The 2023 Red Sox Budget

[notin]

Didn’t say Bogey was on the team. Said he was the best option.

 

He’s a better option than Correa and Turner?

[notin]

Didn’t say Bogey was on the team. Said he was the best option.

 

Not to mention, moonslav was listing the weakest spots a top the Sox current depth chart.

 

Jeter Downs is the top of the SS depth chart. Know why? MAYBE BECAUSE SS IS THE BIGGEST NEED!!

 

You really tried to discredit Soxprosoects for pointing out Downs is currently atop the Sox depth chart? Who else? Bogaerts can’t take over that spot until he gets signed…

[Old Red]

Not to mention, moonslav was listing the weakest spots a top the Sox current depth chart.

 

Jeter Downs is the top of the SS depth chart. Know why? MAYBE BECAUSE SS IS THE BIGGEST NEED!!

 

You really tried to discredit Soxprosoects for pointing out Downs is currently atop the Sox depth chart? Who else? Bogaerts can’t take over that spot until he gets signed…

Jeter Downs shouldn’t even be in Worcester let alone on any depth chart on the big league club.

[Old Red]

He’s a better option than Correa and Turner?

 

My opinion is yes. Bogey is proven, and proven in Boston, and yes in my opinion that means something.

[notin]

Jeter Downs shouldn’t even be in Worcester let alone on any depth chart on the big league club.

 

And yet he’s atop the current Sox shortstop depth chart. Unless you can name a player currently higher…

[notin]

My opinion is yes. Bogey is proven, and proven in Boston, and yes in my opinion that means something.

 

He’d be a better option if he wasn’t aging and weak defensively.

 

If Bogaerts would move to LF or 3b at some point, I’d like him better. Not sure if he still has that “I’m not moving off shortstop” attitude…

[Old Red]

You really don't get it.

 

The depth chart is who you have, now.

 

We all want to add a SS. Saying Bogey is the best option sounds a lot like you think he's a very high priority- perhaps even number one. You've often said the whole off season starts with the Bogey decision, yet when I say SS is the number one priority, you jump down my throat and accuse me of disliking those who think the pen is first.

I fully understand what a depth chart is, and at the moment the depth chart doesn’t mean a tinkers damm. Like I’ve said numerous times before the Bogey situation one way, or the other should have been cleared up long ago, but Bloom is still looking for that third option in the fork in the road like he was at the trade deadline. s***, or get off the pot. Letting Bogey getting to FA is just upping the price, which I think is what the Sox wants. Their actions speaks louder than words. All PR, and lip service.

[Old Red]

And yet he’s atop the current Sox shortstop depth chart. Unless you can name a player currently higher…

 

Story, Kike, or Arroyo would play there first, so that just shows the depth chart is useless.

[Old Red]

He’d be a better option if he wasn’t aging and weak defensively.

 

If Bogaerts would move to LF or 3b at some point, I’d like him better. Not sure if he still has that “I’m not moving off shortstop” attitude…

Nothing wrong in my opinion at the present time with Bogey having the I’m not moving off SS attitude. He is still good enough to play D at SS. I know other posters were complaining about it last offseason, but so be it.

[moonslav59]

Story, Kike, or Arroyo would play there first, so that just shows the depth chart is useless.

 

So, Sale, Bello and Pivetta can move to the pen, so the pen depth chart is useless, too?

[notin]

Story, Kike, or Arroyo would play there first, so that just shows the depth chart is useless.

 

Then who plays 2b or CF? The point is there’s some voids.

 

Of course arguing over which is the top priority is kind of stupid since they’ll all get addressed as best they can.

[moonslav59]

Then who plays 2b or CF? The point is there’s some voids.

 

Of course arguing over which is the top priority is kind of stupid since they’ll all get addressed as best they can.

 

Exaactly. We are almost 100%- certain to add at all 4 high need areas: SS, RF, SP, RP.

 

I just attempted to order them by highest need based on my opinion on what areas were worse off.

 

There is some gray area, because we don't know where Whitlock will be slotted, and we don't know about Houck's health or role. If both are placed in the pen, I'd say the other 3 areas are clearly worse off, right now.

 

Sure, we can move Kike or Story to SS and create another high need area where they vacate.

 

Sure, we could move Dugo to RF and open up a hole in LF.

 

[Old Red]

So, Sale, Bello and Pivetta can move to the pen, so the pen depth chart is useless, too?

 

Another extreme scenario. Comparing this scenario to Jeter Downs in any scenario is totally useless. That I agree.

[Old Red]

Exaactly. We are almost 100%- certain to add at all 4 high need areas: SS, RF, SP, RP.

 

I just attempted to order them by highest need based on my opinion on what areas were worse off.

 

There is some gray area, because we don't know where Whitlock will be slotted, and we don't know about Houck's health or role. If both are placed in the pen, I'd say the other 3 areas are clearly worse off, right now.

 

Sure, we can move Kike or Story to SS and create another high need area where they vacate.

 

Sure, we could move Dugo to RF and open up a hole in LF.

 

Amazing that I haven’t heard Cora, or Bloom say that Story would not be a option to play SS this coming year if the situation arises like he did this past year, so when you say We are almost 100%-certain to add to SS where is that information coming from? Someone’s opinion is far from a almost 100% certainly.

[Old Red]

Then who plays 2b or CF? The point is there’s some voids.

 

Of course arguing over which is the top priority is kind of stupid since they’ll all get addressed as best they can.

 

Top priority will get addressed as best they can sounds more like wishful thinking to me with Bloom making those decisions. The fact that the Bogey situation hasn’t been decided one way, or the other by now in my opinion doesn’t give much hope. Bloom’s best might not be someone else’s best.

[notin]

Top priority will get addressed as best they can sounds more like wishful thinking to me with Bloom making those decisions. The fact that the Bogey situation hasn’t been decided one way, or the other by now in my opinion doesn’t give much hope. Bloom’s best might not be someone else’s best.

 

Yes we get you don’t like his moves. You told us as much all the way through the ALCS 2 years ago…

[moonslav59]

Another extreme scenario. Comparing this scenario to Jeter Downs in any scenario is totally useless. That I agree.

 

Tell us, before any additions are made, who plays

 

2B

SS

LF

CF

RF

 

No, you can't have Story at 2B and SS or Kike in CF or 2B/SS.

 

Again, I'm not saying I'd start Downs. I'd have Arroyo at 2B or SS, if he's healthy, but Downs is up on the depth chart, whether we want him to be or not. It's not a useless thing to do to look at one's depth chart to determine which areas are the highest need.

 

We need a SS badly.

 

We need a corner OF'er badly.

 

We need a SP'er badly.

 

We need pen help badly.

 

In what order is personal preference. I am fine with different opinions, but when I state mine, I give my reasons, and they are not "extreme."

[Old Red]

Yes we get you don’t like his moves. You told us as much all the way through the ALCS 2 years ago…

 

And this past year it got us a losing record, and a last place in the Div finish.

[moonslav59]

Amazing that I haven’t heard Cora, or Bloom say that Story would not be a option to play SS this coming year if the situation arises like he did this past year, so when you say We are almost 100%-certain to add to SS where is that information coming from? Someone’s opinion is far from a almost 100% certainly.

 

You are all over the map.

 

Of course, opinions are based on assumptions. I never said it was a fact we'd sign a SS not a 2Bman. I'm giving my opinion, just like you stated your opinion that that the B ogey decision was going to be the first one. Did Cora or Bloom say that?

 

Stop acting like everyone else giving their opinions is like they are claiming it's 100% fact. It's more strawman construction by you, as always.

 

We have Kike and Story as the only two players we can expect will be starters to begin the season, barring injuries. Story can play 2B & SS and Kike can play CF, 2B & SS. That's 2 players for 3 positions. We have a great need at the third one. It's my opinion that 3rd position will be SS, but it is not a certainty. I didn't think I had to put a qualifier after every opinion I state, convincing you that it's just my opinion and not a stated fact.

 

Geeesh!

[moonslav59]

And this past year it got us a losing record, and a last place in the Div finish.

 

The past is the past, someone once said on this site.

 

2021 is the past, too.

[Old Red]

Tell us, before any additions are made, who plays

 

2B

SS

LF

CF

RF

 

No, you can't have Story at 2B and SS or Kike in CF or 2B/SS.

 

Again, I'm not saying I'd start Downs. I'd have Arroyo at 2B or SS, if he's healthy, but Downs is up on the depth chart, whether we want him to be or not. It's not a useless thing to do to look at one's depth chart to determine which areas are the highest need.

 

We need a SS badly.

 

We need a corner OF'er badly.

 

We need a SP'er badly.

 

We need pen help badly.

 

In what order is personal preference. I am fine with different opinions, but when I state mine, I give my reasons, and they are not "extreme."

 

To say who plays these positions before any additions are made is a useless game just like any depth charts are useless also. I’ve already stated many times since last offseason what the biggest need is, so why keep playing the game back, and forth? It’s already been answered. You led the league in scenarios, and that’s fine for you, but if you have to look at a depth chart to tell you what the biggest needs are you are in trouble to begin with, and I hope Bloom is not doing that. Being hung up on Jeter Downs will get you nowhere.

[Old Red]

You are all over the map.

 

Of course, opinions are based on assumptions. I never said it was a fact we'd sign a SS not a 2Bman. I'm giving my opinion, just like you stated your opinion that that the B ogey decision was going to be the first one. Did Cora or Bloom say that?

 

Stop acting like everyone else giving their opinions is like they are claiming it's 100% fact. It's more strawman construction by you, as always.

 

We have Kike and Story as the only two players we can expect will be starters to begin the season, barring injuries. Story can play 2B & SS and Kike can play CF, 2B & SS. That's 2 players for 3 positions. We have a great need at the third one. It's my opinion that 3rd position will be SS, but it is not a certainty. I didn't think I had to put a qualifier after every opinion I state, convincing you that it's just my opinion and not a stated fact.

 

Geeesh![/QUOT

Geeesh is nothing is almost a 100% certainly. If Cora has not said Story will not play SS how can that be a almost 100% certainly that they will sign a SS? All over the map? Like I said you lead the league in scenarios. This all started once again with you not liking the opinion that the BP, and closer was the biggest need. I get all your points on why it shouldn’t be, but we just disagree, and that’s the way it will stay.

[Hugh2]

Who says the Sox HAVE to sign a SS? They don't have to do anything. It's a highly intelligent and logical argument that they will.

 

Storys decline in arm strength (perhaps overblown), and the Sox repetitive talk of him staying at 2nd, and their talk of prioritizing Bogaerts makes it abundantly clear they're targeting a SS.

 

Every GM realizes there are 29 other teams doing the same thing. If you have a plan A and no other plan you're not doing your job. I'm sure there's a scenario where they sign Jurickson Profar to play 2nd and move Story over to SS. But that's probably Plan E or F at this point. Plan A,B,C,D is likely Bogaerts, Correa, Turner, Swanson.

 

Story could very well end up playing SS in 2023. But does anyone actually think this is likely?????

[Old Red]

Who says the Sox HAVE to sign a SS? They don't have to do anything. It's a highly intelligent and logical argument that they will.

 

Storys decline in arm strength (perhaps overblown), and the Sox repetitive talk of him staying at 2nd, and their talk of prioritizing Bogaerts makes it abundantly clear they're targeting a SS.

 

Every GM realizes there are 29 other teams doing the same thing. If you have a plan A and no other plan you're not doing your job. I'm sure there's a scenario where they sign Jurickson Profar to play 2nd and move Story over to SS. But that's probably Plan E or F at this point. Plan A,B,C,D is likely Bogaerts, Correa, Turner, Swanson.

 

Story could very well end up playing SS in 2023. But does anyone actually think this is likely?????

Saying they are prioritizing Bogey to me has nothing to do with Story,, or the fact that Bogey plays SS, but the fact that Bogey is, and has been an important piece to the organization, and it wouldn’t matter if Bogey played LF he would still be a priority in resigning him.

[Hugh2]

Saying they are prioritizing Bogey to me has nothing to do with Story,, or the fact that Bogey plays SS, but the fact that Bogey is, and has been an important piece to the organization, and it wouldn’t matter if Bogey played LF he would still be a priority in resigning him.

 

lol, so the Sox resigning Bogey has nothing to do with Story playing SS. Then why didn't Story play SS in 2022? riddle me that.

[Hugh2]

And this past year it got us a losing record, and a last place in the Div finish.

 

Ironically with many of the same guys who got us to the ALCS on the DL.

 

We need a GM who can predict future DL stints!!!!!!! Who is he????? Where is he?????

[Old Red]

lol, so the Sox resigning Bogey has nothing to do with Story playing SS. Then why didn't Story play SS in 2022? riddle me that.

 

I’ve already said my opinion on why the Red Sox say they are prioritizing signing Bogey. Personally I just think it is lip service, and PR, but we’ll see. Why didn’t Story play SS this past year? Really? I didn’t ask Cora, or Bloom, but I’ll take a wild guess, and say they already have a SS.

[Hugh2]

I’ve already said my opinion on why the Red Sox say they are prioritizing signing Bogey. Personally I just think it is lip service, and PR, but we’ll see. Why didn’t Story play SS this past year? Really? I didn’t ask Cora, or Bloom, but I’ll take a wild guess, and say they already have a SS.

 

ding ding ding ding ding. So you assume Story moves over to SS and they sign a 2nd baseman?

 

WHy? the FA class for short stops is 10000X better than second baseman PLUS it's been said over and over again Story's arm is best suited for 2nd now. I don't think it's out of question Story plays SS in 2023, but it's so unlikely, its not really worth the discussion. IDK, If i had to guess, I'd say it's maybe a 2% chance. How likely do you think its?

 

And if he does move to SS, who plays second?

[Old Red]

ding ding ding ding ding. So you assume Story moves over to SS and they sign a 2nd baseman?

 

WHy? the FA class for short stops is 10000X better than second baseman PLUS it's been said over and over again Story's arm is best suited for 2nd now. I don't think it's out of question Story plays SS in 2023, but it's so unlikely, its not really worth the discussion. IDK, If i had to guess, I'd say it's maybe a 2% chance. How likely do you think its?

 

And if he does move to SS, who plays second?

Where does it say I assumed? The assumption has been on here that Story will play 2B, and the Red Sox will sign a SS, so ding, ding,ding, ding, ding all I said was I haven’t heard Cora, or Bloom say Story would be staying at 2B. Who would play 2B would be determined later just like who would be playing SS. The Rangers signed 2 SS last year, so who knows, but no assumption was made by me, but raised a question.

[Hugh2]

Where does it say I assumed? The assumption has been on here that Story will play 2B, and the Red Sox will sign a SS, so ding, ding,ding, ding, ding all I said was I haven’t heard Cora, or Bloom say Story would be staying at 2B. Who would play 2B would be determined later just like who would be playing SS. The Rangers signed 2 SS last year, so who knows, but no assumption was made by me, but raised a question.

 

So seriously question, how likely is it that Story plays SS next year in your opinion? and if so who replaces him at 2nd?