Tarik Skubal's Availability Poses An Interesting Red Sox Dilemma: Patience or Aggression?

I would not give up anywhere near the suggested offer, here.

I'd hesitate to just give Duran or one from Tolle/Early, let alone two. Arias would not be needed.

I might offer Garcia, Clarke and Sandlin. Maybe Campbell and Phillips.

1 hour ago, Hugh2 said:

Lets reverse course.   Lets say the Red Sox had to trade Crochet. 

Would you rather have 2 legit high end young MLB players? like Roman Anthony/Payton Tolle?

Or would you rather have a basket of prospects, none top 50 guys like Clarke/Garcia/Sandlin/Phillips?

 

ADD: I'm in no way shape or form suggesting Anthony would or should be part of any trade for any player with one year of control.  That is not the point of my post at all. 

What I want is not what I get. If someone offers DET more than what I suggested, let them have him.

If a reasonable extension was part of the deal, I'd give the proposed offer in a flash.

Skubal has 1 year: Crochet has 6. Had we not extended Crochet, what I'd want for him would depend on the position the team is in: total rebuild (top prospects- some maybe far away) to still in a window (ML players or ML ready top prospects.) I'm not sure about DET, but that team w/o Skubal should be in total rebuild mode.

16 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Detroit is never going to part with Skubal for just Duran no matter what math you use. 

More like Early plus either Tolle or Arias plus another.  For one year of Skubal.  

Worth it if you can extend Skubal, but thats no guarantee since it is Skubal’s decision.  
 

If he won’t extend, it’s not exactly unheard of. The Yankees, Orioles and Cubs all made blockbuster deals for Soto, Burns, and Tucker respectively only to watch each reach free agency after one year. Probably not what any of them hoped for, but it shows it’s not as easy as filling out a few forms to extend a player…

No extension: no trade.

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Early, Duran and Arias for Skubal? I'd do it if the Sox were given a 72 hour window to negotiate an extension or call the deal off. 

I don’t see Skubal being traded before the season, and unless Detroit coughs up the money I don’t see anyway Skubal doesn’t hit the open Market. I also don’t see the Red Sox paying what it would take to sign Skubal.

6 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

No extension: no trade.

What is Skubal’s incentive to extend?  All he has to do is stay healthy and the bidding war is going to break records for pitchers.

And even if he misses all of 2026, he probably still gets a QO and at his age, serious bidding starts a year later…

13 minutes ago, notin said:

What is Skubal’s incentive to extend?  All he has to do is stay healthy and the bidding war is going to break records for pitchers.

And even if he misses all of 2026, he probably still gets a QO and at his age, serious bidding starts a year later…

Exactly! Once Skubal hit the open market JH is not going to spend as much in that market as the BIG Boys would.

Skubal and Duran are both All-Stars.

Skubal has pitched two All-Star innings and given up two runs. Duran was the All-Star Game MVP!

Who else is Detroit giving us in that trade?

23 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Skubal and Duran are both All-Stars.

Skubal has pitched two All-Star innings and given up two runs. Duran was the All-Star Game MVP!

Who else is Detroit giving us in that trade?

Hold out for Riley Greene and the rights to all Motown proceeds…

35 minutes ago, Malcolm White said:

Abreu platoons because Cora platoons him.  He'll never get better sitting on the bench. Maybe if Ref retires Cora will realize Abreu is an everyday player.

Duran plays every day because Cora plays him every day, even with Duran's putrid .600 OPS vs. LHP. Abreu's was .676, btw, and Duran's is .620 career.  

Between that, and the delta in salary (Duran's $7.7M vs. Abreu's pre-arb $1M), Abreu's far superior defense and arm, plus better power, and I don't know why so many people think Duran is so much more valuable, esp. as a LF.  

Nothing against Duran, but I'd pump the brakes on thinking he's the centerpiece for a #2 starter without throwing in a lot extra. OTOH, a pre-arb Abreu makes ANY team's defense better for less than a mil a year.

Duran for a #2 starter as a standalone deal makes no sense. Any team acquiring Duran wants to get better now. Teams trying to get better now do not deal their #2 starter.  A third team is a necessity…

6 hours ago, Malcolm White said:

Abreu platoons because Cora platoons him.  He'll never get better sitting on the bench. Maybe if Ref retires Cora will realize Abreu is an everyday player.

Duran plays every day because Cora plays him every day, even with Duran's putrid .600 OPS vs. LHP. Abreu's was .676, btw, and Duran's is .620 career.  

Between that, and the delta in salary (Duran's $7.7M vs. Abreu's pre-arb $1M), Abreu's far superior defense and arm, plus better power, and I don't know why so many people think Duran is so much more valuable, esp. as a LF.  

Nothing against Duran, but I'd pump the brakes on thinking he's the centerpiece for a #2 starter without throwing in a lot extra. OTOH, a pre-arb Abreu makes ANY team's defense better for less than a mil a year.

Nobody knows what Abreu would do playing everyday, but there is only one way to find out. Duran is not going to be center piece for just everyone,but just one of the pieces. I think Duran would have had more value last off season than he does now.

1 hour ago, notin said:

What is Skubal’s incentive to extend?  

None. That's why this is all dreaming.

No way I'd give up what some are suggesting for one year.

Our window looks 3-4 years wide, to me... maybe longer.

4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Try new glasses. I have some rose tinted ones you can borrow.

The same kind that JH wears?

7 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Nobody knows what Abreu would do playing everyday, but there is only one way to find out. Duran is not going to be center piece for anyone, but just one of the pieces. I think Duran would have had more value last off season than he does now.

Duran can be a very significant "centerpiece," but more will be needed to get a real gem back.

Look what Taylor Ward brought back, yesterday. Ward turns 34 before the season begins. Last 3 years:

.241 BA (.323 OBP)

.443 SLG (.767 OPS)

14 SBs

Negative dWAR every season in MLB

Duran:

.276 BA (.339 OBP)

.471 SLG (.810 OPS)

82 SBs

Plus dWAR over 3 years but negative 3 yrs ago.

13 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Duran can be a very significant "centerpiece," but more will be needed to get a real gem back.

Look what Taylor Ward brought back, yesterday. Ward turns 34 before the season begins. Last 3 years:

.241 BA (.323 OBP)

.443 SLG (.767 OPS)

14 SBs

Negative dWAR every season in MLB

Duran:

.276 BA (.339 OBP)

.471 SLG (.810 OPS)

82 SBs

Plus dWAR over 3 years but negative 3 yrs ago.

Taylor ward turns 32 in a few weeks, and hit 36 bombs with 103 RBI last year, which probably is enticing to Baltimore, which gave up a often injured SP.🤔

Just now, Old Red said:

Taylor ward turns 32 in a few weeks, and hit 36 bombs with 103 RBI last year, which probably is enticing to Baltimore, which gave up a often injured SP.

Yes, he is a very good player with more HR power. His SLG% finally passed Duran's for a season, too.

Duran did worse than the year before despite being younger.

There are certainly advantages and pluses for both guys, but Duran has "centerpiece" value. The Ward trade was one for one!