Boston Red Sox Looking For An Upgrade Over Jarren Duran

[harmony]

On 11/12/2025 at 4:37 AM, Hugh2 said:

And that's why I loved the Bregman signing last year, but I wouldn't want to trade away the farm for a veteran presence.  And I get just trading Duran for Marte doesn't run the well dry. 

Just Baseball podcast discusses proposed trade of Jarren Duran and Peyton Tolle for Ketel Marte:

 

[Old Red]

7 hours ago, harmony said:

Just Baseball podcast discusses proposed trade of Jarren Duran and Peyton Tolle for Ketel Marte:

 

I don’t see the Red Sox trading any young pitching unless they are getting an established starter back.

[Hugh2]

16 hours ago, notin said:

The Sox paid Sandoval $18mill to play in another organization’s minor league system while he gorged himself on hot dogs.  So, ya know, precedent…

Ok, but just because something has happened doens't mean it's common practice.  

I also don't think these situations are completely similiar.  It's not like Yoshida is a negative value player, where's Pablo had completely fallen off a cliff and was hurting your team when he was in the field/lineup

[notin]

8 hours ago, harmony said:

Just Baseball podcast discusses proposed trade of Jarren Duran and Peyton Tolle for Ketel Marte:

 

Thats one of those trades that’s probably fair, but I’d be hesitant to include Tolle (or Early)…

[Hugh2]

8 hours ago, harmony said:

Just Baseball podcast discusses proposed trade of Jarren Duran and Peyton Tolle for Ketel Marte:

 

BTV accepts this trade as a minor overpay by Boston with Arizona receiving 12 million in surplus value. 

A Duran/ Juan Valera trade grades out as being more equal. 

[notin]

4 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Ok, but just because something has happened doens't mean it's common practice.  

I also don't think these situations are completely similiar.  It's not like Yoshida is a negative value player, where's Pablo had completely fallen off a cliff and was hurting your team when he was in the field/lineup

I’m just saying there’s precedent.  I’m still on the “Yoshida is my DH” train.  
 

But I don’t think Breslow is…

[notin]

2 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

BTV accepts this trade as a minor overpay by Boston with Arizona receiving 12 million in surplus value. 

A Duran/ Juan Valera trade grades out as being more equal. 

That trade I make.  But does Hazen?

[Hugh2]

17 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

From last season: 

Often, MLB players with certain types of contracts (especially international signings or veterans) can negotiate clauses that prevent teams from demoting them to the minor leagues without their approval.

In Yoshida’s case, the Red Sox can’t officially option him to the minors after his 20-day rehab stint unless he agrees to it.

So, if he does not agree to it, he becomes a free agent? in which case another team signs him and the Sox are on the hook for the full 18 million. 

Why not get at least 4-5 million relief if they could? 

[Hugh2]

Just now, notin said:

That trade I make.  But does Hazen?

If they really liked Valera, I think they may consider it.  Also, who does Arizona have to slide into 2nd? Blaze Alexander?

[Hugh2]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

I’m just saying there’s precedent.  I’m still on the “Yoshida is my DH” train.  
 

But I don’t think Breslow is…

I don't disagree, but I also don't know if Breslow has the balls to attach a prospect to dump his contract. 

[drewski6]

28 minutes ago, notin said:

Thats one of those trades that’s probably fair, but I’d be hesitant to include Tolle (or Early)…

Can we bait and switch in Harrison?

[drewski6]

27 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

So, if he does not agree to it, he becomes a free agent? in which case another team signs him and the Sox are on the hook for the full 18 million. 

Why not get at least 4-5 million relief if they could? 

Good point.  Ill take Yoshida in the minors (to start the season) over the 4-5 mil (injuries will happen) but Im obvs taking the 4-5 mil relief over a handshake and a no-hard feelings  let him go into free-agency with us on the hook for the whole salary.

[Hugh2]

18 hours ago, drewski6 said:

Hes an elite hitter, we dont have anything close.  Hes not just a DH.  Papi wasnt a luxury when he was here. He was needed.  A masher is needed.

I dont think its easy to trade for an elite bat. Im interested tho if thats an option.  You arent getting one for a quantity over quality of prospects tho, and you arent getting one from a team looking to compete.

I've had a full nights rest to think about this, and a full cup of coffee to start the morning. 

If under the right scenario the Sox could ditch Yoshida and his contract I would absolutely LOVE Schwarber back here in the DH role. 

I wonder if 4/135 get's it done. 

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I've had a full nights rest to think about this, and a full cup of coffee to start the morning. 

If under the right scenario the Sox could ditch Yoshida and his contract I would absolutely LOVE Schwarber back here in the DH role. 

I wonder if 4/135 get's it done. 

To much money to spend on just a DH for JH IMO.

[Hugh2]

One concern I'd still have with Schwarber is if we are bidding against Dave D then we all know when he wants someone he just throws money at them.  How badly does Philly want Schwarber back?

[Hugh2]

Just now, Old Red said:

To much money to spend on just a DH for JH IMO.

agreed, but it's also 2026-2029 and he is an elite MOTO bat. 

If he was younger I'd be willing to pay less AAV and increase the years. 

It's still not my first choice for roster contstruction this offseason but I certainly wouldn't hate it. 

[notin]

41 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

So, if he does not agree to it, he becomes a free agent? in which case another team signs him and the Sox are on the hook for the full 18 million. 

Why not get at least 4-5 million relief if they could? 

Or.. why not keep him since the Sox need offense, he can hit, and very few hitters cost $4-5mill?

[notin]

23 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Can we bait and switch in Harrison?

But I’ve already gotten Breslow and Dombrowski together to agree on a deal of Harrison for 3b Alec Bohm.  I don’t know why I did that.  Just bored I guess.

Anyway, that means Harrison is spoken for…

[Old Red]

15 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

agreed, but it's also 2026-2029 and he is an elite MOTO bat. 

If he was younger I'd be willing to pay less AAV and increase the years. 

It's still not my first choice for roster contstruction this offseason but I certainly wouldn't hate it. 

I think Flintstone will stay in Phillie anyway.

[notin]

18 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

One concern I'd still have with Schwarber is if we are bidding against Dave D then we all know when he wants someone he just throws money at them.  How badly does Philly want Schwarber back?

11 out of 10, according to my non-existent sources

[mvp 78]

54 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

So, if he does not agree to it, he becomes a free agent? in which case another team signs him and the Sox are on the hook for the full 18 million. 

Why not get at least 4-5 million relief if they could? 

Yes, why not get some relief if they could? 

[notin]

4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Yes, why not get some relief if they could? 

Because ther need offense and the guy can hit and Schwarber doesn’t play the infield?

[moonslav59]

18 hours ago, drewski6 said:

Name one that is available

These might be the biggest but maybe not big enugh:

FA

Bichette 28

Tucker 29 (trade 2 OF'ers?

Naylor 29

G Torres 29

T Grisham 29

Bellinger just turned 30

Trade:

Paredes 26/27 (talk here in HOU, they are looking to trade him or Walker.)

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, notin said:

Because ther need offense and the guy can hit and Schwarber doesn’t play the infield?

Is Casas or Alonso better on D at 1B the KS?

KS may have played 1B had Harper not needed to be there.

[moonslav59]

26 minutes ago, notin said:

Or.. why not keep him since the Sox need offense, he can hit, and very few hitters cost $4-5mill?

We need a power upgrade and have 3 obvious positions to choose from:

1B

2B/3B (Mayer at the other)

DH

If we could find a taker for Masa at a savings of $5-6M x 2 years, then pay $30+M for Schwarber, the net cost is about $25M.

I also see Casas as the heir apparent DH, so I'd prefer a 1Bman, but Schwarber and Casas could share horrible defense stories at 1B, going forward.

The gain from Masa to Schwarber or Alonso (Casas to DH over Masa) would be enormous, especially in terms of power.

[notin]

28 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

These might be the biggest but maybe not big enugh:

FA

Bichette 28

Tucker 29 (trade 2 OF'ers?

Naylor 29

G Torres 29

T Grisham 29

Bellinger just turned 30

Trade:

Paredes 26/27 (talk here in HOU, they are looking to trade him or Walker.)

Talk everywhere else is the Astros have no interest in dealing Paredes

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/11/astros-gm-no-interest-in-trading-isaac-paredes.html

[moonslav59]

Dana Brown was on a talkshow here and kinda beat around the bush on Paredes, as he did on C Walker, too, who seems like an obvious dump choice.

[notin]

4 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

If they really liked Valera, I think they may consider it.  Also, who does Arizona have to slide into 2nd? Blaze Alexander?

Jordan Lawlor is another option...

[drewski6]

4 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

One concern I'd still have with Schwarber is if we are bidding against Dave D then we all know when he wants someone he just throws money at them.  How badly does Philly want Schwarber back?

Of course there is a walk away point and yeah if hte bidding gets nutty, we have to walk.  We'll see

[drewski6]

4 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

These might be the biggest but maybe not big enugh:

FA

Bichette 28

Tucker 29 (trade 2 OF'ers?

Naylor 29

G Torres 29

T Grisham 29

Bellinger just turned 30

Trade:

Paredes 26/27 (talk here in HOU, they are looking to trade him or Walker.)

Of this list only Tucker is in Scwharbers league , hitting wise.  And I dont see that happening.  Im interested in Paredes, but hes not a big enough bat.