Yankees 2023-2024 offseason

[jacksonianmarch]

What a giant bag of s*** that season was.

 

Our rotation was gonna be nails.

Cole held up his end as the odds on favorite to win the CY

Rodon couldn't stay healthy and when he feigned health, he was abysmal

Severino was hurt, then pitched like s***, then got hurt, then came back pretty solid then got hurt

Montas was hurt all of but game

Schmidt was solid until his innings caught up with him and he tired out

Cortes wasn't himself, got hurt, looked good for a start then got hurt again

German relapsed on alcohol when he realized his offense wouldn't support him

Brito was ok as an 8th starter

King was moved into the rotation and has a good shot at starting there next year

 

The pen was good. It is looking to lose Wandy but we should get Effross back and a few other additions

 

The offense. Man, it was offensive. There were bright spots. Torres had an OPS over .800 for the first time since his 2nd year. Judge was awesome when he was on the field. Higgy wasn't bad offensively for a catcher.

 

But the rest was abysmal. It was so bad that hot shot rookie Jasson Dominguez's UCL committed suicide after it became acutely aware that the 20 yr old rookie would have to carry the team

Where to go from here. Well, the ghost of Josh Donaldson's past is gone. We let Bader go for nothing and he did what he does best, get hurt. Rizzo got concussed but it took a month for him to figure that out. We still have the corpses of DJ Lemahieu and Giancarlo Stanton under contract until I can apply for AARP. Money will have to be infused for sure

 

C- Trevino. I would re-sign Higgy as well. You can do worse, you can do better, but just keep the two together for now

1B- Wells or Rizzo. Wells was good in his final week after starting slow. Rizzo, if right, is perfect for this park. Gotta make sure he is right, though

2B- Torres- he ain't great, but he is our second best hitter, so keep him I guess

SS- Volpe will improve, especially if they get rid of the HR first swing. Kid just needs to make contact and his speed will easily hit .290.

3B- SOMEONE WHO CAN HIT. Lemahieu is dead. Peraza is a good prospect, but even his highest projection offensively is not a 3b.

LF- SOMEONE WHO CAN HIT. Oswaldo Cabrera may just have had a bad second season or he may have been found out. Who knows, but bring in someone who can hit. Pereira was rushed and needs time in AAA

CF- SOMEONE WHO CAN HIT on a shorter term deal or can slate over to LF when the new LFer leaves via FA or dies or whatever so Dominguez can take his rightful place

RF- Judge- best hitter in the game when he is available

DH- SOMEONE WHO CAN HIT. If we pencil Gian-f***o into the lineup on day 1, I will vomit. He is a platoon split lefty killer who acts blind when a righty pitches.

 

We need Rizzo to not be concussed and 4 offensive additions, plus probably one pen addition and a #2 (Yamamoto) to pair with Cole until Rodon realizes he has an arm or Nestor remembers he used to be Nasty.

 

No clue who is out there. We will likely need to make some trades. Maybe Hal allows for a massive spending spree. Either way, what a f***ing deflating year, especially since my son finally got into the game and he had to watch this shitstain team play night in and night out

[moonslav59]

What a giant bag of s*** that season was.

 

Our rotation was gonna be nails.

Cole held up his end as the odds on favorite to win the CY

Rodon couldn't stay healthy and when he feigned health, he was abysmal

Severino was hurt, then pitched like s***, then got hurt, then came back pretty solid then got hurt

Montas was hurt all of but game

Schmidt was solid until his innings caught up with him and he tired out

Cortes wasn't himself, got hurt, looked good for a start then got hurt again

German relapsed on alcohol when he realized his offense wouldn't support him

Brito was ok as an 8th starter

King was moved into the rotation and has a good shot at starting there next year

 

The pen was good. It is looking to lose Wandy but we should get Effross back and a few other additions

 

The offense. Man, it was offensive. There were bright spots. Torres had an OPS over .800 for the first time since his 2nd year. Judge was awesome when he was on the field. Higgy wasn't bad offensively for a catcher.

 

But the rest was abysmal. It was so bad that hot shot rookie Jasson Dominguez's UCL committed suicide after it became acutely aware that the 20 yr old rookie would have to carry the team

Where to go from here. Well, the ghost of Josh Donaldson's past is gone. We let Bader go for nothing and he did what he does best, get hurt. Rizzo got concussed but it took a month for him to figure that out. We still have the corpses of DJ Lemahieu and Giancarlo Stanton under contract until I can apply for AARP. Money will have to be infused for sure

 

C- Trevino. I would re-sign Higgy as well. You can do worse, you can do better, but just keep the two together for now

1B- Wells or Rizzo. Wells was good in his final week after starting slow. Rizzo, if right, is perfect for this park. Gotta make sure he is right, though

2B- Torres- he ain't great, but he is our second best hitter, so keep him I guess

SS- Volpe will improve, especially if they get rid of the HR first swing. Kid just needs to make contact and his speed will easily hit .290.

3B- SOMEONE WHO CAN HIT. Lemahieu is dead. Peraza is a good prospect, but even his highest projection offensively is not a 3b.

LF- SOMEONE WHO CAN HIT. Oswaldo Cabrera may just have had a bad second season or he may have been found out. Who knows, but bring in someone who can hit. Pereira was rushed and needs time in AAA

CF- SOMEONE WHO CAN HIT on a shorter term deal or can slate over to LF when the new LFer leaves via FA or dies or whatever so Dominguez can take his rightful place

RF- Judge- best hitter in the game when he is available

DH- SOMEONE WHO CAN HIT. If we pencil Gian-f***o into the lineup on day 1, I will vomit. He is a platoon split lefty killer who acts blind when a righty pitches.

 

We need Rizzo to not be concussed and 4 offensive additions, plus probably one pen addition and a #2 (Yamamoto) to pair with Cole until Rodon realizes he has an arm or Nestor remembers he used to be Nasty.

 

No clue who is out there. We will likely need to make some trades. Maybe Hal allows for a massive spending spree. Either way, what a f***ing deflating year, especially since my son finally got into the game and he had to watch this shitstain team play night in and night out

 

That's a long list.

[jacksonianmarch]

Everything that could go wrong, went wrong. You have the best hitter in the game. You have the best starting pitcher in the game. You have to do something until they become corpses too.

[mvp 78]

Everything that could go wrong, went wrong. You have the best hitter in the game. You have the best starting pitcher in the game. You have to do something until they become corpses too.

 

Is this a Braves thread?

[notin]

I don’t think I’m going out on a weak limb when I state that there is zero chance Stanton and his 4 year $118 remaining contract will not be limited to a weak side platoon role at DH…

[jacksonianmarch]

Maybe, or maybe Hal decides to be the best of the AL again. When you have the best pitcher and best hitter in the game plus a lights out pen and a pretty solid MLB ready farm, you should do something with it. If you are ever gonna push the chips in, you do it when you have the MVP favorite and the CY favorite in their primes.

[moonslav59]

Maybe, or maybe Hal decides to be the best of the AL again. When you have the best pitcher and best hitter in the game plus a lights out pen and a pretty solid MLB ready farm, you should do something with it. If you are ever gonna push the chips in, you do it when you have the MVP favorite and the CY favorite in their primes.

 

You have too many holes and too many deadweight contracts.

 

It would take a massive over-the-tax-line winter to get back to being a serious contender.

 

Two guys aren't nearly enough.

[Bellhorn04]

You have too many holes and too many deadweight contracts.

 

It would take a massive over-the-tax-line winter to get back to being a serious contender.

 

Two guys aren't nearly enough.

 

Mind you, if it was our roster, we'd be dreaming of bouncebacks from Rodon, Cortes, Stanton, Rizzo and LeMahieu...

[dgalehouse]

I think the Yankees will try to make a major acquisition through trade or free agency. They may have to settle for a guy like Bellinger. Rodon has a live arm, but health and attitude concerns. They will probably be in on Yamamoto. I think they are stuck with Stanton. He has become gun shy and has trouble standing in against hard throwing righties. A lot depends on how well their young guys do. All in all, you can never count them out.

[moonslav59]

Mind you, if it was our roster, we'd be dreaming of bouncebacks from Rodon, Cortes, Stanton, Rizzo and LeMahieu...

 

Empty dreams.

 

Rodon and Cortes can. The others are only getting older.

[jacksonianmarch]

Empty dreams.

 

Rodon and Cortes can. The others are only getting older.

 

Rodon and Cortes should, if they can stay healthy. The others need to be selectively deployed and cannot be relied upon as regulars to show any sort of improvement, thus limiting their effectiveness

[moonslav59]

Rodon and Cortes should, if they can stay healthy. The others need to be selectively deployed and cannot be relied upon as regulars to show any sort of improvement, thus limiting their effectiveness

 

Yes, I meant to say "should" not "can."

 

Going by age and injury history, the Yanks seem to have more doubts than the Sox with Sale and our two top RP'ers, who have very little injury history buy are very old.

 

Not many of our returning pitchers have major injury histories. I guess Whitlock and Sale. Others have missed a little here and there.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yes, I meant to say "should" not "can."

 

Going by age and injury history, the Yanks seem to have more doubts than the Sox with Sale and our two top RP'ers, who have very little injury history buy are very old.

 

Not many of our returning pitchers have major injury histories. I guess Whitlock and Sale. Others have missed a little here and there.

 

Yanks also have an unquestioned ace which the sox don't have. They also have two All Star level performers from just a year ago who missed time due to injury but are "supposedly" healthy right now. The back end is German and Schmidt who are solid back end guys. On paper, the Yanks have a solid top 5 in the rotation right now. The question is, does the paper translate into production and health. The sox do not have this

[moonslav59]

Yanks also have an unquestioned ace which the sox don't have. They also have two All Star level performers from just a year ago who missed time due to injury but are "supposedly" healthy right now. The back end is German and Schmidt who are solid back end guys. On paper, the Yanks have a solid top 5 in the rotation right now. The question is, does the paper translate into production and health. The sox do not have this

 

I have not doubted you have the best pitcher and hitter of the two teams. It's not even close. Judge may be more injury prone than Devers, but he's still better.

 

BTW, Story was an All Star, too. (Not last year, but he was hurt.)

 

LeMahieu and Rizzo should continue age decline, along with some others. Some players who were injured will likely return, but they will be replaced by others on the IL. It is is the nature of your roster. I would not count on Rodon, but he does have a better chance of 25+ GS'd than Sale.

 

You are right, your rotation blows us away. Your pen does not.

 

We need to add an ace and a solid #2/3 or two solid #2s. If not, you will still have a major edge there, and that is a key area to be better at, granted.

 

Our offense looks way better.

 

Our defense should be worse than yours, but it will be better due to...

 

Yoshi to DH (Duran/Ref more in LF and less in CF)

Rafaela/Abreu in CR (not Duran/Duvall)

Story at SS (not Kike)

Urias/Reyes at 2B (not the circus carousel of '23)

Maybe Wong and McGuire mature and improve.

1B, 3B and RF stay the same.

 

You guys lost Bader on D.

 

[notin]

Yanks also have an unquestioned ace which the sox don't have. They also have two All Star level performers from just a year ago who missed time due to injury but are "supposedly" healthy right now. The back end is German and Schmidt who are solid back end guys. On paper, the Yanks have a solid top 5 in the rotation right now. The question is, does the paper translate into production and health. The sox do not have this

 

Talent does no good when it is sitting on the IL…

[moonslav59]

Talent does no good when it is sitting on the IL…

 

There is not reason to think the Yanks will have less injuries, next year. Their roster is full of injury-prone players or over 30 guys bound to decline.

 

They have some big name players who rate to still be great in 2024, but so many holes to fill, it will take a huge wallet-opening, this winter to begin to fix them all.

 

Maybe some rising prospects will do the trick on a couple, but there are way more than a couple to fill.

 

[jacksonianmarch]

Hal says major changes are on the horizon after their end of year meetings….that he didn’t attend…..and no changes were made

[moonslav59]

Hal says major changes are on the horizon after their end of year meetings….that he didn’t attend…..and no changes were made

 

Lot's of hot air coming from the Yankee and Sox talking heads.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yanks in on Soto. With the prospects they’d have to deal and the cost of the extension, why not just sign Ohtani? Save the prospects and when Ohtani’s arm is right, he can be a TOTR starter

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yanks in on Soto. With the prospects they’d have to deal and the cost of the extension, why not just sign Ohtani? Save the prospects and when Ohtani’s arm is right, he can be a TOTR starter

 

Soto just turned 25. Ohtani is 29... with no guarantee he'll ever be a good pitcher again, or for how long.

[mvp 78]

Hal says major changes are on the horizon after their end of year meetings….that he didn’t attend…..and no changes were made

 

The major changes were getting rid of a hitting instructor they had for only half a season.

 

"Don't. Stop. Me. Now."

[jacksonianmarch]

The major changes were getting rid of a hitting instructor they had for only half a season.

 

"Don't. Stop. Me. Now."

 

Don't call it a comeback

[jacksonianmarch]

German and Cordero released

[moonslav59]

German and Cordero released

 

Not really unexpected, but still. German has some real talent.

[jacksonianmarch]

He does, but he has his issues. He might need to go overseas to rebuild his value

[moonslav59]

He does, but he has his issues. He might need to go overseas to rebuild his value

 

I think, if he goes through a rigorous rehab center and agrees to be tested (if the union allows it,) he might play MLB, in 2024.

[notin]

He does, but he has his issues. He might need to go overseas to rebuild his value

 

I don’t see a stint overseas causing anyone to overlook German’s off field alcohol and spouse abuse issues…

[moonslav59]

I don’t see a stint overseas causing anyone to overlook German’s off field alcohol and spouse abuse issues…

 

No, they will overlook it, regardless, if they think he can be a big help on the mound.

[notin]

No, they will overlook it, regardless, if they think he can be a big help on the mound.

 

Absolutely, but they can just as easily do that a week from now as opposed to watching him pitch for the Doosan Bears for a year first…

[Bellhorn04]

I don’t see a stint overseas causing anyone to overlook German’s off field alcohol and spouse abuse issues…

 

Maybe he's referring to Bauer only being able to get a job overseas last year.