A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[Old Red]

No, like making excuse about how he was worse than what his final record indicates, when all along you are always about just wins and losses. Any context we add is “making excuses,” so if think your comment about the 2021 record is doing a similar thing to those you criticise

 

How many fans think, or even care about context like you do? On the other hand how how many fans only care about the WL record in the here, and now, and where the team is in the standings?

[Old Red]

Unless they get a new owner, nobody could.

 

Even Charlie had a sell off, or at least tried to.

[moonslav59]

So wasn’t Blooms actions, or should I say non actions. You don’t get one with out the other.

 

Huh?

[dgalehouse]

Muhammad Ali beat George Foreman, Sonny Liston and Joe Frazier. He must have been a great fighter. But he couldn't have done it with one hand tied behind his back. Does that make him less great?

[moonslav59]

How many fans think, or even care about context like you do? On the other hand how how many fans only care about the WL record in the here, and now, and where the team is in the standings?

 

Again, this has nothing to do with my point.

 

You bashed us for adding context to the Wins and Losses, then do it yourself, by trying to say loom was worse than his record indicated because of ‘21.

 

Just once.

 

Try responding ding to that instead of defecting.

[Old Red]

I openly said I was baiting in the post. In the sentence before the part he responded to.

 

One could argue your post about Citizens Bank Ballpark was closer to trolling…

Nothing wrong with the comment about Citizens Bank Park.mi commented on it last night in real time on the Postseason thread. You don’t think other Red Sox fans were thinking the same thing last night that in Philly the park was filled, and raucous, while Fenway sat empty? The Phillies were in, and once again the Red Sox were out.

[moonslav59]

Muhammad Ali beat George Foreman, Sonny Liston and Joe Frazier. He must have been a great fighter. But he couldn't have done it with one hand tied behind his back. Does that make him less great?

 

Great analogy.

 

Does a fighter who does fight with one hand tied behind his back and loses a bad fighter?

[notin]

He's taken 4 teams to the World Series - that's fairly impressive. Bloom isn't even in the conversation, really.

 

And you might be shortchanging him. He may have taken the Sox to two World Series if not for Alex Cora and his All Percussion Band.

 

But the issues many have with DD isn’t his abilities as much as it is his short-sightedness. He makes moves that work short term but leave a devastation in his wake. This has been true in Miami, Detroit and Boston. Those teams all j just didn’t hire incompetent people; they hired people to clean up what he left behind.

 

Really the whole Noah Song scenario is sort of a microcosm of his methodology. I understand his having faith in Song, but he seemingly turned it into a “Song had to pitch now Now NOW” scenario by taking him in the Rule 5 draft and then following up with nothing to get the kid ready. Had he completed a trade to keep Song, he could have taken him along properly rather than just throwing him into the fire and watching him burn.

 

The last 4 years were the cleanup. Granted Bloom appears to have made it more painful than he could/should be have through his own inability to follow through with anything. But some of that failure was inevitable. And history has shown this two previous times…

[notin]

Nothing wrong with the comment about Citizens Bank Park.mi commented on it last night in real time on the Postseason thread. You don’t think other Red Sox fans were thinking the same thing last night that in Philly the park was filled, and raucous, while Fenway sat empty? The Phillies were in, and once again the Red Sox were out.

 

No. I don’t think that. Why would they think that? Do you think Sox fans thought like that when the Cubs won the World Series in 2016?

Edited October 17, 2023 by notin

[dgalehouse]

Great analogy.

 

Does a fighter who does fight with one hand tied behind his back and loses a bad fighter?

 

He is a bad fighter if he loses every fight with both hands.

[Old Red]

Again, this has nothing to do with my point.

 

You bashed us for adding context to the Wins and Losses, then do it yourself, by trying to say loom was worse than his record indicated because of ‘21.

 

Just once.

 

Try responding ding to that instead of defecting.

 

Who is loom? Once again the main point is that not everyone like you thinks about, or cares about context.

[notin]

Unless they get a new owner, nobody could.

 

I don’t think that’s fair. There is probably someone who could. The A’s been cheap for a long time and has some very successful seasons…

[dgalehouse]

Did you ever hear Vince Lombardi talk about context?

[Old Red]

Huh?

 

The looking for the third fork in the road doesn’t happen if Bloom had a clue what he was doing, and wasn’t so indecisive at trade deadline time. He was decisive though when he stayed over the CBT though.

[Old Red]

Did you ever hear Vince Lombardi talk about context?

 

Of course Vince didn’t do much losing either unlike Bloom.

[Bellhorn04]

And you might be shortchanging him. He may have taken the Sox to two World Series if not for Alex Cora and his All Percussion Band.

 

But the issues many have with DD isn’t his abilities as much as it is his short-sightedness. He makes moves that work short term but leave a devastation in his wake. This has been true in Miami, Detroit and Boston. Those teams all j just didn’t hire incompetent people; they hired people to clean up what he left behind.

 

Really the whole Noah Song scenario is sort of a microcosm of his methodology. I understand his having faith in Song, but he seemingly turned it into a “Song had to pitch now Now NOW” scenario by taking him in the Rule 5 draft and then following up with nothing to get the kid ready. Had he completed a trade to keep Song, he could have taken him along properly rather than just throwing him into the fire and watching him burn.

 

The last 4 years were the cleanup. Granted Bloom appears to have made it more painful than he could/should be have through his own inability to follow through with anything. But some of that failure was inevitable. And history has shown this two previous times…

 

I don't buy it. The selloff in Miami was ordered by the owner and they won another World Series in 2003.

 

The guys that replaced Dombrowski in Detroit and Boston just weren't very good. Plus the Red Sox almost made the World Series in 2021 in spite of the so-called devastation. Bloom did do a good job that one year, and certainly gets a lot of the credit, but it absolutely refutes the "devastation" idea.

 

Plus you've argued that the Sox could have made runs in 2022 and 2023 if Bloom made moves at the deadlines. So you're contradicting yourself with the devastation thing.

Edited October 17, 2023 by Bellhorn04

[Old Red]

No. I don’t think that. Why would they think that? Do you think Sox fans thought like that when the Cubs won the World Series in 2016?

You aren’t other people, and they would think that, because it is true, and happening. If you don’t think about the Red Sox sitting out another postseason then I can’t help you.

[dgalehouse]

Of course Vince didn’t do much losing either unlike Bloom.

 

Some gotta win, some gotta lose; Chaim Bloom's got us singing the blues.

[Old Red]

Some gotta win, some gotta lose; Chaim Bloom's got us singing the blues.

 

The lasting impression of Bloom are him telling people things were going to be awesome, and him picking up trash in the stands at Fenway between games no doubt looking for more pitching help.

[Old Red]

I don't buy it. The selloff in Miami was ordered by the owner and they won another World Series in 2003.

 

The guys that replaced Dombrowski in Detroit and Boston just weren't very good. Plus the Red Sox almost made the World Series in 2021 in spite of the so-called devastation. Bloom did do a good job that one year, and certainly gets a lot of the credit, but it absolutely refutes the "devastation" idea.

 

Plus you've argued that the Sox could have made runs in 2022 and 2023 if Bloom made moves at the deadlines. So you're contradicting yourself with the devastation thing.

DD gets a lot of the blame for the 2019 season, but the team wasn’t ready to start the season either especially the pitching staff.

[Bellhorn04]

DD gets a lot of the blame for the 2019 season, but the team wasn’t ready to start the season either especially the pitching staff.

 

Plus it was 1 bad season out of 4. If you think that's a bad ratio, you probably shouldn't be a baseball fan.

[Old Red]

Plus it was 1 bad season out of 4. If you think that's a bad ratio, you probably shouldn't be a baseball fan.

 

I certainly didn’t expect another season like 2018 in 2019, but just not that big a drop off.

[moonslav59]

Who is loom? Once again the main point is that not everyone like you thinks about, or cares about context.

 

loom= Bloom. I was trying to type from my phone.

 

For years you blased us for trying to say maybe the team was better than their record indicated- due to a tougher schedule/division, and that it's only about wins and losses. No excuses.

 

Now, you try to say Bloom's record is not as good as the wins and losses indicated, because one big season skewed the results and made him look better than he really was.

 

You don't see the concept being presented?

 

If yes, you do understand, you won't answer to get point, but instead go off on some unrelated concept or something we got wrong.

 

Try just responding to one actual point being made with an answer related to the point. Just once.

[dgalehouse]

I certainly didn’t expect another season like 2018 in 2019, but just not that big a drop off.

 

A couple of starting pitchers had injuries, but the offense was fine. It was basically a very good team. The drop off was largely due to blown saves.

[moonslav59]

The looking for the third fork in the road doesn’t happen if Bloom had a clue what he was doing, and wasn’t so indecisive at trade deadline time. He was decisive though when he stayed over the CBT though.

 

We know what you mean by your overused fork in the road comments. Your post was no where near related to what my comment was about, and I think you meant "So was..." not "So wasn't..."`but I don't want to be accused of "over analyzing your posts."

[moonslav59]

Of course Vince didn’t do much losing either unlike Bloom.

 

Too bad my Packers hired a coach with no head coaching experience without interviewing anyone else.

 

[moonslav59]

A couple of starting pitchers had injuries, but the offense was fine. It was basically a very good team. The drop off was largely due to blown saves.

 

Sounds like a bunch of excuses not allowed to be used for the next GM.

 

Who needs "context?"

[Old Red]

loom= Bloom. I was trying to type from my phone.

 

For years you blased us for trying to say maybe the team was better than their record indicated- due to a tougher schedule/division, and that it's only about wins and losses. No excuses.

 

Now, you try to say Bloom's record is not as good as the wins and losses indicated, because one big season skewed the results and made him look better than he really was.

 

You don't see the concept being presented?

 

If yes, you do understand, you won't answer to get point, but instead go off on some unrelated concept or something we got wrong.

 

Try just responding to one actual point being made with an answer related to the point. Just once.

Complaining about the schedule, and being in the same Div the Red Sox have been in since divisions were brought in to me is whining, and crying, and saying poor me. Bloom having one winning season out of four, which was good enough at 22 games over 500 does not make up for 3 losing seasons even if the team was 80-82. I didn’t say 2021 didn’t count. If it makes you feel better count it go ahead, and add things all up, but obviously it wasn’t good enough for JH.

[moonslav59]

DD gets a lot of the blame for the 2019 season, but the team wasn’t ready to start the season either especially the pitching staff.

 

Excuses are fine by you: I see.

[Old Red]

Too bad my Packers hired a coach with no head coaching experience without interviewing anyone else.

 

You are not comparing Bloom to Vince are you? That’s about as big a stretch as you can get. Vince is a legend, and Bloom is a loser. WOW!