5/30 vs Reds

[Duran Is The Man]

I don't think he was.

 

First, Lively is a rightly. I doubt Cora sits him against a righty.

 

Second, the radio guys said late in the game (maybe the 8th inning) that hopefully Verdugo would be back tomorrow night to help bolster the top of the line-up. That implies to me he was sick or dinged up. Wouldn't shock me to find out that he has what Sale and Devers had on the road trip.

 

i read that Cora gave him an extra night off because he had been hustling lately. really.

[notin]

Moral victory still shows up in the loss column. Yes getting Diaz into the game may help the next two games, but by Cora not going to Wink down only 1-0 may have been a whole different ballgame that Diaz might not of had a save situation. Bad bad managing by Cora tonight, which ended up in a loss.

 

If it helps the next two games, that’s a good thing.

 

Winckowski is being used to protect leads, not long relief and not a guy you bring in for the fifth. Pivetta would be the guy for that role.

 

How many IP did you think they want out of Winckowski today? And then tomorrow, when Justin Garza and Ryan Sherriff are trying to protect a one run lead in the 6th, will you be calling Cora out then, too?

[Old Red]

Do we know Winck was available? Not saying he was or wasn't, but managers tend to hold such info close, if for no other reason than to make the other manager think.

 

He last pitched 4 days ago.

[Duran Is The Man]

this game is another reason W-L records are ********. Bello gives up 1 run and gets the loss. the L on this game falls squarely on Joely Rodriguez.

[illinoisredsox]

If it helps the next two games, that’s a good thing.

 

Winckowski is being used to protect leads, not long relief and not a guy you bring in for the fifth. Pivetta would be the guy for that role.

 

How many IP did you think they want out of Winckowski today? And then tomorrow, when Justin Garza and Ryan Sherriff are trying to protect a one run lead in the 6th, will you be calling Cora out then, too?

 

Well said. To paraphrase Maj. Charles Winchester from M*A*S*H, Old Red does indeed possess 20-20 hindsight.

 

As I said earlier in the thread, Red's criticism's would be a lot more impressive if he made them in real time instead of seeing what the results are first.

[Jasonbay44]

I don't think he was.

 

First, Lively is a rightly. I doubt Cora sits him against a righty.

 

Second, the radio guys said late in the game (maybe the 8th inning) that hopefully Verdugo would be back tomorrow night to help bolster the top of the line-up. That implies to me he was sick or dinged up. Wouldn't shock me to find out that he has what Sale and Devers had on the road trip.

Fair enough I guess.

[Dipre]

How much more rope does Casas get?

 

As much as he needs, considering how good he was in May overall.

[Old Red]

If it helps the next two games, that’s a good thing.

 

Winckowski is being used to protect leads, not long relief and not a guy you bring in for the fifth. Pivetta would be the guy for that role.

 

How many IP did you think they want out of Winckowski today? And then tomorrow, when Justin Garza and Ryan Sherriff are trying to protect a one run lead in the 6th, will you be calling Cora out then, too?

 

Pivetta pitched yesterday, and yes I would have brought Wink in for the 5th down only 1-0. 3 innings by wink, and then depending on the score Martin in the 8th. Pax is going tomorrow, and who knows if Wink will be needed. Tonight down 1-0 Wink was needed. Also the Kut Man could be available tomorrow. I call Cora out as I see fit as do many on a game thread, so we would have to wait, and see.

[Dipre]

Joely Rodriguez should not be allowed to have arms to throw baseballs with.

[illinoisredsox]

i read that Cora gave him an extra night off because he had been hustling lately. really.

 

That could be correct, but I know the radio guys used the word hopefully. That doesn't translate to just an extra day off.

[Dipre]

Pivetta pitched yesterday, and yes I would have brought Wink in for the 5th down only 1-0. 3 innings by wink, and then depending on the score Martin in the 8th. Pax is going tomorrow, and who knows if Wink will be needed. Tonight down 1-0 Wink was needed. Also the Kut Man could be available tomorrow. I call Cora out as I see fit as do many on a game thread, so we would have to wait, and see.

 

And you shouldn't be allowed to have arms to post with. Jesus Christ.

[Old Red]

Well said. To paraphrase Maj. Charles Winchester from M*A*S*H, Old Red does indeed possess 20-20 hindsight.

 

As I said earlier in the thread, Red's criticism's would be a lot more impressive if he made them in real time instead of seeing what the results are first.

 

Are you telling me that who Cora brought into the game in the 5th inning was the best choice? Right choice? Only down 1-0 is not the time for the weakest links, but the right Wink.

[notin]

didn't know that but like Red said, I'd rather have Dugo up there.

 

The way this thread is going, it doesn’t sound like Verdugo was available…

[Old Red]

And you shouldn't be allowed to have arms to post with. Jesus Christ.

 

To some Cora is still living off the laurels of 2018. He’s not that good.

[Maxbialystock]

He last pitched 4 days ago.

 

I just don't follow your logic. You raise hell because Bello failed to go 5 innings. Unsat, you said, even though he only gave up 1 run.

 

Now you insist Winck should have been sent in to pitch the 5th and probably a couple more innings precisely because the Sox were down just 1-0 and had a chance to win.

 

You can't logically blame Bello for a lousy start--specifically not going 5 innings--and then blame Cora for not sending Winck in for the 5th inning. FWIW, going into tonight's game Garza had pitched 4.2 innings and given up 0 runs, May 16 thru 24.

[Dipre]

To some Cora is still living off the laurels of 2018. He’s not that good.

 

I haven't mentioned Cora at all.

[Old Red]

I just don't follow your logic. You raise hell because Bello failed to go 5 innings. Unsat, you said, even though he only gave up 1 run.

 

Now you insist Winck should have been sent in to pitch the 5th and probably a couple more innings precisely because the Sox were down just 1-0 and had a chance to win.

 

You can't logically blame Bello for a lousy start--specifically not going 5 innings--and then blame Cora for not sending Winck in for the 5th inning. FWIW, going into tonight's game Garza had pitched 4.2 innings and given up 0 runs, May 16 thru 24.

 

I agree with you the Red Sox were only down 1-0 in the 5th inning, and still had a chance to Win.

[Old Red]

I haven't mentioned Cora at all.

 

No one said you did. I’m just voicing an opinion.

[Dipre]

What I'm trying to say is, can you please state your opinion in a manner that doesn't turn this place into a warzone? Please and thank you.

[illinoisredsox]

Are you telling me that who Cora brought into the game in the 5th inning was the best choice? Right choice? Only down 1-0 is not the time for the weakest links, but the right Wink.

 

I don't criticize managerial moves after the fact. If I don't like something, I say it as it happens.

 

Also, you could at least bitch about the proper pitcher who allowed the game to get completely away; the guy who was in in the 7th. Garza allowed 1 run in the 5th. Score goes to 2-0. He should have been out of the 6th inning on the DP grounder that Kike threw away, allowing a 3rd run to score and extending the inning (and despite that leading to guys on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out, he got out of that inning without allowing the 4th run to score).

[Old Red]

What I'm trying to say is, can you please state your opinion in a manner that doesn't turn this place into a warzone? Please and thank you.

 

Saying that a SP only going 4 innings was unacceptable turned this place into a war zone. I’ve seen many times that all a game thread needs is one bad pitch for all hell to break loose.

[Dipre]

Saying that a SP only going 4 innings was unacceptable turned this place into a war zone. I’ve seen many times that all a game thread needs is one bad pitch for all hell to break loose.

 

No one liked that opinion because, and this is key, it's wrong, even if it's "just an opinion". Sometimes we're just wrong man.

[Old Red]

I don't criticize managerial moves after the fact. If I don't like something, I say it as it happens.

 

Also, you could at least bitch about the proper pitcher who allowed the game to get completely away; the guy who was in in the 7th. Garza allowed 1 run in the 5th. Score goes to 2-0. He should have been out of the 6th inning on the DP grounder that Kike threw away, allowing a 3rd run to score and extending the inning (and despite that leading to guys on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out, he got out of that inning without allowing the 4th run to score).

 

My main point being if Wink comes into the game in the 5th, and pitches like he normally does there is NO NEED for Garza, or anyone else that followed him until possibly Martin in the 8th. Ok I didn’t say it at the time to bring in Wink, but I’m shocked that no one else mentioned it. If the Sox would have tied the game in the 9th i wouldn’t have mentioned bringing in Jansen either.

[Old Red]

No one liked that opinion because, and this is key, it's wrong, even if it's "just an opinion". Sometimes we're just wrong man.[/quote

 

Opinions are what keeps this site afloat.

[Dipre]

Calling them out when they're wrong is the discussion part of forum.

[iortiz]

Seems like Casas is Dalbec 2.0

 

Why didn’t Verdugo PH?

[Old Red]

Calling them out when they're wrong is the discussion part of forum.

 

If Cora’s BP decisions weren’t wrong tonight I’d hate to see them when they were.

[notin]

My main point being if Wink comes into the game in the 5th, and pitches like he normally does there is NO NEED for Garza, or anyone else that followed him until possibly Martin in the 8th. Ok I didn’t say it at the time to bring in Wink, but I’m shocked that no one else mentioned it. If the Sox would have tied the game in the 9th i wouldn’t have mentioned bringing in Jansen either.

 

Garza wasn’t the problem. If Kike makes a good throw and they complete that double play, the third run doesn’t score and Joely doesn’t come in to face Fraley.

 

Not sure why it would be better to have Winckowski victimized by shortstop defense…

[notin]

Seems like Casas is Dalbec 2.0

 

Why didn’t Verdugo PH?

 

Casas OPS in May is over .860. Don’t be fooled by his April…

[Old Red]

Garza wasn’t the problem. If Kike makes a good throw and they complete that double play, the third run doesn’t score and Joely doesn’t come in to face Fraley.

 

Not sure why it would be better to have Winckowski victimized by shortstop defense…

 

Outside of 1 bad outing I think Wink has been the most effective BP guy this year, and would have been the best choice at that place in time down 1-0 in only the 5th inning.