Sale and Paxton delayed

[redsoxrules]

We wouldn't be in this situation if the Sox didn't sign Story. Bogey has always said he wanted to be a Red Sox for life. Even opting out doesn't mean he doesn't want to. They could restructured his deal. But no, they go ahead and sign Story. What does that tell Bogey? That they have no interest to really extend him which is a shame. Bogey has been underpaid really with his performance based on other SS in the game.

[moonslav59]

We wouldn't be in this situation if the Sox didn't sign Story. Bogey has always said he wanted to be a Red Sox for life. Even opting out doesn't mean he doesn't want to. They could restructured his deal. But no, they go ahead and sign Story. What does that tell Bogey? That they have no interest to really extend him which is a shame. Bogey has been underpaid really with his performance based on other SS in the game.

 

I think the Sox saw the writing on the wall. They were never going to pay Bogey what they expect he'd make elsewhere, so they acted proactively, like it or not, and signed Story to be our SS after Bogey leaves.

 

The offer they reportedly made Bogey shows they were never serious about paying him enough to keep him.

 

No, they had no real interest in extending him.

[notin]

We wouldn't be in this situation if the Sox didn't sign Story. Bogey has always said he wanted to be a Red Sox for life. Even opting out doesn't mean he doesn't want to. They could restructured his deal. But no, they go ahead and sign Story. What does that tell Bogey? That they have no interest to really extend him which is a shame. Bogey has been underpaid really with his performance based on other SS in the game.

 

They all want to play for one team for life when they can’t negotiate with anyone else. But Bogaerts didn’t hire Scott Boras so he could take a hometown discount.

[JDavis76]

They all want to play for one team for life when they can’t negotiate with anyone else. But Bogaerts didn’t hire Scott Boras so he could take a hometown discount.

 

Spot on......

[Kimmi]

They all want to play for one team for life when they can’t negotiate with anyone else. But Bogaerts didn’t hire Scott Boras so he could take a hometown discount.

 

Fair or not, a player always goes down a notch on my respect scale when he hires Boras as his agent.

 

Regardless, signing Story is not the reason this offense is as inept as it is.

[Bellhorn04]

Fair or not, a player always goes down a notch on my respect scale when he hires Boras as his agent.

 

Regardless, signing Story is not the reason this offense is as inept as it is.

 

There are numerous culprits. He's been one of them.

[Kimmi]

There are numerous culprits. He's been one of them.

 

Of course. I'm not blaming the terrible offense on the fact that we signed Story though.

[Bellhorn04]

Of course. I'm not blaming the terrible offense on the fact that we signed Story though.

 

I don't think anyone is blaming it on that alone.

[harmony]

Fair or not, a player always goes down a notch on my respect scale when he hires Boras as his agent.

That's akin to a fan of a small-market team losing respect for a player who signs with a big-market team.

[jacksonianmarch]

Fair or not, a player always goes down a notch on my respect scale when he hires Boras as his agent.

 

Regardless, signing Story is not the reason this offense is as inept as it is.

 

They go up in my mind. Every person in this country should have the ability to sell their skills to the highest bidder.

[Bellhorn04]

Boras isn't really the devil anymore. Heck, the deal Bogey signed that he's in right now was below market.

[dgalehouse]

Fair or not, a player always goes down a notch on my respect scale when he hires Boras as his agent.

 

Regardless, signing Story is not the reason this offense is as inept as it is.

You certainly can have as much or as little respect for a player as you want. But they have every right to try and maximize their earnings. It is not fair to hold that against them.

[mvp 78]

You certainly can have as much or as little respect for a player as you want. But they have every right to try and maximize their earnings. It is not fair to hold that against them.

 

Yup. If they play well, they have earned every penny.

[notin]

Boras isn't really the devil anymore. Heck, the deal Bogey signed that he's in right now was below market.

 

True, but also why it has an opt out…

[Old Red]

True, but also why it has an opt out…

 

Lots of contracts has opt outs today.

[Bellhorn04]

True, but also why it has an opt out…

 

Price's contract had an opt out. JD's had multiple opt outs.

[Kimmi]

That's akin to a fan of a small-market team losing respect for a player who signs with a big-market team.

 

Not necessarily. I can see it to some extent, but it depends on what kind of contract the small market team offered.

 

I just have an issue with players who simply go after the most money.

[Kimmi]

They go up in my mind. Every person in this country should have the ability to sell their skills to the highest bidder.

 

I don't disagree with that, but I think there are other factors to be considered, like happiness and uprooting your family, that need to be considered. Especially when the player is going to be set for life either way.

[Kimmi]

You certainly can have as much or as little respect for a player as you want. But they have every right to try and maximize their earnings. It is not fair to hold that against them.

 

Yes, they have the right to maximize earnings. I just wish that maximizing earning wasn't the only consideration. Some of these players come across as greedy and ego driven.

[Bellhorn04]

Not necessarily. I can see it to some extent, but it depends on what kind of contract the small market team offered.

 

I just have an issue with players who simply go after the most money.

 

But why players who choose Boras in particular? As I said, Bogey's existing deal was by no means a greedy one.

[Kimmi]

But why players who choose Boras in particular? As I said, Bogey's existing deal was by no means a greedy one.

 

Because of Boras' reputation, I guess.

 

I liked Bogey's first deal. At the time, I posted about how much respect I had for Bogaerts for probably leaving some money on the table to stay with the Red Sox. I think he deserves a really good deal, certainly better than the reported offer the Sox gave him. But not the $200 million that he is supposedly looking for.

[JDavis76]

Because of Boras' reputation, I guess.

 

I liked Bogey's first deal. At the time, I posted about how much respect I had for Bogaerts for probably leaving some money on the table to stay with the Red Sox. I think he deserves a really good deal, certainly better than the reported offer the Sox gave him. But not the $200 million that he is supposedly looking for.

 

Why doesn't he deserve $200M considering what the other FA SS's just got paid?

[moonslav59]

But why players who choose Boras in particular? As I said, Bogey's existing deal was by no means a greedy one.

 

I would guess that most BorA$$ clients do better than they would have with the majority of other agents.

 

The guy does his homework.

 

I'm not sure he turns off owners enough to not bargain for someone they want, because he's the agent.

[Kimmi]

Why doesn't he deserve $200M considering what the other FA SS's just got paid?

 

None of them deserved it either.

 

Actually, I should probably rephrase. "Deserve" isn't the right word. He's not worth giving that kind of contract to.

[JDavis76]

None of them deserved it either.

 

Actually, I should probably rephrase. "Deserve" isn't the right word. He's not worth giving that kind of contract to.

 

Well, that's what the market dictates.....

[moonslav59]

Why doesn't he deserve $200M considering what the other FA SS's just got paid?

 

Only Seager got more than $175M, this winter. (Other got more, last season.)

 

$325M/10 Seager (I'm not sure anyone but the Rangers GM thought he was worth that)

 

$175M/7 Semien

 

$140M/6 Story

$140M/6 Baez

 

$105M/3 Correa (opt outs)

[JDavis76]

Only Seager got more than $175M, this winter. (Other got more, last season.)

 

$325M/10 Seager (I'm not sure anyone but the Rangers GM thought he was worth that)

 

$175M/7 Semien

 

$140M/6 Story

$140M/6 Baez

 

$105M/3 Correa (opt outs)

 

And I think xbo might be better than most of those listed.

[Kimmi]

Well, that's what the market dictates.....

 

That's because there are some unwise GMs out there.

[moonslav59]

And I think xbo might be better than most of those listed.

 

Better offensively, no doubt, but better than $140M/6 might not be $200M.

[moonslav59]

That's because there are some unwise GMs out there.

 

Who here thinks Seager was worth almost double Semien and more than double Story & Baez? (Of course, not per year, but still...)