A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[Bellhorn04]

I'll take Henry over Jim Crane any day.

 

I'll take Henry over just about all of them, but he really needs to get it back together. He's been in a nasty slump that started somewhere in the year 2019.

[notin]

A second baseman to potentially replace Altuve and a reliever coming off an injury for Bregman and two starting pitchers. They'll take that, no cap.

 

And maybe even throw in Yordan Alvarez..

[mvp 78]

I'll take Henry over just about all of them, but he really needs to get it back together. He's been in a nasty slump that started somewhere in the year 2019.

 

It was when they decided to make the boneheaded move of ditching Mookie.

[mvp 78]

And maybe even throw in Yordan Alvarez..

 

My trade proposal works according to our Lord and Savior BTV. If you add in Alvarez, the Sox need to throw in Anthony, Devers, Mayer and Bleis to make it work out.

[Bellhorn04]

It was when they decided to make the boneheaded move of ditching Mookie.

 

It appears that decision was all part of a master plan for the next 5-10 years.

[moonslav59]

A second baseman to potentially replace Altuve and a reliever coming off an injury for Bregman and two starting pitchers. They'll take that, no cap.

 

I think they can get better than that offer.

 

IMO, BTV is undervaluing Bregman and the two pitchers. The Astros are the one other team I've seen play more than a handful of games, each year. IMO, all these guys are undervalued:

8.5 JP France (I'd give 13.3 Yorke or 9.7 Schreiber + 4.4 Walter)

3.1 L Garcia (I'd give Schreiber for him- straight up, or 8.1 EValdez + 4.4 Walter)

3.1 Javier (I'd give Schreiber for him- straight up, or 8.1 EValdez + 4.4 Walter)

 

I'd give up Yorke & Schreiber (22 value) for Javier & Garcia (6.2 value.)

No way is Walter better than Garcia or Javier.

They also have Perales as better. (3.2 to 3.1)

Mata 2.3 + Drohan 2.2 for either one would be a steal.

[moonslav59]

I'll take Henry over Jim Crane any day.

 

No doubt.

[moonslav59]

It was when they decided to make the boneheaded move of ditching Mookie.

 

That decision couple with not even trying to give the impression of replacing him with a few quality players made it even worse.

[moonslav59]

It appears that decision was all part of a master plan for the next 5-10 years.

 

Not the "next 5 years." The 5 year rebuild plus the jump ahead to 6-10 years is More like it.

[Bellhorn04]

Not the "next 5 years." The 5 year rebuild plus the jump ahead to 6-10 years is More like it.

 

Not sure how's that different from what I said.

[Bellhorn04]

That decision couple with not even trying to give the impression of replacing him with a few quality players made it even worse.

 

You can't really replace a Mookie Betts.

 

There's only one rational way to explain the decision: they thought he was going to significantly decline within 5 years or so.

[notin]

Not sure how's that different from what I said.

 

You didn’t use boldface…

[notin]

You can't really replace a Mookie Betts.

 

There's only one rational way to explain the decision: they thought he was going to significantly decline within 5 years or so.

 

Or they thought they could use the $30mill on multiple lesser players who collectively made up for his contribution…

[Bellhorn04]

Or they thought they could use the $30mill on multiple lesser players who collectively made up for his contribution…

 

If so, that was a really terrible thought.

[Bellhorn04]

That replacement idea is like the Yankees "replacing" Cole with 3 Maeda/Wacha $12 million AAV types.

[notin]

If so, that was a really terrible thought.

 

I’m sure they also figured he’d fall off at some point and not be worth it, but here we are…

[moonslav59]

Or they thought they could use the $30mill on multiple lesser players who collectively made up for his contribution…

 

They didn't, though.

 

They traded Betts and Price, and not only did not replace their salaries for 2020, but they cut even further.

 

By 2021, they had replaced some of the massive budget cut from 2019 to 2020, but not a big percentage of it.

 

According to cots, the CB Tax budget was slashed by $59M from '19-'20 (pro-rated) Betts and 1/2 Price did not equal that.

 

2021 was still $36M below 2019, which was still less than the anual cost of Betts.

 

Had the Sox traded betts and at least come close to the same spending levels, maybe fan anger would not be so intense.

[moonslav59]

I’m sure they also figured he’d fall off at some point and not be worth it, but here we are…

 

I don't think anyone expected im to "fall off" by now. I think the thought was for the last 4-5 Years

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Or they thought they could use the $30mill on multiple lesser players who collectively made up for his contribution…

 

Target sells an entire box of Twinkies (10 count) for $3.69... and a small container of organic blueberries for $3.59.

 

The total for 10 Twinkies might cost a penny more apiece, but you get more than double the food: 13.58 oz compared to 6 oz of berries!

 

And Twinkies never expire! Archaeologists have even found perfectly preserved Twinkies in mummies' sons and daughters inside the great food pyramid.

[Bellhorn04]

Had the Sox traded betts and at least come close to the same spending levels, maybe fan anger would not be so intense.

 

Hard to say. Some might see that as being even worse, because it would be an admission that financial concerns had nothing to do with ditching Betts.

[mvp 78]

I think they can get better than that offer.

 

IMO, BTV is undervaluing Bregman and the two pitchers. The Astros are the one other team I've seen play more than a handful of games, each year. IMO, all these guys are undervalued:

8.5 JP France (I'd give 13.3 Yorke or 9.7 Schreiber + 4.4 Walter)

3.1 L Garcia (I'd give Schreiber for him- straight up, or 8.1 EValdez + 4.4 Walter)

3.1 Javier (I'd give Schreiber for him- straight up, or 8.1 EValdez + 4.4 Walter)

 

I'd give up Yorke & Schreiber (22 value) for Javier & Garcia (6.2 value.)

No way is Walter better than Garcia or Javier.

They also have Perales as better. (3.2 to 3.1)

Mata 2.3 + Drohan 2.2 for either one would be a steal.

 

It's not that the players are better or worse, it's that there is remaining theoretical value left on the contract/control. Whether the trades makes sense in reality is up to the respective FO's.

[mvp 78]

You can't really replace a Mookie Betts.

 

There's only one rational way to explain the decision: they thought he was going to significantly decline within 5 years or so.

 

I wonder who the "they" was. My guess is that it wasn't DD.

[mvp 78]

That replacement idea is like the Yankees "replacing" Cole with 3 Maeda/Wacha $12 million AAV types.

 

That'd probably be worse for Devers.

[notin]

Target sells an entire box of Twinkies (10 count) for $3.69... and a small container of organic blueberries for $3.59.

 

The total for 10 Twinkies might cost a penny more apiece, but you get more than double the food: 13.58 oz compared to 6 oz of berries!

 

And Twinkies never expire! Archaeologists have even found perfectly preserved Twinkies in mummies' sons and daughters inside the great food pyramid.

 

Twinkies are not food. They’re a type of sponge made from space age polymers…

[mvp 78]

Hard to say. Some might see that as being even worse, because it would be an admission that financial concerns had nothing to do with ditching Betts.

 

Pitchfork time for me. I'd need to know who the decision maker was and there'd be some tar and feathering going on.

[notin]

Pitchfork time for me. I'd need to know who the decision maker was and there'd be some tar and feathering going on.

 

Not specific to this instance - but after covering someone with scalding hot tar that burns and blisters any skin not outright removed, what exactly is the point of the feathers?

[Bellhorn04]

Not specific to this instance - but after covering someone with scalding hot tar that burns and blisters any skin not outright removed, what exactly is the point of the feathers?

 

Humiliation.

[moonslav59]

Hard to say. Some might see that as being even worse, because it would be an admission that financial concerns had nothing to do with ditching Betts.

 

True, but they could have spent half his money and kept the claim somewhat valid.

[moonslav59]

It's not that the players are better or worse, it's that there is remaining theoretical value left on the contract/control. Whether the trades makes sense in reality is up to the respective FO's.

 

I understand the control years and contract part of the value, but I still think the Astros players I mentioned are way undervalued.

 

Walter could have 10 years of control and is not worth 4.4.

 

I've been one of Scheiber's biggest cheerleaders, but I don't see him worth more than Javier or Garcia, let alone both combined.

[moonslav59]

Not specific to this instance - but after covering someone with scalding hot tar that burns and blisters any skin not outright removed, what exactly is the point of the feathers?

 

So the angry mob gets to laugh it off and maybe not stay so angry?