9/02 Rangers @ SOX 7:10PM ET

[Tedballgame]

Arroyo is a late bloomer who has really found a home with the Red Sox. He is a super utility man.

[vegasbob]

Note: Tavares in CF made a terrible break (back first, then in) and could/should have dived for that. What did he have to lose? I thought for a moment we had traded Duran to Texas

[FredLynn]

I assume you skipped Ohtani because he has 6 tools, maybe more

 

Does Ohtani steal bases too?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I assume you skipped Ohtani because he has 6 tools, maybe more

 

 

He doesn't play defense. I'm referring to the traditional 5 tool requirements. 1)hits 2)hits with power 3)excellent defense 4)strong arm and 5)speed.

[Maxbialystock]

Kike forgot there were two outs, thus the long pause. He still scored.

 

Some big hits with RISP.

[Tedballgame]

The only proven MLB 5 tool players I'm aware of that are playing today are Trout and Betts. Can anyone think of any others?

 

I like 2 tool players like Ohtani: He can hit and pitch.

[vegasbob]

Yes, he actually does. He has 11 this year in addition to his 30 HRs and 82 rbi's so far. Oh yeah, he has 11 pitching wins and a 2.78 ERA on a way sub .500 team. He is the real deal and will be looking at a $500K/12 year deal after 2023

[vegasbob]

He doesn't play defense. I'm referring to the traditional 5 tool requirements. 1)hits 2)hits with power 3)excellent defense 4)strong arm and 5)speed.

 

He actually played RF in 2021 when the Angels lost a couple guys to injury, one of them the IL'ed Trout

[redsoxrules]

Does Ohtani steal bases too?

 

He as more stolen bases than mookie Betts in the last 2 seasons

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Yes, he actually does. He has 11 this year in addition to his 30 HRs and 82 rbi's so far. Oh yeah, he has 11 pitching wins and a 2.78 ERA on a way sub .500 team. He is the real deal and will be looking at a $500K/12 year deal after 2023

 

Seeing that he's 28, do you think he might take 400mil for 10 years?

[Maxbialystock]

He doesn't play defense. I'm referring to the traditional 5 tool requirements. 1)hits 2)hits with power 3)excellent defense 4)strong arm and 5)speed.

 

I would put Aaron Judge in that category because I've seen him make some great plays in the outfield and some really good throws. But his DWAR's lately haven't been that great. He has 3 more SB's this year than Mookie.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I would put Aaron Judge in that category because I've seen him make some great plays in the outfield and some really good throws. But his DWAR's lately haven't been that great. He has 3 more SB's this year than Mookie.

 

The 5th tool "speed' is unclear. I'm not sure it just weighs that heavily on stolen bases.

[Maxbialystock]

Cora seems to be working magic with that bullpen. All the right moves. But, despite my incessant griping about the, the players deserve the credit.

 

Why did he pull Pivetta after 50 pitches?

[Maxbialystock]

The 5th tool "speed' is unclear. I'm not sure it just weighs that heavily on stolen bases.

 

Well, except for a phenom like JBJ, I think most excellent outfielders need to have good wheels as well as a good eye and good arm. I think speed is an appropriate 5th tool.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

The ultimate 5 tool players were Mays and Mantle(before he damaged his leg.) Also Barry Bonds before he 'bulked up.'

[vegasbob]

Seeing that he's 28, do you think he might take 400mil for 10 years?

 

I think one of the questions for teams east of the Pacific Time Zone is whether Ohtani wants to be away from the West Coast. New York ( Mets/Yankees) will probably be interested but so will the Dodgers, maybe Giants.

[Maxbialystock]

I'm no fan of the Rangers, their manager, or Keuchel, but, despite the Sox 4 runs, I too would have sent him out to pitch the 5th. His stuff has been working.

[vegasbob]

Cora seems to be working magic with that bullpen. All the right moves. But, despite my incessant griping about the, the players deserve the credit.

 

Why did he pull Pivetta after 50 pitches?

 

Pivetta got walloped in the calf with a hot shot to the mound, got the out but could barely walk himself back to the dugout/clubhouse. It could be a nasty contusion.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Well, except for a phenom like JBJ, I think most excellent outfielders need to have good wheels as well as a good eye and good arm. I think speed is an appropriate 5th tool.

 

JBJ had the gift of getting excellent jumps on fly balls. I wouldn't describe him having exceptional speed.

[Maxbialystock]

Devers gets the call on a strike.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Devers' delivery service appears to be back in business.

[Maxbialystock]

JBJ had the gift of getting excellent jumps on fly balls. I wouldn't describe him having exceptional speed.

 

He also had a decent arm, which is why every now and then he played RF. But every year his DWAR's have been in negative territory. He's never had much speed.

[moonslav59]

Cora should be fired for not benching Devers!

 

[vegasbob]

This young guy Rafael D may have a future somewhere. Notice that he has adjusted his swing from violent hacks to smooth swings going both directions, using the whole field. Somebody got to his head and the results are great.

[moonslav59]

JBJ had the gift of getting excellent jumps on fly balls. I wouldn't describe him having exceptional speed.

 

He had a long stride that made his speed look deceiving, but no, he wasn't all that fast.

[vegasbob]

I'm no fan of the Rangers, their manager, or Keuchel, but, despite the Sox 4 runs, I too would have sent him out to pitch the 5th. His stuff has been working.

 

Do what, Max ? It's all a crapshoot and crapshooters play the game

[FredLynn]

Nice swing by Martinez-for a change

[Maxbialystock]

Devers' delivery service appears to be back in business.

 

You think? My goodness gracious!!!

 

Is it my imagination or is he limping a little?

 

JDM on 2d base with an rbi double. Cora strikes again.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

At this point I would classify Devers as a 3.5 tool player. Could easily become a full 4 tool player.

[Maxbialystock]

Do what, Max ? It's all a crapshoot and crapshooters play the game

 

It soitainly is that.