb ready.  You risk

    losing the extra year of control and the draft pick if they end up winning ROY even if you keep them down.  And you’re not keeping them down for long.  
     

    I think one breaks camp, and one stays down in AAA.  




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