5/19 vs M's

[moonslav59]

I guess it depends on who you can get to replace him, and the cost to something comparable.

 

I would not be surprised to see JD replaced with Dalbec, assuming Dalbec heats up again, this summer. (Note: I'm not saying I like the idea.)

 

FA at C

Casas at 1B

FA at 2B or Downs/Arroyo/Hamilton/Arauz

Story at SS

Devers at 3B

Verdugo in LF

FA in CF

FA in RF

FA or Dalbec/Cordero/Koss at DH

[Maxbialystock]

Houck's ERA went from 5.40 to 4.70.

 

Hill's from 2.89 to 3.90.

 

Hill got hit, but I think he's still a pretty good 5th man after Wacha, Whitlock, Pivetta, and Eovaldi. Of those four, Wacha and Whitlock have the good ERA's (1.38 and 2.43), but Pivetta and Eovaldi each have three quality starts. Pivetta and Eovaldi lead in starts with 8 each, and Pivetta has thrown the most innings, 42.2 vs. Eovaldi's 41.2.

 

I don't have the stats, but my impression of this pitching staff is that none of them can throw the heater with impunity--and especially not Eovaldi.

[moonslav59]

If you could get JD back for something like 3 for $50 mill, I think that would work.

 

I'd offer than, as of right now.

[moonslav59]

Hill got hit, but I think he's still a pretty good 5th man after Wacha, Whitlock, Pivetta, and Eovaldi. Of those four, Wacha and Whitlock have the good ERA's (1.38 and 2.43), but Pivetta and Eovaldi each have three quality starts. Pivetta and Eovaldi lead in starts with 8 each, and Pivetta has thrown the most innings, 42.2 vs. Eovaldi's 41.2.

 

I don't have the stats, but my impression of this pitching staff is that none of them can throw the heater with impunity--and especially not Eovaldi.

 

I'm not worried about Hill's performance- only his health.

 

That was his first bad start in over 40 starts.

[Bellhorn04]

JD is having a great year so far, but let's not pretend that most of us didn't cringe the past few seasons when he swung and missed repeatedly at sliders down and away. Either he has made the proper adjustments to lay off that pitch or he has crept closer to the plate and is going oppo more (it's likely both).

 

The fact is that JD has been raking since 2014, with the exception of one bad 60-game season.

 

And you could look it up...

[moonslav59]

The fact is that JD has been raking since 2014, with the exception of one bad 60-game season.

 

And you could look it up...

 

To think he got cut by the Astros!

 

OPS+ since 2014

154

139

142

168

165

170

173

139

79 (COVID Year)

126

172

 

Amazing consistency: besides 2020, he's been between 126 and 173 for 10 years!

[Bellhorn04]

To think he got cut by the Astros!

 

OPS+ since 2014

154

139

142

168

165

170

173

139

79 (COVID Year)

126

172

 

Amazing consistency: besides 2020, he's been between 126 and 173 for 10 years!

 

OPS+ with Red Sox

 

Ortiz 148

JD 140

[notin]

Actually, JBJ, from what I've seen, appears to be a very good bunter. I agree he should bunt more often, perhaps every time at bat.

 

Bradley is an excellent bunter but limits doing so to sacrifice situations. I can’t recall ever seeing him try to bunt his way on to first..

[Bellhorn04]

Bradley is an excellent bunter but limits doing so to sacrifice situations. I can’t recall ever seeing him try to bunt his way on to first..

 

Right here. 5th inning.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS202204150.shtml

[moonslav59]

ops+ with red sox

 

ortiz 148

jd 140

 

wow!

[Old Red]

I would not be surprised to see JD replaced with Dalbec, assuming Dalbec heats up again, this summer. (Note: I'm not saying I like the idea.)

 

FA at C

Casas at 1B

FA at 2B or Downs/Arroyo/Hamilton/Arauz

Story at SS

Devers at 3B

Verdugo in LF

FA in CF

FA in RF

FA or Dalbec/Cordero/Koss at DH

 

I’ve heard so many times that the Red Sox have all this money coming off the books after this year, and that is true, but if you have to take that money to use to replace all the players that the money is coming off the books from except from Price to replace them how are you ahead? Then if the players you replace with are not as good as the players being replaced, which could happen especially with Bogey you could go backwards. Doesn’t sound like that good of a plan to me.

[notin]

Right here. 5th inning.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS202204150.shtml

 

Well done.

 

He does need to do that more often…

[notin]

I’ve heard so many times that the Red Sox have all this money coming off the books after this year, and that is true, but if you have to take that money to use to replace all the players that the money is coming off the books from except from Price to replace them how are you ahead? Then if the players you replace with are not as good as the players being replaced, which could happen especially with Bogey you could go backwards. Doesn’t sound like that good of a plan to me.

 

Yes, the plan is to replace them with worse players. You found the flaw…

[Old Red]

Yes, the plan is to replace them with worse players. You found the flaw…

 

It may cost more money to replace the players your losing if you want someone just as good, and I for one don’t trust Bloom. How much do you think it would cost someone compared to Bogey? You are just taking it for granted that Bloom can do this, and I don’t.

[mvp 78]

I’ve heard so many times that the Red Sox have all this money coming off the books after this year, and that is true, but if you have to take that money to use to replace all the players that the money is coming off the books from except from Price to replace them how are you ahead? Then if the players you replace with are not as good as the players being replaced, which could happen especially with Bogey you could go backwards. Doesn’t sound like that good of a plan to me.

 

They wanted to replace JD with Dalbec when Dalbec was hitting like it was August 2021 and he had a 1200 OPS.

[Old Red]

They wanted to replace JD with Dalbec when Dalbec was hitting like it was August 2021 and he had a 1200 OPS.

 

If Bobby D doesn’t pick it up soon Bobby D may be replacing someone from the Woo Sox.

[moonslav59]

I’ve heard so many times that the Red Sox have all this money coming off the books after this year, and that is true, but if you have to take that money to use to replace all the players that the money is coming off the books from except from Price to replace them how are you ahead? Then if the players you replace with are not as good as the players being replaced, which could happen especially with Bogey you could go backwards. Doesn’t sound like that good of a plan to me.

 

Who said we'd only sign worse players?

 

Also, it is possible to spend the money on the 6 big gaps that will be open on 8-9 players and technically take a step down at all 6 "open slots" but still be just as good, because you are deeper and improved another 2-3 slost by a combined amount bigger than what we lost at the 6 slots.

 

We could lose Bogey & Kike and add Judge and play Arroyo at 2B. Is that a net loss? Yes, we got worse at 2B, but way better in RF. (I'm not saying Bloom will splurge on Judge, bujt can we wait to see what he does with $100+M to spend?[

 

We've only seen Bloom spend big on one player: Story, and he's been playing about 6-7 weeks. Can we really learn that much about Bloom based on one big signing?

 

You make a good point about man of us seemingly blindly trusting Bloom will do fine signing stars. We really cannot know about this area of his "game," but it seems like many are assuming he will fail, and/or that Bogey cannot be replaced, in kind.

 

We need a SP'er, Catcher, 2Bman, closer and 2 OF'ers & DH. We will probably use Houck or Whitlock as a closer or SP'er, so maybe we have 6-7 major slots to fill and close to $100-110M to spend. Maybe we spend $10M on some depth and have $90-100M leftover to fill those 6-7 major slots.

Replace:

Wacha/Hill

Vazquez

Strahm

Bogey

Kike

JBJ

JD

 

I know it's hard to find a good catcher, but improving on Vaz might be easier and cheaper than we think. Improving on the 2022 Kike and JBJ, could be done with $5M each. We could have $20M to spend on SP, 2B, OF and DH, assuming we use Whitlock or Houck as a closer.

 

Why imply we will fail?

[mvp 78]

If Bobby D doesn’t pick it up soon Bobby D may be replacing someone from the Woo Sox.

 

I posted yesterday that he should be grabbing an outfielder's glove and running around Worcester for a while. I'd swap him with Fitzgerald.

[moonslav59]

I posted yesterday that he should be grabbing an outfielder's glove and running around Worcester for a while. I'd swap him with Fitzgerald.

 

Or, Cordero for Fitzy.

[Old Red]

Who said we'd only sign worse players?

 

Also, it is possible to spend the money on the 6 big gaps that will be open on 8-9 players and technically take a step down at all 6 "open slots" but still be just as good, because you are deeper and improved another 2-3 slost by a combined amount bigger than what we lost at the 6 slots.

 

We could lose Bogey & Kike and add Judge and play Arroyo at 2B. Is that a net loss? Yes, we got worse at 2B, but way better in RF. (I'm not saying Bloom will splurge on Judge, bujt can we wait to see what he does with $100+M to spend?[

 

We've only seen Bloom spend big on one player: Story, and he's been playing about 6-7 weeks. Can we really learn that much about Bloom based on one big signing?

 

You make a good point about man of us seemingly blindly trusting Bloom will do fine signing stars. We really cannot know about this area of his "game," but it seems like many are assuming he will fail, and/or that Bogey cannot be replaced, in kind.

 

We need a SP'er, Catcher, 2Bman, closer and 2 OF'ers & DH. We will probably use Houck or Whitlock as a closer or SP'er, so maybe we have 6-7 major slots to fill and close to $100-110M to spend. Maybe we spend $10M on some depth and have $90-100M leftover to fill those 6-7 major slots.

Replace:

Wacha/Hill

Vazquez

Strahm

Bogey

Kike

JBJ

JD

 

I know it's hard to find a good catcher, but improving on Vaz might be easier and cheaper than we think. Improving on the 2022 Kike and JBJ, could be done with $5M each. We could have $20M to spend on SP, 2B, OF and DH, assuming we use Whitlock or Houck as a closer.

 

Why imply we will fail?

 

Nobody is saying they will fail, and no one is saying they will sign worse players but I said it could happen once again it could happen, and you could go backwards. Once again it was could happen. What good does it do to have all kinds of money coming off the books if you have to use it for replacements for what you are losing? That was my main point, and I for one don’t trust Bloom. I’m not counting on any big signing like Judge, and like Raffy his paycheck is getting bigger everyday, and at this point I’m not sure JH will open his checkbook for Raffy. Once again I was just throwing the possibility out there that they may end up worse off then they were, and Not that they would.

[moonslav59]

Nobody is saying they will fail, and no one is saying they will sign worse players but I said it could happen once again it could happen, and you could go backwards. Once again it was could happen. What good does it do to have all kinds of money coming off the books if you have to use it for replacements for what you are losing? That was my main point, and I for one don’t trust Bloom. I’m not counting on any big signing like Judge, and like Raffy his paycheck is getting bigger everyday, and at this point I’m not sure JH will open his checkbook for Raffy. Once again I was just throwing the possibility out there that they may end up worse off then they were, and Not that they would.

 

Of course, we could end up worse. I'm hopeful the Price money added into the pool helps us get better. I also think we can improve at 3-4 slots without spending much.

 

We could also fail by bringing Bogey, JD and Wacha back at team friendly rates. Nothing is guaranteed.

[Old Red]

Of course, we could end up worse. I'm hopeful the Price money added into the pool helps us get better. I also think we can improve at 3-4 slots without spending much.

 

We could also fail by bringing Bogey, JD and Wacha back at team friendly rates. Nothing is guaranteed.

 

One big problem would be to replace 2 of your best hitters, and their production, and that won’t be a cheap replacement. Buying cheap you usually get what you pay for. Last year Renfroe, and Kike worked out well, but how often to you get 96 RBI for $3M? If Raffy isn’t signed next year a good chunk of Price’s money will go to Raffy’s arb year. Yes we could fail by bringing back Bogey, and JD, but I’d trust Bogey more than I would his replacement, and I don’t even know who that would be. Bogey is a proven commodity in Boston, and I’ll take that anyday.

[mvp 78]

Or, Cordero for Fitzy.

 

@JoeyMacHockey

Ryan Fitzgerald spending a lot of time working at first today.

[moonslav59]

One big problem would be to replace 2 of your best hitters, and their production, and that won’t be a cheap replacement. Buying cheap you usually get what you pay for. Last year Renfroe, and Kike worked out well, but how often to you get 96 RBI for $3M? If Raffy isn’t signed next year a good chunk of Price’s money will go to Raffy’s arb year. Yes we could fail by bringing back Bogey, and JD, but I’d trust Bogey more than I would his replacement, and I don’t even know who that would be. Bogey is a proven commodity in Boston, and I’ll take that anyday.

 

I'm not saying buy cheap, but we may have to go cheap at Catcher or one OF slot, or count on someone in the system to fill a slot. Not all our slots are all stars needed a replacement in kind. Bogey, JD and maybe Wacha/Hill. With $100-110M, we should be able to spend big- maybe just Story like big- on 3 or maybe even 4 positions.

 

$25M SP

$20M 2B

$18M DH

$17M OF

 

That's not going cheap, and it still leaves $20-30M for the other 4-5 slots that aren't doing all that great, now.

 

Maybe we dare trade a prospect or two to fill one big slot, and that would add $4-5M to each of the other 3 slots, like trade for SP and spend:

 

$25M 2B

$25M OF

$20M DH

$15M Closer

 

There are a lot of encouraging ways to look at how to spend the money, but who knows what Bloom will do.

 

Maybe he spends the $100M on 10 guys between $8-20M, and we look like we decline at 2B, SP and DH, but we could improve at C, CF, RF, SP3, SP4, RP2 andRP4.