Fire Bloom .

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Is it though? Because Henry signs the checks, and probably doesn't care at all what posters, media and vocal fans say.

 

I'm with you on that, because I said Bloom wouldn't get canned no matter what happens this season... because my conjecture is that he's still doing what he was hired to do.

[mvp 78]

Is it though? Because Henry signs the checks, and probably doesn't care at all what posters, media and vocal fans say.

 

Unless you believe the Bruins fan berated him into signing Raffy into the long term deal...

[Bellhorn04]

This debate largely started over the failure to return two more oft-injured pitchers to a staff that’s short-handed due to injury. With Sale and Paxton already here, should the Sox have gambled on Wacha and/or Eovaldi as well? This staff is already loaded with pitchers who cannot withstand a full season to the point where Nick Pivetta is actually considered sn “innings eater” because he can reach 150IP in a year.

 

Kluber was never going to be anything more than a one year stopgap (unless he dazzled). But why do people want all these injury-prone atms on the rotation on multiyear deals? Not happy with the low total of starter IP just from Sale?

 

For me it's just general frustration with this year's rotation and Bloom's failure to improve it.

 

Add in the lousy defense that's also inflating our runs allowed as a bonus.

[notin]

... sure, except for all those posters, media and vocal fans who said this year is make or break for Bloom.

 

Not one of whom gets to make that call…

[Bellhorn04]

The easiest thing to do is always criticize everything retrospectively without ever stating which moves you want to make ahead of time.

 

"Bloom sucks. He shoulda kept this guy. He's good this year!"

 

"Ok, so who do you think Bloom should pick up this offseason?"

 

"I don't know. That's not my job!"

 

It's true though, it isn't our job. And we do come up with lots of great ideas, but Bloom consistently ignores us.

[notin]

For me it's just general frustration with this year's rotation and Bloom's failure to improve it.

 

Add in the lousy defense that's also inflating our runs allowed as a bonus.

 

The sad part with the defensive flaws has been the reluctance to change anything.

 

Again, I’m fine with Kike getting a shot as a makeshift shortstop, but what does he have to do to lose that role? Hit poorly? Apparently not. Field poorly? That’s not it either. Maybe his lackluster baserunning will be the difference maker…

[Bellhorn04]

The WOO starting rotation can't even compete in AAA. I'm sure it would be glorious to see after they were all pitching at Fenway in August.

 

Chris Murphy 7.71 ERA

Brandon Walter 6.75 ERA

Bryan Mata 5.61 ERA and injured

 

Brutal. We have absolutely zero depth.

[mvp 78]

For me it's just general frustration with this year's rotation and Bloom's failure to improve it.

 

Add in the lousy defense that's also inflating our runs allowed as a bonus.

 

If Bloom is unwilling to dip into the trade market, the starting rotation is going to suck for a while. FA's are 50/50 at best. Sox aren't known for developing starters and there aren't a lot of high end guys in the minors right now. It's a hitter heavy farm.

[Old Red]

The sad part with the defensive flaws has been the reluctance to change anything.

 

Again, I’m fine with Kike getting a shot as a makeshift shortstop, but what does he have to do to lose that role? Hit poorly? Apparently not. Field poorly? That’s not it either. Maybe his lackluster baserunning will be the difference maker…

He’s Cora’s favorite son. End of story.

[Bellhorn04]

In August, 2022: “Why didn’t Bloom trade JD?”

 

In June, 2023: “Why didn’t Bloom keep JD?”

 

Both could have been done, of course.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

They want to "compete" year in and year out. They are having considerable trouble figuring out how to run it back when changing out the roster every year.

 

34,192 -- yesterday's attendance in crap weather to watch crap defense and inadequate pitching and hitting. Henry has no reason to change anything "because he's shown in the past he'll spend big for a winner."

 

There's absolutely no reason to expect anything more next offseason from Bloom except more one-year contract offers the latest comebacking rehabbing veterans in the twilight of our fandoms.

[Old Red]

Both could have been done, of course.

 

One on here wanted to give Flintstone Schwaber a lifetime contract during the 2021 postseason run. How would that have been?

[Bellhorn04]

So, in short, Bloom built a crappy team last year, and his big mistake this year was not bringing back the same team.

 

Got it!

 

I don't like this argument. Using the same logic we should have hated the Devers extension.

 

Just because the 2022 team went 78-84 doesn't mean everyone sucked. Bogaerts and Wacha were clearly not problems, so wanting them back does make some sense.

[notin]

Both could have been done, of course.

 

But the calls to trade JD weren’t because of his hitting. He did exercise two options to stay in Boston, most likely because he knew he wouldn’t do better elsewhere given his performance…

[Old Red]

34,192 -- yesterday's attendance in crap weather to watch crap defense and inadequate pitching and hitting. Henry has no reason to change anything "because he's shown in the past he'll spend big for a winner."

 

There's absolutely no reason to expect anything more next offseason from Bloom except more one-year contract offers the latest comebacking rehabbing veterans in the twilight of our fandoms.

Tickets bought, or actual attendance?

[notin]

I don't like this argument. Using the same logic we should have hated the Devers extension.

 

Just because the 2022 team went 78-84 doesn't mean everyone sucked. Bogaerts and Wacha were clearly not problems.

 

Even if they weren’t the problem, they were both leaving and created room for new players by doing so.

 

And while I wanted Bogaerts back for 2023, I’m a lot less confident of his play in 2033. And given his contract, you can’t have one without the other…

[Bellhorn04]

But the calls to trade JD weren’t because of his hitting. He did exercise two options to stay in Boston, most likely because he knew he wouldn’t do better elsewhere given his performance…

 

His price tag was steep for a DH, no one would argue otherwise. The Dodgers got him for a reasonable price, though.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The sad part with the defensive flaws has been the reluctance to change anything.

 

...the definition of infanity: keep paying the dumbest prices for tickets, parking, concessions, etc. -- to keep getting hit upside the head (that's the upside Bloom meant).

[mvp 78]

Brutal. We have absolutely zero depth.

 

And those 3 are on the 40 man. Why Murphy is on there I have no clue. He's an easy DFA to me. I don't know what is going on with Walter. Lingering problems from last year's injury? Mata gets injured once a year and has no more options. He's headed to the pen sometime soon IMO.

 

Drohan has pitched a little better in his last two starts, but he needs the rest of this year and probably the start of next year too in AAA. After that, there's not much else. The only legitimate prospect not mentioned that is having a good year is Elmer Rodriguez-Cruz in Low A. He's 3-4 years away. Bloom has drafted a lot of marginal under slot college guys. They may push through AA and look good, but they'll probably hit their ceilings long before they reach BOS.

 

It's kinda bleak!

[Bellhorn04]

If Bloom is unwilling to dip into the trade market, the starting rotation is going to suck for a while. FA's are 50/50 at best. Sox aren't known for developing starters and there aren't a lot of high end guys in the minors right now. It's a hitter heavy farm.

 

Yes, this is exactly why, to me, it made so little sense to invest no more than $10 million in the rotation this offseason.

[mvp 78]

I don't like this argument. Using the same logic we should have hated the Devers extension.

 

Just because the 2022 team went 78-84 doesn't mean everyone sucked. Bogaerts and Wacha were clearly not problems, so wanting them back does make some sense.

 

It some point, Wacha was sitting out there in early March and it was a value signing to go after him and pick him up. Sox just didn't want to do it. 28 other teams didn't want to do it either. I don't think he's a great pitcher, but the contract isn't horrible for what he is.

[mvp 78]

Yes, this is exactly why, to me, it made so little sense to invest no more than $10 million in the rotation this offseason.

 

I would have spent the money in a different manner for sure. I also would have looked into trading for an arm.

[Bellhorn04]

It some point, Wacha was sitting out there in early March and it was a value signing to go after him and pick him up. Sox just didn't want to do it. 28 other teams didn't want to do it either.

 

There didn't seem to be any stampede to sign Kluber, either.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Even if they weren’t the problem, they were both leaving and created room for new players by doing so.

 

And while I wanted Bogaerts back for 2023, I’m a lot less confident of his play in 2033. And given his contract, you can’t have one without the other…

 

Likewise... but I'm a lot less confident I'll still be here in 2033.

[mvp 78]

There didn't seem to be any stampede to sign Kluber, either.

 

They signed Kluber around the same time Eovaldi was signed. Wacha was 2.5 months later. Huge difference.

[Bellhorn04]

They signed Kluber around the same time Eovaldi was signed. Wacha was 2.5 months later. Huge difference.

 

Wacha and his agent may have been looking for way too much.

[Dipre]

34,192 -- yesterday's attendance in crap weather to watch crap defense and inadequate pitching and hitting. Henry has no reason to change anything "because he's shown in the past he'll spend big for a winner."

There's absolutely no reason to expect anything more next offseason from Bloom except more one-year contract offers the latest comebacking rehabbing veterans in the twilight of our fandoms.

 

Except making more money, which is why he bought the franchise in the first place. Get real.

[Dipre]

I would have spent the money in a different manner for sure. I also would have looked into trading for an arm.

 

And arms were available.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Except making more money, which is why he bought the franchise in the first place. Get real.

 

You get real. Even though we post about it daily, baseball hasn't been the national pastime for decades. The list of most profitable sports teams is being discussed right now on a Boston sports talkshow, and the Top 10 is entirely NFL, NBA and European Soccer.

 

Dallas Cowboys are #1, the Patriots are second, and Henry and Warner's Liverpool team is 12th. That's their money-maker.

[mvp 78]

And arms were available.

 

That was the prevailing theory. Marlins were looking to deal. Bloom was willing to risk the prospects taking a step backwards and his FA's going nowhere. I haven't been happy with any of his offseasons. His one successful year is largely due to his predecessor and the team getting hot in September.