A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[Randy Red Sox]

I get that but that was what we all kept saying about the signings Bloom was makng

[moonslav59]

Bloom watched and waited and was rather indecisive when making moves to improve the team. The result reflected his approach. I am waiting to see what Breslow does but time is going by and I'm hoping he is going to make meaningful deals early on. He really hasn't shown much yet, other than a pitching coach.

 

Hardly anyone has done anything, yet. It's too early to judge anything about Brez.

[moonslav59]

I get that but that was what we all kept saying about the signings Bloom was makng

 

I don't think anyone cared about Bloom's minor league signings.

 

If they did, they should not have.,

[notin]

may not even pitch in 2024. Are we sure Chaim Bloom is really gone?

 

It was a minor league deal designed to remove him from the 40 man roster and was probably in the works prior to his release.

 

Essentially he was a DFAd and re-signed, which happens all the time…

[moonslav59]

On the soxprospects.com projected 2024 rotsers they have the MLB team adding 4 players:

SP1

SP2

2B

Adam Duvall

 

They have us trading Verdugo and DFAing Llovera and Weiss. That leaves a 28 man roster. Mata is out of options, so he may be traded. That leaves one of these guys to be in AAA: Bernardino, Schreiber or Campbell, unless we trade a pitcher. or someone is on the IL. They have Rafaela starting in AAA w EValdez in MLB.

 

The AAA rotation of Walter, Drohan, Gambrell, Van Belle and Santos seems lacking.

The AA rotation looks very interesting/promising: Wikelman, Dobbins, Bastardo, ICoffey, Penrod and Song listed as the 6th SP. (Perales may end up in AA.)

A rotation: Perales, Monegor, E R-C, Rogers, Duffy & Paez, also very interesting.

 

How about the Portland line-up?

C: Teel

1B: Jordan

2B: Paulino

SS: Mayer

3B: Binelas

LF: Lugo

CF: Anthony

RF: Sikes

DH: Hickey

 

That looks better than the AAA:

Scott, Dalbec, Yorke, DHam, Meidroth, Rosier, Rafaela, McDonugh, Kavadas

(If EValdez is in AAA and Rafaela in MLB, it surely looks better, to me.)

[mvp 78]

I get that but that was what we all kept saying about the signings Bloom was makng

 

No, nobody cares about minor league deals. Guys that take up 40 man roster spots are issues. Mills was on the 40 man at the start of last year. He won't be this season, but he has MLB upside when healthy. It's fine.

[mvp 78]

On the soxprospects.com projected 2024 rotsers they have the MLB team adding 4 players:

SP1

SP2

2B

Adam Duvall

 

They have us trading Verdugo and DFAing Llovera and Weiss. That leaves a 28 man roster. Mata is out of options, so he may be traded. That leaves one of these guys to be in AAA: Bernardino, Schreiber or Campbell, unless we trade a pitcher. or someone is on the IL. They have Rafaela starting in AAA w EValdez in MLB.

 

I think they keep Mata until ST and see what he looks like. If he's terrible, they just DFA him. If he's really good, they put him on the roster. If he's ok, they try to sneak him through a DFA at the end of camp when there is a flurry of transactions and everyone is cutting down their rosters.

[moonslav59]

I think they keep Mata until ST and see what he looks like. If he's terrible, they just DFA him. If he's really good, they put him on the roster. If he's ok, they try to sneak him through a DFA at the end of camp when there is a flurry of transactions and everyone is cutting down their rosters.

 

Sounds like the right plan.

 

If we sign or add more than 4-5 players, we may be forced to deal him earlier- assuming someone wants him.

 

I'd like to keep him over 6-8 borderline 40 man roster guys, but he's out of options, and unless we have several injuries, I can't see him making the 26.

 

[mvp 78]

Sounds like the right plan.

 

If we sign or add more than 4-5 players, we may be forced to deal him earlier- assuming someone wants him.

 

I'd like to keep him over 6-8 borderline 40 man roster guys, but he's out of options, and unless we have several injuries, I can't see him making the 26.

 

 

40 man still includes:

Jacques

Llovera

Robertson

Weiss

Hamilton

 

That's 3 players I'd also DFA before moving on from Mata.

[moonslav59]

40 man still includes:

Jacques

Llovera

Robertson

Weiss

Hamilton

 

That's 3 players I'd also DFA before moving on from Mata.

 

I see more than 3, but they all have options, which changes the dynamic.

 

1. Llovera 0 options (1st to go)

2. Weiss 2

3. Jacques 2

4. Dalbec 1

5. DHam 2 (Unless we add 1-2 middle IF'ers, I'd keep DHam over Mata.)

6. Robertson 2 (I'd keep Robertson over Mata due to options.)

7. Mata 0 options

 

Mata squeezes the 26 roster, but we are due to have injuries, so like you said, keep him on the 40 for as long as possible through ST'ing.

 

Maybe we can find a team that makes a 2 or 3 for 1 trade that involves 2-3 players from our 40 man roster, thus creating another slot on the 40 for other additions.

 

[mvp 78]

I see more than 3, but they all have options, which changes the dynamic.

 

1. Llovera 0 options (1st to go)

2. Weiss 2

3. Jacques 2

4. Dalbec 1

5. DHam 2 (Unless we add 1-2 middle IF'ers, I'd keep DHam over Mata.)

6. Robertson 2 (I'd keep Robertson over Mata due to options.)

7. Mata 0 options

 

Mata squeezes the 26 roster, but we are due to have injuries, so like you said, keep him on the 40 for as long as possible through ST'ing.

 

Maybe we can find a team that makes a 2 or 3 for 1 trade that involves 2-3 players from our 40 man roster, thus creating another slot on the 40 for other additions.

 

 

I was assuming that Llovera and Weiss were already DFA'd per SoxProspects projections on post 1929. Dalbec is probably a DFA too, but they have nobody to backup 1B besides him right now.

[notin]

40 man still includes:

Jacques

Llovera

Robertson

Weiss

Hamilton

 

That's 3 players I'd also DFA before moving on from Mata.

 

Robertson before Weiss?

[notin]

I was assuming that Llovera and Weiss were already DFA'd per SoxProspects projections on post 1929. Dalbec is probably a DFA too, but they have nobody to backup 1B besides him right now.

 

I don’t think Dalbec’s abilty to backup 1b (which he does poorly) matters much since he’s not much more likely to make the 26 man roster than you are. He’s easily replaceable in that regard, preferably with someone more versatile…

[moonslav59]

Robertson before Weiss?

 

I have Weiss going before Robertson, based on the fact that we traded for Robertson and picked up Weiss on waivers.

 

I know, I know, not too scientific. My top 3 are all about even.

 

I agree on Dalbec. I guess, if Casas gets hurt, we could add someone like Jordan or Kavadas real quickly, and promote them.

 

I think we will use Rafaela as MI depth, so maybe DHam could be moved up the list, assuming we add a legit 2Bman.

 

If there is no room on the 26 for Mata, and we only add 4 players to the 40 man, we will keep Robertson, Dalbec or DHam, instead.

[moonslav59]

I don’t think Dalbec’s abilty to backup 1b (which he does poorly) matters much since he’s not much more likely to make the 26 man roster than you are. He’s easily replaceable in that regard, preferably with someone more versatile…

 

He has an option left, so he can start the season in AAA, unlike Llovera and Mata.

[notin]

He has an option left, so he can start the season in AAA, unlike Llovera and Mata.

 

But starting in AAA doesn’t get him on the field to back up Casas…

[notin]

I have Weiss going before Robertson, based on the fact that we traded for Robertson and picked up Weiss on waivers.

 

I know, I know, not too scientific. My top 3 are all about even.

 

I agree on Dalbec. I guess, if Casas gets hurt, we could add someone like Jordan or Kavadas real quickly, and promote them.

 

I think we will use Rafaela as MI depth, so maybe DHam could be moved up the list, assuming we add a legit 2Bman.

 

If there is no room on the 26 for Mata, and we only add 4 players to the 40 man, we will keep Robertson, Dalbec or DHam, instead.

 

So not factoring in that Weiss is almost 32 and been bouncing in and out (mostly out) of MLB for several years while Robertson is 25, has very limited experience and (unlike Weiss) has an option left?

[mvp 78]

Robertson before Weiss?

 

No, my assumption was Weiss and Llovera were automatically DFA'd per post 1929.

[mvp 78]

I have Weiss going before Robertson, based on the fact that we traded for Robertson and picked up Weiss on waivers.

 

I know, I know, not too scientific. My top 3 are all about even.

 

I agree on Dalbec. I guess, if Casas gets hurt, we could add someone like Jordan or Kavadas real quickly, and promote them.

 

I think we will use Rafaela as MI depth, so maybe DHam could be moved up the list, assuming we add a legit 2Bman.

 

If there is no room on the 26 for Mata, and we only add 4 players to the 40 man, we will keep Robertson, Dalbec or DHam, instead.

 

I don't see them adding Blaze anytime soon since he take a long time to adjust to new levels and hasn't OPS'd 700 in AA yet. The callup would be Kavadas or Scott IMO.

[mvp 78]

But starting in AAA doesn’t get him on the field to back up Casas…

 

If they add Duvall, they can ask him to find his old 1B mitt from the Reds days.

[moonslav59]

I don't see them adding Blaze anytime soon since he take a long time to adjust to new levels and hasn't OPS'd 700 in AA yet. The callup would be Kavadas or Scott IMO.

 

Can McGuire play 1B?

 

(I still like letting Devers learn to play 1B over the winter with a few reps in ST'ing.)

[moonslav59]

If they add Duvall, they can ask him to find his old 1B mitt from the Reds days.

 

Adding Duvall seems like the most likely specific addition we can name. (Trading Dugo seems like the second most predictable winter move made.)

[mvp 78]

Can McGuire play 1B?

 

(I still like letting Devers learn to play 1B over the winter with a few reps in ST'ing.)

 

I'd rather take that energy and use it with a new IF coach at 3b.

[mvp 78]

McGuire has never played a position other than C.

[notin]

If they add Duvall, they can ask him to find his old 1B mitt from the Reds days.

 

Garrett Cooper would be a good bench OF/1b type. No great glove anywhere but a much better hitter than Dalbec…

[notin]

No, my assumption was Weiss and Llovera were automatically DFA'd per post 1929.

 

That makes sense.

 

I expect Llovera might hang on longer due to his velocity, but it will still be a matter of time for him…

[mvp 78]

That makes sense.

 

I expect Llovera might hang on longer due to his velocity, but it will still be a matter of time for him…

 

Bailey worked with Llovera in SF, so Crag will have a good idea what to do with him soon.

[moonslav59]

That makes sense.

 

I expect Llovera might hang on longer due to his velocity, but it will still be a matter of time for him…

 

Being out of options would make Llover have to beat out Mata plus force better pitchers with options to AAA.

 

DFA him and Weiss, soon.

[Randy Red Sox]

I don't see them adding Blaze anytime soon since he take a long time to adjust to new levels and hasn't OPS'd 700 in AA yet. The callup would be Kavadas or Scott IMO.

 

Wasn't Blaze the big fish we wanted so bad that we drafted Yorke about 100 spots above his draft ranking?? I slammed that pick at the time and nothing has happened to change my mind since.

[Bellhorn04]

Down goes Blaze!