A Realistic View at 2021: Part II

[iortiz]

You answered a question that was not mine.

 

The fact is a 1.1 HR/9 rate is not bad at all. In fact, it's okay, and your whole point about HR/FB being the predictor of HRs and some sort of major indicator of how good a pitcher is is full of holes.

 

Chris freakin' Sale has a 12.0% HR/FB%, and so do a ton of good to great pitchers who have that or worse, like

 

Trevor Bauer

Strasburg

Beckett

Sony Gray

Sabathia

Darvish

Nola

Keuchel 14.6

 

The worst 3 out of 153 are...

 

16.2% Tanaka

15.2% R Ray (a guy people want us to trade for now)

14.6% K Gibson (a guy people want us to trade for, now)

 

 

As I said you don’t have a clue what the discussion was.

 

Also, show me where I said HR/FB is major indicator of how good a pitcher is. I’ll wait.

 

And yes, HR/FB helps you to predict HRs behavior moving forward. Read the fangraphs’ glossary regarding HR/FB.

 

Also 12% HR/FB is an awful figure based on the fangraphs’ HR/FB chart. Go figure!

Edited July 25, 2021 by iortiz

[moonslav59]

As I said you don’t have a clue what the discussion was.

 

Also, show me where I said HR/FB is major indicator of how good a pitcher is.

 

And yes, HR/FB helps you to predict HRs behavior moving forward. Read the fangraphs’ glossary regarding HR/FB.

 

Also 12% HR/FB is an awful figure based on the fangraphs’ HR/FB chart.

 

Your statements make no sense. You are all over the map.

 

You never answer why you said "HR% most of the times are fluke outcomes" and how that relates to Porcello and his career HR%. You went on to explain how you were talking over small sample size, which explains nothing and further muddies your point.

 

I've been in this discussion from the start and all the way through. Saying I don't understand what the discussion is about is not just wrong, but it adds nothing to my point about you not answering my question.

 

You never came close to answering what the hell HR%s and fluke outcomes means or how it pertains to the discussion about Porcello being mediocre or good.

[Bellhorn04]

Yankees go up in flames for crushing loss to Red Sox New York Post (I like their headlines)

 

Kind of a mixed metaphor, says Mr. Picky here LOL

[iortiz]

Your statements make no sense. You are all over the map.

 

You never answer why you said "HR% most of the times are fluke outcomes" and how that relates to Porcello and his career HR%. You went on to explain how you were talking over small sample size, which explains nothing and further muddies your point.

 

I've been in this discussion from the start and all the way through. Saying I don't understand what the discussion is about is not just wrong, but it adds nothing to my point about you not answering my question.

 

You never came close to answering what the hell HR%s and fluke outcomes means or how it pertains to the discussion about Porcello being mediocre or good.

 

That’s the thing moon. The HR/FB thing wasn’t related on Porcello’s being good or mediocre (We all already know he is mediocre/average) but his command. You are clueless hence this discussion is a nonsense.

 

If you are still interested in my HR/FB vs command argument, please do 2 things.

1. Breath deeply and chill.

2. Reread the thread and objectively try analyze what I’m saying.

 

If you still disagree after doing that, no problem. No big deal.

Edited July 25, 2021 by iortiz

[moonslav59]

That’s the thing moon. The HR/FB thing wasn’t related on Porcello’s being good or mediocre (We all already know he is mediocre/average) but his command. You are clueless hence this discussion is a nonsense.

 

If you are still interested in my HR/FB vs command argument, please do 2 things.

1. Breath deeply and chill.

2. Reread the thread and objectively try analyze what I’m saying.

 

If you still disagree after doing that, no problem. No big deal.

 

We don't all agree he was average or mediocre, and you thinking so, exposes who is without a clue.

 

I know your HR/FB comment was related to control, but that wasn't what my question was.

 

I still don't know why you won't answer why you brought up HR% being mostly a fluke.

 

I've reread your posts numerous times. It's not about my breathing or capacity to understand the English language. I teach English.

 

You, on the other hand, do not seem to understand my question or are wont or are afraid to answer it.

 

Porcello had good control. I get your point about BB/9 not being the only indicator of control. Your FB/HR point was well taken. It is not very good and it does relate to control in some ways, but so does HR rates and other things.

 

I asked about your HR rate comment not the FB/HR comment. Can you take a deep breathe and answer what you meant and how the HR% fluke comment relates to Porcello, his control or whatever you meant it relate to.

 

I didn't really mean this to turn into such a big deal, but you never answered and kept calling me clueless.

 

[iortiz]

We don't all agree he was average or mediocre, and you thinking so, exposes who is without a clue.

 

I know your HR/FB comment was related to control, but that wasn't what my question was.

 

I still don't know why you won't answer why you brought up HR% being mostly a fluke.

 

I've reread your posts numerous times. It's not about my breathing or capacity to understand the English language. I teach English.

 

You, on the other hand, do not seem to understand my question or are wont or are afraid to answer it.

 

Porcello had good control. I get your point about BB/9 not being the only indicator of control. Your FB/HR point was well taken. It is not very good and it does relate to control in some ways, but so does HR rates and other things.

 

I asked about your HR rate comment not the FB/HR comment. Can you take a deep breathe and answer what you meant and how the HR% fluke comment relates to Porcello, his control or whatever you meant it relate to.

 

I didn't really mean this to turn into such a big deal, but you never answered and kept calling me clueless.

 

Well, if you and others think he is a good pitcher be my guest. Most charts say he was mediocre/average.

 

The HR-fluke thing was to emphasizes that his career HR/FB is very awful due his horrible command. He threw a lot of meatballs which turned into HRs.

[Bellhorn04]

We need a topic deadline here. No more posts about Porcello after tonight!

[moonslav59]

Well, if you and others think he is a good pitcher be my guest. Most charts say he was mediocre/average.

 

The HR-fluke thing was to emphasizes that his career HR/FB is very awful due his horrible command. He threw a lot of meatballs which turned into HRs.

 

You say I have have a clue about the conversation, then say we all agree he's mediocre.

 

LMAO.

 

The guy was good. Not great. Not mediocre.

 

If you and a few others want to cling to mediocre, so be it.

 

(I think the real disagreement is over what we think is good and mediocre not Porcello.)

 

Let's move on.

[moonslav59]

We need a topic deadline here. No more posts about Porcello after tonight!

 

At least for another month.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

This has nothing to do with Rick Porcello or with baseball for that matter.

I just wanted to tell anyone who's listening that Martin Short is the funniest comedian working today. He's actually been the funniest for a long time. The man is truly a genius. If Mr Short doesn't make you laugh, you're already dead.

Edited July 25, 2021 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[iortiz]

You say I have have a clue about the conversation, then say we all agree he's mediocre.

 

LMAO.

 

The guy was good. Not great. Not mediocre.

 

If you and a few others want to cling to mediocre, so be it.

 

(I think the real disagreement is over what we think is good and mediocre not Porcello.)

 

Let's move on.

That comment was a sarcastic one. Of course some agree and some disagree.

 

If you think a 4.4 ERA and 2.6 fWAR career pitcher is good, be my guest.

 

My bar is similar to fangraphs. Higher.

[Nick]

This has nothing to do with Rick Porcello or with baseball for that matter.

I just wanted to tell anyone who's listening that Martin Short is the funniest comedian working today. He's actually been the funniest for a long time. The man is truly a genius. If Mr Short doesn't make you laugh, you're already dead.

 

He wasn't very funny in a movie he was featured in.

[Nick]

Alright, for pitching geniuses on this board.

 

What's more taxing on the arm?

 

Two consecutive one inning outings followed by rest day or one two innings stint followed by 2 days rest?

 

I'm curious because is Whitlock best utilized as he is now or should he replace Ottavino for the 8th inning duty?

[Nick]

LOS ANGELES -- After being out of the lineup for seven consecutive games, the Dodgers placed All-Star outfielder Mookie Betts on the 10-day injured list with right hip inflammation on Sunday.

 

It's great that the Dodgers have the luxury of winning without him.

[Nick]

Cordero Report Card

 

Saturday 0-1 with 2 walks

Sunday 1-3 with a key hit in the 8th inning.

[Nick]

AL East Contenders-Last 10 days

 

7-3 Rays

6-4 Sox

5-5 Yankees

5-5 Jays

 

I like to keep tab on this to see how the teams are doing recently.

 

For the Yankees and Jays, not making up ground is troublesome for them. They may eventually run out of time.

[Nick]

Looks to me like we need a middle infielder rather quickly. It was reported that Marwin, Santana and Arroyo are not expected to return any time soon.

 

Sox maybe forced to bring up Downs.

 

Sorry for hogging the board......

[Bellhorn04]

Alright, for pitching geniuses on this board.

 

What's more taxing on the arm?

 

Two consecutive one inning outings followed by rest day or one two innings stint followed by 2 days rest?

 

I'm curious because is Whitlock best utilized as he is now or should he replace Ottavino for the 8th inning duty?

 

I'm no genius, but yes, I would think they have to be looking at Whitlock as a possible replacement for Ottavino, if we see more issues with Adam.

[dgalehouse]

Julio Teheran. Career ERA of 3.80, a shade behind the 3.79 of Trevor Bauer, who is all of 10 days older.

 

Are they equal?

 

Tommy Lykitis: " It's bad strategy to play for an inside straight. The odds are against you." Notin: " Not true. Why back in 2017, Chicago's Henry Schmelding hit an inside straight four times in one of his Friday night poker games. That proves it can be done. Tommy Lykitis: " Okay. I give up."

[notin]

Tommy Lykitis: " It's bad strategy to play for an inside straight. The odds are against you." Notin: " Not true. Why back in 2017, Chicago's Henry Schmelding hit an inside straight four times in one of his Friday night poker games. That proves it can be done. Tommy Lykitis: " Okay. I give up."

 

I’m sorry I only gave you one example. I should have added Tanner Roark (3.84) and Chris Archer (3.87), both of whom have better career ERAs than Jake Arrieta.

 

And really, is Dallas Keuchel (3.63) a better pitcher over his career than Jon Lester?

 

A lot of great pitchers do have elite ERAs. But the problem with ERA is it depends on too much non-pitching stuff like defense. (You know, like how Chris Archer just fell apart once he left Tampa.) And the differences aren’t all that great. We look at a pitcher with a 4.10 as average and a 3.80 as far superior, but that’s only 5 runs over 150 innings. Is that better pitching? Or better relievers behind you stranding inherited runners?

[moonslav59]

That comment was a sarcastic one. Of course some agree and some disagree.

 

If you think a 4.4 ERA and 2.6 fWAR career pitcher is good, be my guest.

 

My bar is similar to fangraphs. Higher.

 

Is 4.4 sarcastic, too? I've told you over and over his ERA is 4.06, but you keep saying 4.4, over and over.

 

Yes, 4.4 is probably mediocre, depending on other numbers, too, nut 4.06 is good, and some of his other numbers are very good.

 

I think we did agree on what is good not about Porcello.

 

Let's move on.

[moonslav59]

Looks to me like we need a middle infielder rather quickly. It was reported that Marwin, Santana and Arroyo are not expected to return any time soon.

 

Sox maybe forced to bring up Downs.

 

Sorry for hogging the board......

 

Arauz would be next.

 

I'd even add Munoz to the 40 and call him up before Downs.

[Larry Cook]

Arauz would be next.

 

I'd even add Munoz to the 40 and call him up before Downs.

 

Munoz got off to a horrible start this season, but has really been hitting the ball well lately and got his average up around .300. Not sure who gets punted off the 40 man to add him though?

 

In two weeks or so, when same gets added, someone else gets punted off the 40 man.

 

Hang’em Chaim has some tough decisions coming up. Maybe he could trade some guys to open up spots. The baseball analytics people have some long work days ahead of them this week figuring all this out.

[iortiz]

Is 4.4 sarcastic, too? I've told you over and over his ERA is 4.06, but you keep saying 4.4, over and over.

 

Yes, 4.4 is probably mediocre, depending on other numbers, too, nut 4.06 is good, and some of his other numbers are very good.

 

I think we did agree on what is good not about Porcello.

 

Let's move on.

 

His career ERA is 4.4. What did I miss? Go figure again.

 

Fangraphs calls 4.4 ERA pitchers, Below Average Pitchers. I call them mediocre and very close to bums (4.5+)

 

Yes, we can move on. No problem.

[Nick]

Here's a message from Cora to our younger players.

 

“The last two days is a great example that contact matters. Contact matters,” Cora said. “Yeah, we live with strikeouts and all that. But there’s certain at-bats that you have to make sure you put the ball in play and good things happen. They did it yesterday and we did it today.”

[iortiz]

Here's a message from Cora to our younger players.

 

“The last two days is a great example that contact matters. Contact matters,” Cora said. “Yeah, we live with strikeouts and all that. But there’s certain at-bats that you have to make sure you put the ball in play and good things happen. They did it yesterday and we did it today.”

 

Yeah and he made sure Kevin gets it.

[Nick]

Red Sox Stats

@redsoxstats

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11h

Over his last 8 starts Perez is averaging 3.2 IP with a 6.23 ERA and batters are hitting .362/.417/.608 off of him.

 

For the season the second time through a lineup opponents are hitting .326 with a .391 OBP.

 

His grip on a starting spot seems tenuous.

 

He may be the one replaced by Sale. Richards probably has slight edge in terms of having a better upside than Perez although both can suck equally.

Edited July 26, 2021 by Nick

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

He wasn't very funny in a movie he was featured in.

 

Are you a passive aggressive? You seem to be.

[moonslav59]

Red Sox Stats

@redsoxstats

·

11h

Over his last 8 starts Perez is averaging 3.2 IP with a 6.23 ERA and batters are hitting .362/.417/.608 off of him.

 

For the season the second time through a lineup opponents are hitting .326 with a .391 OBP.

 

His grip on a starting spot seems tenuous.

 

He may be the one replaced by Sale. Richards probably has slight edge in terms of having a better upside than Perez although both can suck equally.

 

Sounds like a good long relief guy.

[moonslav59]

Now, we are tied with Houston for the best AL record at 61-39 (.610).

 

-1.0 TBR WC

-1.5 CWS ALC leader

-5.5 OAK 2nd WC

 

other WC contenders

-1.5 SEA

-3.5 NYY

-4.0 TOR

-5.0CLE

-5.5 LAA