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One way or another, and whether it be at this trade deadline or sometime down the road, the San Diego Padres seem adamant to pry Jarren Duran away from the Boston Red Sox.
 

Earlier today, Sean McAdam of MassLive provided yet another update between the two clubs. The Padres offered the Red Sox a package including SP Dylan Cease, C Ethan Salas and another prospect (not SS Leo de Vries) in exchange for Duran, which was “quickly rejected,” McAdam later adds that while it's likely Duran is eventually traded, it's "unlikely" to happen this summer.

Would you have taken the deal the Padres offered? Join the conversation in the comments!


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That deal could work on BTV, meaning it’s fair by their standards.  Clearly, Breslow is aiming higher than “fair.”

Duran has a surplus value of $47mill.  Salas has a surplus value of $32mill.  Cease has a surplus value of $10mill.  RHP Kash Mayfield ($4.5mill) makes it about as even as could be.

But as Breslow has plenty of time to figure out what to do with Duran, he clearly has no plans to just take best offer…

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8 minutes ago, notin said:

That deal could work on BTV, meaning it’s fair by their standards.  Clearly, Breslow is aiming higher than “fair.”

Duran has a surplus value of $47mill.  Salas has a surplus value of $32mill.  Cease has a surplus value of $10mill.  RHP Kash Mayfield ($4.5mill) makes it about as even as could be.

But as Boston has plenty of time to figure out what to do with Duran, he clearly has no plans to just take best offer…

To me Duran is worth more right now than what the Padres are offering.  Salas and Cease don't help at all.   

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Cease is a bad choice due to his high walk rate and his inconsistent dominance.  When a guy throws up a low H/9 he is considered dominant.  If his walk rate is high then he must produce a very low H/9 to keep his WHIP near 1.0 to 1.1.  Cease alternates years where his dominance is present.  In 2021 and 2022 it was excellent but in 2023 it was very average.  In 2024, it was good and in 2025 it's average again.  Giving up a Duran to get an inconsistent pitcher makes absolutely no sense especially since he is the critical lead-off man and Center Fielder.  It's easy to understand why Breslow gave an immediate no.

I keep suggesting putting Abreu in deals since he's a platoon player and Rafaela should be the RFer since he's far better than Abreu on defense and Duran is a far better CFer than Abreu so he's basically the odd man out if we are going to use Anthony in LF.  Maybe Abreu could beat out Yoshida as DH but since he can't hit lefties as well as Yoshida, he is nothing more than a late inning pinch hitter on a regular basis since he can't hit lefties.  There is a lot of hype about him in BOS but I'm not sure any other fan base would see him as anything more than a platoon hitter so maybe he isn't going to have much value in a trade.  But that's exactly why you don't trade the actual "valuable guy" in a deal if you are trying to win a pennant and world series.

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On 7/25/2025 at 10:06 AM, Maxbialystock said:

To me Duran is worth more right now than what the Padres are offering.  Salas and Cease don't help at all.   

Cease is a definite help.  Even in his down year, hes better than Buehler.  And with potential to be elite, as his track record suggests.

But he’s only short term.  I wouldn’t give 3 years of Duran up for 2 months of Cease and the hope that 18yo Ethan Salas can make it worthwhile…

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1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Duran has definitely re-elevated his game, and at this point in time trading him seems like a pretty darn bad idea.

Or… does it make it the perfect time to trade him?  I mean, isn’t selling high normally considered a good idea?  

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On 7/25/2025 at 10:24 AM, Soxlover said:

Trading Duran for a rental would be stupid!

Agreed.

But what about for a non-rental?

Posted
16 minutes ago, notin said:

Or… does it make it the perfect time to trade him?  I mean, isn’t selling high normally considered a good idea?  

Selling him high would’ve been this past off season. 

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14 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Selling him high would’ve been this past off season. 

Got to find the new high.  The logic can’t be “well we missed it.  Guess we keep him forever and trade Roman instead”…

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11 minutes ago, notin said:

Got to find the new high.  The logic can’t be “well we missed it.  Guess we keep him forever and trade Roman instead”…

Or you can literally keep both. There isn’t a need to trade Duran, unless an offer you can’t pass on comes up. 

Posted
46 minutes ago, notin said:

Agreed.

But what about for a non-rental?

I’ve suggested several Duran and Abreu trades for controlled pitchers, but I really hate the idea. It’s out of a greater need.

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7 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Or you can literally keep both. There isn’t a need to trade Duran, unless an offer you can’t pass on comes up. 

They probably will keep both.  But the point was just because they didn’t trade him this past season didnt mean they can no longer sell high on him.  And while there is no need, they do appear to be talking.

That they passed up Cease and Salas strongly suggests they’re not moving him just for the best offer they get.

Interesting to me is that the Dodgers could clearly use Duran and have expressed interest, the Sox are interested in Rushing, the two players align pretty well on BTV, but no mention of this proposal anywhere.   So again, it’s looking like the Sox need to be blown away to deal him…

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A couple of my quick, but sensible, opinions:  Trading Duran would be crazy. He is one of the keys to any success this team will have in the stretch run.    Also, the talk that the Sox might make the playoffs, but they could not advance very far and would be quickly eliminated makes no sense at all. Aside from the crapshoot nature of the playoffs, there is not a single team in the A.L. that the Red Sox would not stack up well against in the post season. Finally, I think that Breslow will be able to add at least a couple of helpful additions at the deadline without giving up anything too substantial. 

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6 minutes ago, Soxlover said:

I’ve suggested several Duran and Abreu trades for controlled pitchers, but I really hate the idea. It’s out of a greater need.

 

Just now, dgalehouse said:

A couple of my quick, but sensible, opinions:  Trading Duran would be crazy. He is one of the keys to any success this team will have in the stretch run.    Also, the talk that the Sox might make the playoffs, but they could not advance very far and would be quickly eliminated makes no sense at all. Aside from the crapshoot nature of the playoffs, there is not a single team in the A.L. that the Red Sox would not stack up well against in the post season. Finally, I think that Breslow will be able to add at least a couple of helpful additions at the deadline without giving up anything too substantial. 

The only regular it would be nice to move would be Yoshida, unless they can get his 5’1” frame to become useful as a 1b.

I do think the Sox have to give up something substantial from the minors.  Especially for a rotation upgrade, unless they just get a cheap filler rental…

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I feel like we have to do something significant, perhaps two deals. I’d hate to trade top prospects, so that leaves Duran or Abreu 

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2 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

When it comes to Cease, please Desist.

I’d love to add Cease. But not for Duran.  Maybe Sandlin?  Possibly go as high as Early? Definite pass if the price is Arias, Tolle and maybe even Password…

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1 minute ago, notin said:

I’d love to add Cease. But not for Duran.  Maybe Sandlin?  Possibly go as high as Early? Definite pass if the price is Arias, Tolle and maybe even Password…

Romero and Sandlin

Posted
2 minutes ago, notin said:

I’d love to add Cease. But not for Duran.  Maybe Sandlin?  Possibly go as high as Early? Definite pass if the price is Arias, Tolle and maybe even Password…

That would reduce my desistance.

Posted
23 minutes ago, notin said:

They probably will keep both.  But the point was just because they didn’t trade him this past season didnt mean they can no longer sell high on him.  And while there is no need, they do appear to be talking.

That they passed up Cease and Salas strongly suggests they’re not moving him just for the best offer they get.

Interesting to me is that the Dodgers could clearly use Duran and have expressed interest, the Sox are interested in Rushing, the two players align pretty well on BTV, but no mention of this proposal anywhere.   So again, it’s looking like the Sox need to be blown away to deal him…

There is a lot of people refuting that Salas/Cease offer ever even happened and im not even sure that offer is all that good anyway. Cease is a rental having a down year and Salas is having a horrendous year and is dealing with a back injury. I get he’s really young but he hasn’t shown anything with the bat the past two seasons. 

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On 7/27/2025 at 11:56 AM, dgalehouse said:

A couple of my quick, but sensible, opinions:  Trading Duran would be crazy. He is one of the keys to any success this team will have in the stretch run.    Also, the talk that the Sox might make the playoffs, but they could not advance very far and would be quickly eliminated makes no sense at all. Aside from the crapshoot nature of the playoffs, there is not a single team in the A.L. that the Red Sox would not stack up well against in the post season. Finally, I think that Breslow will be able to add at least a couple of helpful additions at the deadline without giving up anything too substantial. 

I like your quick, but sensible, opinions.  I am in 100% agreement here.

Posted
2 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

Cease gave up 5 hits, (including a HR), 5 walks and 5 runs in 4 2/3 tonite. so...pretty much normal for him. 

He also got hit in the head by a line drive and is getting a CT scan after the game.

He got hit by a Lindor line drive in the third and they let him pitch two more innings and didn’t get him checked out till after game? Seems incredibly stupid on Padres part

 

Posted
5 hours ago, Jasonbay44 said:

He also got hit in the head by a line drive and is getting a CT scan after the game.

He got hit by a Lindor line drive in the third and they let him pitch two more innings and didn’t get him checked out till after game? Seems incredibly stupid on Padres part

 

SD couldn't take Cease out because he'd be considered damaged goods at the deadline.

The Pads needed to show all the other GMs that he was still right in the head.

Or what was left in his head.

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