Red Sox Expected To Promote Jarren Duran

[Maxbialystock]

I don't see Hernandez getting bumped out of the leadoff spot, which he fills better than any other Sox player this season.

 

So I think Duran will likely replace Dalbec in the lineup, but play in the outfield with Hernandez moving back to the infield. Either he or Arroyo will replace Dalbec at 1b.

 

I did not see this coming--Duran being called up--so clearly I was wrong.

[moonslav59]

The "what to we have to lose" philosophy reeks of desperation.

 

We did not call Duran up for that reason.

 

Yes, the failures of Cordero, Santana and others may have hurried up his call-up, but I sincerely do not think Bloom would call up Duran until he felt he was ML ready- good enough on defense not to outweigh his expected plus offense AND that he would play at least 7-8 games out of 10.

 

Nobody knows if this is how Bloom viewed it or what the final straw was to finally call Duran up.

 

Maybe he was fine with calling him up 1-2 months ago, but felt someone else needed a long look, of that he would not play enough games to stay sharp and continue his growth as a full-rounder player. Anyone pretending to know is doing just that: pretending.

 

The kid is up, now. I don't think anyone is not happy about that.

 

I showed a way he can play 7-9 games out of 10 without benching anyone or severely limiting anyone's time, except maybe Dalbec. It would look something like this:

 

Approximate games played out of every 10

 

5 Position Matrix

 

9 Renfroe RF (sits one vs RHP)

8-9 Verdugo LF (sits 1-2 vs LHP)

8-9 Kike 1B/2B/CF (sits 1-2 vs any)

8-9 Arroyo 2B (sits 2-3 vs any)

8-9 Duran CF/LF (sits 2-3 vs any)

6-7 Dalbec 1B (sits vs RHP)

 

I think the fact that Cora could have done this same rotation a month ago is possible evidence supporting the idea that Bloom did not think Duran was ML ready 3-8 weeks ago. This is just conjecture, but I do think Duran was called up exactly when Bloom felt he was ML ready. That date is July 15, 2021.

[moonslav59]

I don't see Hernandez getting bumped out of the leadoff spot, which he fills better than any other Sox player this season.

 

So I think Duran will likely replace Dalbec in the lineup, but play in the outfield with Hernandez moving back to the infield. Either he or Arroyo will replace Dalbec at 1b.

 

I did not see this coming--Duran being called up--so clearly I was wrong.

 

Arroyo has never played 1B. Kike has.

 

Arroyo looks much better defensively at 2B than last year and when compared to Kike.

 

I think Kike will play 1B 4-5 games out of 10, 2B 1-2 games out of 10 and CF 1-2 games out of 10. All together, he plays nearly FT (8-9 games out of 10).

 

Kike has 89 career innings played at 1B. I have no idea how good he is on defense, there.

 

He's looked great on defense in CF, especially of late. I hate moving him out of CF, but I can't see us playing Duran in LF and benching or limiting playing time for Verdugo or Renfroe.

 

Verdugo has shown signs he may best be used in a platoon, so maybe Duran plays LF vs LHPs and some CF vs RHPs, and Kike can play CF more than just 1-2 games out of 10.

[iortiz]

Almost all your points are just plain wrong.

 

Only OT got it right. (I won't say I did because I never made a prediction on when he'd be called up.)

 

You said he should be called up over a month ago- maybe longer. You were just as wrong as the rest who said September.

 

Nobody said 2022. You need to show proof even one did to support that untruthful claim.

 

 

Naah Most people who were arguing with Nick a month ago or so thought Duran wasn't ready. That's a fact.

 

Few weeks ago (mid to late June) vs now doesn't make any difference in my book in order to evaluate his skills, specially considering Duran just had a bad stretch in July.

 

My point stands. He was as ready in mid-late June (when the discussion with Nick took place) as he is now in mid July when he is even coming from a struggle. As I said, I think Bloom had to finish his evaluations of our question marks.

 

Regarding the proof, sorry but I do not have the time as you do to go and search for posts in order to probe that some suggested that would have been ok (as well) to keep him in minors in 2021 and call him up in 2022. It is not that big deal to me, trust me. I'd rather to post in what is going on now, which is exciting.

[harmony]

Jarren Duran hopes to better the MLB debut of fellow outfield prospect Jarred Kelenic, whom the Seattle Mariners reportedly will recall today.

 

Kelenic, who is nearly three years younger than Duran, posted an .096/.185/.193/.378 line and an OPS+ of 8 in 23 games with the Mariners before being sent back down to Tacoma. This year Kelenic has posted a .320/.392/.624/1.016 line in 30 games at Triple A.

[iortiz]

I don't see Hernandez getting bumped out of the leadoff spot, which he fills better than any other Sox player this season.

 

So I think Duran will likely replace Dalbec in the lineup, but play in the outfield with Hernandez moving back to the infield. Either he or Arroyo will replace Dalbec at 1b.

 

I did not see this coming--Duran being called up--so clearly I was wrong.

 

Kike has been doing well lately but some weeks ago most people want him not only out of the leadoff spot but of the team lol

 

IMO If Kike regresses to his 300 OBP career mark, which is very likely, I'd put Arroyo or Duran (if he smashes) there.

[dgalehouse]

Duran gets his first look at the notorious short right field porch in the Stadium.

[notin]

Almost all your points are just plain wrong.

 

Only OT got it right. (I won't say I did because I never made a prediction on when he'd be called up.)

 

You said he should be called up over a month ago- maybe longer. You were just as wrong as the rest who said September.

 

Nobody said 2022. You need to show proof even one did to support that untruthful claim.

 

 

 

Not to mention the number of assumptions that got used as support statements. None of us know when Bloom thought Duran was ready. Not until today…

[notin]

Naah Most people who were arguing with Nick a month ago or so thought Duran wasn't ready. That's a fact.

 

Few weeks ago (mid to late June) vs now doesn't make any difference in my book in order to evaluate his skills, specially considering Duran just had a bad stretch in July.

 

My point stands. He was as ready in mid-late June (when the discussion with Nick took place) as he is now in mid July when he is even coming from a struggle. As I said, I think Bloom had to finish his evaluations of our question marks.

 

Regarding the proof, sorry but I do not have the time as you do to go and search for posts in order to probe that some suggested that would have been ok (as well) to keep him in minors in 2021 and call him up in 2022. It is not that big deal to me, trust me. I'd rather to post in what is going on now, which is exciting.

 

 

The reality of the situation is, Chaim Bloom was among those who didn’t think Duran was ready a month ago…

[moonslav59]

Naah Most people who were arguing with Nick a month ago or so thought Duran wasn't ready. That's a fact.

 

Few weeks ago (mid to late June) vs now doesn't make any difference in my book in order to evaluate his skills, specially considering Duran just had a bad stretch in July.

 

My point stands. He was as ready in mid-late June (when the discussion with Nick took place) as he is now in mid July when he is even coming from a struggle. As I said, I think Bloom had to finish his evaluations of our question marks.

 

Regarding the proof, sorry but I do not have the time as you do to go and search for posts in order to probe that some suggested that would have been ok (as well) to keep him in minors in 2021 and call him up in 2022. It is not that big deal to me, trust me. I'd rather to post in what is going on now, which is exciting.

 

People were saying he needs to be called up way before late June and you were front and center.

 

You keep moving the goalposts.

[iortiz]

Not to mention the number of assumptions that got used as support statements. None of us know when Bloom thought Duran was ready. Not until today…

 

No one is disputing that.

 

As you said those are my assumptions, which is a big part of a forum.

[iortiz]

The reality of the situation is, Chaim Bloom was among those who didn’t think Duran was ready a month ago…

 

Now who is making assumptions lol

 

You don't know that.

 

Maybe he was finishing his evaluations of our question marks first in order to open a spot for him. Maybe he was ready a month ago or earlier when he was crushing the ball. We don't know but is very likely.

[iortiz]

People were saying he needs to be called up way before late June and you were front and center.

 

You keep moving the goalposts.

 

Not really. I just asked the situation of Duran here and there but that was it. The Duran calling up discussion actually intensified few weeks ago when everybody went to Nick's neck.

[moonslav59]

When someone says this guy or that guy needs to be called up now, and the player isn't called up until weeks or months later, they cannot claim they were right. It's really that simple.

 

Some posters wanted Duran on the opening day roster after a nice ST'ing.

 

I remember someone wanting him called up in April and early May, until they were told, he had not been playingdue to AAA not starting their season until early May.

 

Mixed in with all the Cordero and Santana bashing from April to early June were calls to call up Duran.

 

"What do we have to lose?"

 

"How can he do any worse than _____?" (Cordero, Santana and even Renfroe after his poor April)

 

"What is Bloom waiting for? Were in a playoff race!"

 

All of these statements are indirectly saying they disagree with Bloom's decision on when to call up Duran. They show the poster thinks he knows more than Bloom on this issue.

 

There was talk about waiting until his years of team control date arrived. He wasn't called up after that, and that was long before late June.

 

There was talk of him being ready but the Olympics were holding him back. That was before and into late June. Then, we found out he wasn't being made available to the Olympics, and still he was not immediately called up.

 

notin is right, there is no way anyone knows precisely when Bloom felt Duran was ML ready. It could have been long ago, and he was held back for other reasons. It could have been precisely July 15th.

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I was one who said he'd be called up in September, but I'm glad he's up in July; I'd much rather watch future core guys transition than bridge workers.

 

I'll still be surprised if Duran doesn't start and is used more for pinch-running or pinch-hitting.

[moonslav59]

Not really. I just asked the situation of Duran here and there but that was it. The Duran calling up discussion actually intensified few weeks ago when everybody went to Nick's neck.

 

Can you stop saying everybody when it was clearly nobody?

 

You can't even provide one example, so until you can or do, stop lumping everybody as Nick bashers.

 

Yes, posters told Nick some reasons why Bloom may not feel he's ready, but nobody said "He should not be called up, now." Max came pretty close, but he never bashed Nick or you.

[moonslav59]

Some expected a September call-up, when service time does not count, but nobody said 2022.

 

NOBODY

[iortiz]

if he isn't called up it doesn't necessary mean he isn't ready.

 

As I said, maybe he was ready but maybe Bloom wanted to finish his evaluations first to open him a spot. Yo do not know. We don't know.

 

Rusney Castillo was ready but they didn't wanted to call him up because of an administrative issue.

 

Not always the timing is synced when a player is ready and when he is called up... again it doesn't necessary mean a player isn't ready. Those are different things.

[Maxbialystock]

Arroyo has never played 1B. Kike has.

 

Arroyo looks much better defensively at 2B than last year and when compared to Kike.

 

I think Kike will play 1B 4-5 games out of 10, 2B 1-2 games out of 10 and CF 1-2 games out of 10. All together, he plays nearly FT (8-9 games out of 10).

 

Kike has 89 career innings played at 1B. I have no idea how good he is on defense, there.

 

He's looked great on defense in CF, especially of late. I hate moving him out of CF, but I can't see us playing Duran in LF and benching or limiting playing time for Verdugo or Renfroe.

 

Verdugo has shown signs he may best be used in a platoon, so maybe Duran plays LF vs LHPs and some CF vs RHPs, and Kike can play CF more than just 1-2 games out of 10.

 

I think this means you agree that Duran's promotion is Dalbec's demotion. I in turn agree Hernandez has been awfully good in CF and almost certainly better than Duran will be.

 

As for Verdugo/Duran, my most recent impressions of Verdugo are that he is struggling at bat and in the field. Also, both of them bat lefty, so I don't see them platooning.

Edited July 15, 2021 by Maxbialystock

[iortiz]

Can you stop saying everybody when it was clearly nobody?

 

You can't even provide one example, so until you can or do, stop lumping everybody as Nick bashers.

 

Yes, posters told Nick some reasons why Bloom may not feel he's ready, but nobody said "He should not be called up, now." Max came pretty close, but he never bashed Nick or you.

 

are you really this dense?

 

when I say everybody went to Nick's neck I mean most people were against his opinion. It's just an expression man. Chill.

 

You are taking this so serious moon. Relax lol

[mvp 78]

The reality of the situation is, Chaim Bloom was among those who didn’t think Duran was ready a month ago…

 

Why does he have to be so negative?

[mvp 78]

if he isn't called up it doesn't necessary mean he isn't ready.

 

As I said, maybe he was ready but maybe Bloom wanted to finish his evaluations first to open him a spot. Yo do not know. We don't know.

 

Rusney Castillo was ready but they didn't wanted to call him up because of an administrative issue.

 

Not always the timing is synced when a player is ready and when he is called up... again it doesn't necessary mean a player isn't ready. Those are different things.

 

If he is called up, it doesn't mean he is ready.

[notin]

if he isn't called up it doesn't necessary mean he isn't ready.

 

As I said, maybe he was ready but maybe Bloom wanted to finish his evaluations first to open him a spot. Yo do not know. We don't know.

 

Rusney Castillo was ready but they didn't wanted to call him up because of an administrative issue.

 

Not always the timing is synced when a player is ready and when he is called up... again it doesn't necessary mean a player isn't ready. Those are different things.

 

Duran’s situation is so different from Castillo’s that he’s not a good counterpoint. The Sox weren’t trying to keep Duran’s minimum wage MLB salary away from the luxury tax penalty.

 

They didn’t call him up because they wanted him to get more at bats. Cora said so repeatedly. At some point, they decided now is the time. I seriously doubt that evaluating a bunch of late 20 to 30ish year old journeymen was a factor in determining anything about one of their top prospects…

[iortiz]

If he is called up, it doesn't mean he is ready.

 

yup, it can go the other way too.

[Maxbialystock]

Can you stop saying everybody when it was clearly nobody?

 

You can't even provide one example, so until you can or do, stop lumping everybody as Nick bashers.

 

Yes, posters told Nick some reasons why Bloom may not feel he's ready, but nobody said "He should not be called up, now." Max came pretty close, but he never bashed Nick or you.

 

I came close and I was also wrong. So Nick and anyone else can feel free to call me out. And, no, I never thought Duran would not be called up this year.

[iortiz]

Duran’s situation is so different from Castillo’s that he’s not a good counterpoint. The Sox weren’t trying to keep Duran’s minimum wage MLB salary away from the luxury tax penalty.

 

They didn’t call him up because they wanted him to get more at bats. Cora said so repeatedly. At some point, they decided now is the time. I seriously doubt that evaluating a bunch of late 20 to 30ish year old journeymen was a factor in determining anything about one of their top prospects…

 

Arroyo and Renfroe were huge question marks who turned out into pleasant surprises. OTOH Santana, Chavis and Marwin brought vey little to the table.

 

You can't evaluate them if you don't let them play a fair chunk of time. I don't discard that possibility at all, in fact I think that was the main reason Duran wasn't called up earlier, plus the team was winning.

[moonslav59]

I think this means you agree that Duran's promotion is Dalbec's demotion. I in turn agree Hernandez has been awfully good in CF and almost certainly better than Duran will be.

 

As for Verdugo/Duran, my most recent impressions of Verdugo are that he is struggling at bat and in the field. Also, both of them bat lefty, so I don't see them platooning.

 

Yes, but what I meant was not a Verdugo - Duran platoon but this:

 

Vs RHP

Verdugo in LF

Duran/ Kike in CF

Arroyo/ Kike 2B

Kike/ Dalbec 1B

 

Vs LHP

Kike plays OF (Duran or Verdugo sits)

Arroyo 2B

Dalbec 1B

[moonslav59]

are you really this dense?

 

when I say everybody went to Nick's neck I mean most people were against his opinion. It's just an expression man. Chill.

 

You are taking this so serious moon. Relax lol

 

I’m dense for taking you at your word?

 

Also, nobody bashed Nick. Going from everybody to most is still 100% wrong.

 

It was not most, and name-calling does not help your case.

[notin]

Arroyo and Renfroe were huge question marks who turned out into pleasant surprises. OTOH Santana, Chavis and Marwin brought vey little to the table.

 

You can't evaluate them if you don't let them play a fair chunk of time. I don't discard that possibility at all, in fact I think that was the main reason Duran wasn't called up earlier, plus the team was winning.

 

Santana can be released. Chavis can be demoted. But Marwin has played some quality glove this season…

[notin]

Yes, but what I meant was not a Verdugo - Duran platoon but this:

 

Vs RHP

Verdugo in LF

Duran/ Kike in CF

Arroyo/ Kike 2B

Kike/ Dalbec 1B

 

Vs LHP

Kike plays OF (Duran or Verdugo sits)

Arroyo 2B

Dalbec 1B

 

 

Kike will probably play LF or CF vs LHP, with either Verdugo or Duran sitting, depending on who’s slumping more.

 

Vs RHP, I’d like Kike at 1b, but that remains to be seen…