The 2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[mvp 78]

Final move of the offseason:

 

@ChrisCotillo

Red Sox DFA Eduard Bazardo and Ralph Garza. Travis Shaw and Hansel Robles make the team. Tyler Danish optioned to WooSox.

[moonslav59]

Final move of the offseason:

 

@ChrisCotillo

Red Sox DFA Eduard Bazardo and Ralph Garza. Travis Shaw and Hansel Robles make the team. Tyler Danish optioned to WooSox.

 

Not all that surprising.

 

To me, this is the deepest our 40 man roster has been since at least 2019.

[a700hitter]

I don’t think the bullpen is deep at all.

[moonslav59]

I don’t think the bullpen is deep at all.

 

40 man roster includes all positions, and the pen was never very deep after 2019.

[Bellhorn04]

Final move of the offseason:

 

@ChrisCotillo

Red Sox DFA Eduard Bazardo and Ralph Garza. Travis Shaw and Hansel Robles make the team. Tyler Danish optioned to WooSox.

 

It's always the guys with Z's in their names who go.

[notin]

It's always the guys with Z's in their names who go.

 

So is Ronaldo Hernandez or Phillips Valdez next? Or Arauz?

[dgalehouse]

Watching Shaw a few times this ST, he looks overweight . He knows he's at the end of a limited career and is eating the spread to save his meal money

 

I don’t think the bullpen is deep at all.

It's deep in something.

[mvp 78]

So is Ronaldo Hernandez or Phillips Valdez next? Or Arauz?

 

Kiké Hernandez. With JBJ, there's too many CFers.

[mvp 78]

C'mon down Bob Zupcic and Charlie Zink. You stood no chance.

[mvp 78]

Final move of the offseason:

 

@ChrisCotillo

Red Sox DFA Eduard Bazardo and Ralph Garza. Travis Shaw and Hansel Robles make the team. Tyler Danish optioned to WooSox.

 

@mlbtraderumors

Rays Claim Ralph Garza, Select Chris Mazza

 

Need to change their name to the Rayz.

[notin]

@mlbtraderumors

Rays Claim Ralph Garza, Select Chris Mazza

 

Need to change their name to the Rayz.

 

 

So we’re jettisoning Z’s and the Rays are collecting them?

 

Imagine if they get a chance to straighten out Darwinzon Hernandez!!

[moonslav59]

So is Ronaldo Hernandez or Phillips Valdez next? Or Arauz?

 

I've nailed 4 in a row. I had Potts and Rosario 1-2, before this cut, and had this post, last week:

 

Ralph Garza

Eduard Bazardo

Austin Davis (out of options)

 

I think I was like oh for 10 before.

 

I would not have Davis #1, now, since we just cut 2 relief pitchers. I think we keep Hernandez and Wong due to this being the last year of control on Vaz.

 

My new list:

 

1. Arauz (we seem fine at 2B/SS with the addition of Story and with Kike as depth)

2. Shaw (depending on Casas)

3. Valdez (his stock has fallen)

4. Plawecki (depending on the judged reliability of RoHern and Wong)

[notin]

I've nailed 4 in a row. I had Potts and Rosario 1-2, before this cut, and had this post, last week:

 

Ralph Garza

Eduard Bazardo

Austin Davis (out of options)

 

I think I was like oh for 10 before.

 

I would not have Davis #1, now, since we just cut 2 relief pitchers. I think we keep Hernandez and Wong due to this being the last year of control on Vaz.

 

My new list:

 

1. Arauz (we seem fine at 2B/SS with the addition of Story and with Kike as depth)

2. Shaw (depending on Casas)

3. Valdez (his stock has fallen)

4. Plawecki (depending on the judged reliability of RoHern and Wong)

 

After they held on to Ryan Weber through half a dozen or so DFAs, I stopped guessing…

[moonslav59]

After they held on to Ryan Weber through half a dozen or so DFAs, I stopped guessing…

 

He was a big part of my oh for 10 streak.

 

I also had Potts and Rosario on top of my list for a while before the blind squirrel finally found the nuts.

[Kimmi]

That Ramirez deal was a clear team-friendly deal. Maybe Devers loves Boston that much, but most players seek the most money.

 

IMO, offering $160M/6 would not be accepted. The guy is only 25 and will be all season. If the 6 years is an extension, we'd have him for 8 years, but if it's a replacement deal, 6 years brings him to age 30.

 

I'm not sure why he'd look at age 30 as a better way to make more money. My guess is, he'd want a very long deal with an opt out or two.

 

Now, the money. If the $160/6 replaces 2 arb years, its close to being enough, as he might make $30M in his last 2 arbs, combined. That leaves $130M/4 for the rest. If you are talking extension after the arb years, then he'd laugh at $160M/6 in a FA year going into an age 27 season.

 

IMO, if he's feeling "team friendly," he might think this is the minimum he'd take:

 

$250M/8, and even that might include a mildly front- ended contract with an opt out.

 

First off, my guess would be that he wouldn't take the deal, but that's what I would offer as what I think is a fair deal to both parties.

 

My deal of $160/6 replaces his 2 arb years. Devers would get a hefty raise for this year. I included an opt out after 4 years, at which time Devers would be 28. At that time, he would probably be able to get a 6 year deal with a higher AAV if he continues to perform. If he doesn't continue to perform, then he will have made out on those last 2 years.

[Kimmi]

I've been away for personal reasons but have read the postings from time to time. I am against granting very long contracts, especially for pitchers and players in their prime. Mookie's contract being an example of that kind. In Raffie's case, at such a young age, one can wonder what very long term means. I might go to 8 years with an earlier opt out although, given his body type, he may well wind up as primarily a DH over the contract period.

 

I hope all is well with you Oldtimer.

 

Like you, I am against granting huge contracts. I would not be upset if the Sox offered Devers an 8 year deal which include his 2 arb years. I wouldn't be thrilled with the contract, but if that keeps him on the team, then so be it. I most definitely would not go beyond that.