Yankees 2023 Season Thread

[jacksonianmarch]

I disagree on the total makeover. Give me a team that can pitch and I will show you a team in contention. The Yanks were in a WC spot or near it until their rotation came apart at the seams. Cortes hasnt been right since ST. Groin strain then arm issues. They rushed him back to throw for a sinking ship and hurt him again. If he doesn't have a structural issue, he should be good come next year. Same thing with Rodon, the guy got hurt in ST and they rushed him back. Schmidt has been a revelation since April. German, for all his s***, is pretty good. Add in the fact that the Yanks look like the favorite to sign the Yamamoto and the rotation should be deep and strong. The pen is deep and strong and will have some arms returning as well as internal reinforcements coming up the ranks. Their issue is offense, and they've got the best offensive player in baseball on the team. Volpe is a piece to build around. He has been a 2WAR player to this point with a ridiculously low BABIP and a very high K rate well above his minor league norms. He will improve and could be a Trea Turner style disruptive player on the diamond as soon as next year. His August has been really good as well. Gotta remember, he just turned 22. Torres is a solid plus second basemen. Rizzo, when not concussed, is an above average 1b. Other than that, they've got hot garbage outside of the kids for the other 5 positions in the lineup. You have to add someone to Judge, preferably a left handed hitter with power that will make teams pitch to Judge. You almost have to keep Stanton and DJ, but Stanton would be a DH/RF platoonmate. The guy still obliterates lefties, but he no longer can hit against RHP. Lemahieu, if not pressed into daily duty might find something again. Father time sneaks up on good players and it is biting him. Recovery is an issue at 36. Should be looking to use him as a super sub and NEVER use him as a regular. Bader will hit FA and it's fine to let him walk. IKF, good riddance. Donaldson, f*** you. Our needs are many. DH vs RHP, CF, LF, 3B, C. Bottom line is, they have to add a LHH to be the Robin to Judge. That would allow you to slot Torres at the top of the order, see if Volpe takes that next step, Rizzo for veteran leadership and roll with the kids thereafter. Lineup would be a lot better. Maybe not WS worthy, but contention for sure

[moonslav59]

I disagree on the total makeover. Give me a team that can pitch and I will show you a team in contention. The Yanks were in a WC spot or near it until their rotation came apart at the seams. Cortes hasnt been right since ST. Groin strain then arm issues. They rushed him back to throw for a sinking ship and hurt him again. If he doesn't have a structural issue, he should be good come next year. Same thing with Rodon, the guy got hurt in ST and they rushed him back. Schmidt has been a revelation since April. German, for all his s***, is pretty good. Add in the fact that the Yanks look like the favorite to sign the Yamamoto and the rotation should be deep and strong. The pen is deep and strong and will have some arms returning as well as internal reinforcements coming up the ranks. Their issue is offense, and they've got the best offensive player in baseball on the team. Volpe is a piece to build around. He has been a 2WAR player to this point with a ridiculously low BABIP and a very high K rate well above his minor league norms. He will improve and could be a Trea Turner style disruptive player on the diamond as soon as next year. His August has been really good as well. Gotta remember, he just turned 22. Torres is a solid plus second basemen. Rizzo, when not concussed, is an above average 1b. Other than that, they've got hot garbage outside of the kids for the other 5 positions in the lineup. You have to add someone to Judge, preferably a left handed hitter with power that will make teams pitch to Judge. You almost have to keep Stanton and DJ, but Stanton would be a DH/RF platoonmate. The guy still obliterates lefties, but he no longer can hit against RHP. Lemahieu, if not pressed into daily duty might find something again. Father time sneaks up on good players and it is biting him. Recovery is an issue at 36. Should be looking to use him as a super sub and NEVER use him as a regular. Bader will hit FA and it's fine to let him walk. IKF, good riddance. Donaldson, f*** you. Our needs are many. DH vs RHP, CF, LF, 3B, C. Bottom line is, they have to add a LHH to be the Robin to Judge. That would allow you to slot Torres at the top of the order, see if Volpe takes that next step, Rizzo for veteran leadership and roll with the kids thereafter. Lineup would be a lot better. Maybe not WS worthy, but contention for sure

 

You have a ton of holes to fill, while also hoping many of your younger and injured players come back and play and or improve.

 

Sounds all too familiar.

 

IMO, you have to many holes to not call it a total make-over. (Of course, "total" never really means all 26 and 40 players turned over.)

[jacksonianmarch]

You have a ton of holes to fill, while also hoping many of your younger and injured players come back and play and or improve.

 

Sounds all too familiar.

 

IMO, you have to many holes to not call it a total make-over. (Of course, "total" never really means all 26 and 40 players turned over.)

 

A total makeover is trading off all major pieces. As long as Cole and Judge wear the pinstripes, they won't go into a total makeover

[moonslav59]

A total makeover is trading off all major pieces. As long as Cole and Judge wear the pinstripes, they won't go into a total makeover

 

They should not will.

 

Go ahead and bring back Stanton, LeMahieu, Rizzo, Torres, Kahlne, Trivino and the pitchers who dropped off, this year.

 

Payoff the $8M Donaldson buy out.

 

Spend on the next Rodon.

 

Good luck.

[jacksonianmarch]

It is irrelevant what they should do. It is what they will do. They aren't gonna tear it down.

[Bellhorn04]

It is irrelevant what they should do. It is what they will do. They aren't gonna tear it down.

 

When you're the Yankees or the Red Sox you don't have the luxury of completely tearing down and rebuilding.

[moonslav59]

When you're the Yankees or the Red Sox you don't have the luxury of completely tearing down and rebuilding.

 

Yes, that is what I meant, when I said "sounds all too familiar."

 

The Yanks will not tear it all down- just like the Sox don't either.

 

Like us, they will drag out the rebuild and call it something else.

[notin]

They should not will.

 

Go ahead and bring back Stanton, LeMahieu, Rizzo, Torres, Kahlne, Trivino and the pitchers who dropped off, this year.

 

Payoff the $8M Donaldson buy out.

 

Spend on the next Rodon.

 

Good luck.

 

They’ll go all in on a Ohtani just to watch him get hurt, too…

[notin]

There is no way they truly rebuild. They’re not gonna waste the prime years of Judge and Cole trotting our dogshit. Hal is gonna have to open the wallet, but in the end, they need to can the guy who got them into this mess. Rodon’s deal after year 1 looks bad. He may bounce back and probably should, but adding an injury prone starter to an injury prone team was a poor choice. Stanton’s trade went south almost immediately. Lemahieu’s parlayed his last great season into an albatross contract. The Donaldson deal went to s*** as well as Urshela would have been a capable 3b and the guy they got to play SS got the yips

 

 

How about “not” Opening the wallet and maybe trading for players under 30 wittily worn down ligaments that can actually stay in the field all week?

 

No point in keeping all these prospects if you’re going to try it up all the position player roles for 8-10 years worth billions of dollars worth of contracts…

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Someone will take a swing at Stanton if his cost is bought down. I’m wondering what that number is. $5 mil a year?

 

Sure, someone will take a chance on Stanton if the Yankees pay off most of the contract, but the bigger problem is that Stanton has a no trade clause and he would only allow the Marlins to trade him to the Dodgers or Yankees. The Marlins had a deal in place to trade Stanton to the Giants and Stanton blocked it. JD Martinez is set to be a free agent and so it is possible the Dodgers would explore a Stanton trade if the Yankees are generous with the money, but if the Dodgers pursue Ohtani, as everyone expects, they aren't going to pursue Stanton until the Ohtani situation is resolved.

 

If Ohtani signs somewhere else, and the Dodgers decide that Stanton would be a a fit to replace JD Martinez, Stanton would still have limited trade value. Bottom line: the Yankees probably won't be able to trade Stanton, since Stanton has a no trade clause that he is not shy about exercising, and even if the Yankees can work out a trade with the Dodgers they aren't getting anything valuable in return since Stanton has turned into a bad baseball player.

[dgalehouse]

I don't think it takes all that much to turn a team around. Especially a team with resources like the Yankees. The difference between the good teams and the mediocre ones is not that great. They need at least a couple of their young prospects to click. Provide a little energy and enthusiasm. And they need to correct the mistakes made in roster construction , like becoming much too right handed. Determine what the problems are and act to correct them. It is doable if they are smart about it. But are they ?

[moonslav59]

I don't think it takes all that much to turn a team around. Especially a team with resources like the Yankees. The difference between the good teams and the mediocre ones is not that great. They need at least a couple of their young prospects to click. Provide a little energy and enthusiasm. And they need to correct the mistakes made in roster construction , like becoming much too right handed. Determine what the problems are and act to correct them. It is doable if they are smart about it. But are they ?

 

They need to see major improvement at 5-6 slots in the batting order and 3-5 on the staff.

 

That's a lot of free agent signings all needing to work.

[notin]

I don't think it takes all that much to turn a team around. Especially a team with resources like the Yankees. The difference between the good teams and the mediocre ones is not that great. They need at least a couple of their young prospects to click. Provide a little energy and enthusiasm. And they need to correct the mistakes made in roster construction , like becoming much too right handed. Determine what the problems are and act to correct them. It is doable if they are smart about it. But are they ?

 

Given the way the Yankees have been using their resources lately, I’m not so sure that’s the key to a turnaround…

Edited August 29, 2023 by notin

[Dipre]

I disagree on the total makeover. Give me a team that can pitch and I will show you a team in contention. The Yanks were in a WC spot or near it until their rotation came apart at the seams. Cortes hasnt been right since ST. Groin strain then arm issues. They rushed him back to throw for a sinking ship and hurt him again. If he doesn't have a structural issue, he should be good come next year. Same thing with Rodon, the guy got hurt in ST and they rushed him back. Schmidt has been a revelation since April. German, for all his s***, is pretty good. Add in the fact that the Yanks look like the favorite to sign the Yamamoto and the rotation should be deep and strong. The pen is deep and strong and will have some arms returning as well as internal reinforcements coming up the ranks. Their issue is offense, and they've got the best offensive player in baseball on the team. Volpe is a piece to build around. He has been a 2WAR player to this point with a ridiculously low BABIP and a very high K rate well above his minor league norms. He will improve and could be a Trea Turner style disruptive player on the diamond as soon as next year. His August has been really good as well. Gotta remember, he just turned 22. Torres is a solid plus second basemen. Rizzo, when not concussed, is an above average 1b. Other than that, they've got hot garbage outside of the kids for the other 5 positions in the lineup. You have to add someone to Judge, preferably a left handed hitter with power that will make teams pitch to Judge. You almost have to keep Stanton and DJ, but Stanton would be a DH/RF platoonmate. The guy still obliterates lefties, but he no longer can hit against RHP. Lemahieu, if not pressed into daily duty might find something again. Father time sneaks up on good players and it is biting him. Recovery is an issue at 36. Should be looking to use him as a super sub and NEVER use him as a regular. Bader will hit FA and it's fine to let him walk. IKF, good riddance. Donaldson, f*** you. Our needs are many. DH vs RHP, CF, LF, 3B, C. Bottom line is, they have to add a LHH to be the Robin to Judge. That would allow you to slot Torres at the top of the order, see if Volpe takes that next step, Rizzo for veteran leadership and roll with the kids thereafter. Lineup would be a lot better. Maybe not WS worthy, but contention for sure

 

On what do you base this?

[mvp 78]

On what do you base this?

 

The basis that every team believes they are the favorites...

[mvp 78]

@JeffPassan

The New York Yankees have released third baseman Josh Donaldson.

[bkzwhitestrican]

@JeffPassan

The New York Yankees have released third baseman Josh Donaldson.

 

He will be missed. Not by me, but surely by someone.

[bkzwhitestrican]

I will, however, miss Bader. His defense is fun to watch, and he proved last season that he could hit in the postseason. I'm guessing a contender will scoop him up and it could payoff bigly.

[dgalehouse]

Credit where it is due. Anthony Volpe looks like a good one. He is just 22 and playing a very high-profile position as shortstop for the Yankees. He is having a good rookie season.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Credit where it is due. Anthony Volpe looks like a good one. He is just 22 and playing a very high-profile position as shortstop for the Yankees. He is having a good rookie season.

 

Started off very slow but has been steadily improving. He has a 107 OPS+ since June 1st which isn't amazing but still good for a rookie. And thanks to his defense he's at 3.6 WAR for the season. Now we just need 6 more players to fill out our lineup.

[jacksonianmarch]

He’s a Trea Turner type, IMO. He’s a keeper. Judge is a keeper. Gleyber is quietly having a good year. Everyone else in that lineup sucks

[moonslav59]

Name the foundation you have going into 2024, then tell me how many you view as "solid":

C Trivno/Higgy

1B Rizzo

2B Torres

SS Volpe

3B LeMaheu

LF I K-F/ Bauers

CF ______

RF Judge

DH Stanton

 

SP1 Cole

SP2 Rodon

SP3 Cortez

SP4 Schmidt

SP5 German/Brito

 

RP Holmes, Loasiga, King, Abreu, Kahnle

[bkzwhitestrican]

Name the foundation you have going into 2024, then tell me how many you view as "solid":

C Trivno/Higgy

1B Rizzo

2B Torres

SS Volpe

3B LeMaheu

LF I K-F/ Bauers

CF ______

RF Judge

DH Stanton

 

SP1 Cole

SP2 Rodon

SP3 Cortez

SP4 Schmidt

SP5 German/Brito

 

RP Holmes, Loasiga, King, Abreu, Kahnle

 

By solid I assume you mean league average or better. Aside from who you highlighted in red, I'd include Volpe/Rizzo(hopefully he'll be over his concussion symptoms by next year)/Cortes/Schmidt (has improved a lot since the start of the season) and all five of the bullpen arms you listed.

[moonslav59]

By solid I assume you mean league average or better. Aside from who you highlighted in red, I'd include Volpe/Rizzo(hopefully he'll be over his concussion symptoms by next year)/Cortes/Schmidt (has improved a lot since the start of the season) and all five of the bullpen arms you listed.

 

Fair, enough. I'd say Rizzo is borderline and the "average" offense for a 1Bman will likely be better than he gives, next year. Volpe should improve, but it is not a given, and is he average or above, now?

 

I almos put Cortes and Schmidt in red, as they should be average 4/5 SP'ers or better, but again, there is significant concerns on both.

 

My point was meant to highlight how few positions you have locked up as being plus positions, and this is a team that was projected to win the AL, this year!

[bkzwhitestrican]

Fair, enough. I'd say Rizzo is borderline and the "average" offense for a 1Bman will likely be better than he gives, next year. Volpe should improve, but it is not a given, and is he average or above, now?

 

I almos put Cortes and Schmidt in red, as they should be average 4/5 SP'ers or better, but again, there is significant concerns on both.

 

My point was meant to highlight how few positions you have locked up as being plus positions, and this is a team that was projected to win the AL, this year!

 

I'd say Volpe has netted out to being average this year, maybe slightly better than average factoring in defense. It's impossible to predict how he will play next year but based on his age I think he'll be at least the same as 2nd half of this season or better.

 

And yeah it's hard to imagine the offense being good next season unless they sign/trade for multiple players (LF/CF/C/3B) or one of the youngsters steps up.

[moonslav59]

I'd say Volpe has netted out to being average this year, maybe slightly better than average factoring in defense. It's impossible to predict how he will play next year but based on his age I think he'll be at least the same as 2nd half of this season or better.

 

And yeah it's hard to imagine the offense being good next season unless they sign/trade for multiple players (LF/CF/C/3B) or one of the youngsters steps up.

 

You are right. I did not notice Volpe had climbed up to 15th on fWAR for SSs. He should project to better than AVG . next year.

 

That still leaves a pretty small core of avg or avg+ foundational players for 2024.

 

A lot of slots to fill.

 

C Trivno/Higgy

1B Rizzo

2B Torres

SS Volpe

3B LeMaheu

LF I K-F/ Bauers

CF ______

RF Judge

DH Stanton

 

SP1 Cole

SP2 Rodon

SP3 Cortez

SP4 Schmidt

SP5 German/Brito

 

RP Holmes, Loasiga, King, Abreu, Kahnle

 

[jacksonianmarch]

Judge, Rizzo, Volpe, Torres are all average or better if they’re healthy. We’ve got 5 positions in the lineup set to be a minus without growth from a minor leaguer or resurgence from a vet. It can happen, but we need to add a couple impact bats

 

Cortes in the red is ridiculous. The guys been nails for two seasons until he got hurt this year. Red maybe for health, but when he’s on he’s one of the best in the AL.

 

Schmidt has proven to eat innings and limit runs. Not a front liner, but a solid back ended for now.

 

If healthy, this rotation and pen will be really good. If no, so be it. I’m not worried about the arms. The bats are the issue

[moonslav59]

Judge, Rizzo, Volpe, Torres are all average or better if they’re healthy. We’ve got 5 positions in the lineup set to be a minus without growth from a minor leaguer or resurgence from a vet. It can happen, but we need to add a couple impact bats

 

Cortes in the red is ridiculous. The guys been nails for two seasons until he got hurt this year. Red maybe for health, but when he’s on he’s one of the best in the AL.

 

Schmidt has proven to eat innings and limit runs. Not a front liner, but a solid back ended for now.

 

If healthy, this rotation and pen will be really good. If no, so be it. I’m not worried about the arms. The bats are the issue

 

Red means counted on to be solid plus.

 

How can you view Rizzo as being average compared to all 1Bmen?

 

Some pen guys could be red. You mention the chances of a vet or young guy stepping up to red, but the same chance exists that a red guy gets hurt or declined below red. IMO, you might have 4 red guys in your line up, yet you say you think you only need to add just two bats.

 

Please explain.

[Bellhorn04]

Yankees are having a disastrous season, but I'd say they're an excellent bet to finish ahead of the Sox. Maybe by a comfortable margin.

[moonslav59]

Yankees are having a disastrous season, but I'd say they're an excellent bet to finish ahead of the Sox. Maybe by a comfortable margin.

 

This year or next?