Yankees 2021 Season Thread

[Bellhorn04]

I agree with jacko on Boone sucking, but jacko is trying real hard not to come to the conclusion that some of the players he thought so highly of, just aren't as good as he thinks they are.

 

The Yankees have a run differential of +41 (for a Pythagorean record of 85-76).

 

They're not some juggernaut being held back by their manager.

[moonslav59]

The Yankees have a run differential of +41 (for a Pythagorean record of 85-76).

 

They're not some juggernaut being held back by their manager.

 

In all fairness, some of the run differential was Boone's fault, but I agree, the Yanks had a lot of big and even huge question marks before the year started.

 

The whole injury excuse that would normally hold water, just doesn't for the Yanks. They are a team built for the IL, and that is on Cashman. If nothing changes for 2022, I fully expect plenty of IL time, again. It would actually be lucky to have a season with very few injuries.

[dgalehouse]

It seems to often happen that run differential does not match up with the actual won - loss record. Every game is a separate contest. The previous day's runs don't carry over. And winning the close games involves more than just luck.

[dgalehouse]

Taillon tomorrow. He has a surgical problem in his ankle but can likely give us a couple innings. Far smarter than pushing Cole

 

Taillon is not that good. The Rays might jump on him right away and put the Yankees in a big hole. If I was Boone , I would start Severino and see how far he could go . Then go to the top bullpen guys.

[moonslav59]

It seems to often happen that run differential does not match up with the actual won - loss record. Every game is a separate contest. The previous day's runs don't carry over. And winning the close games involves more than just luck.

 

Agreed, and winning a bunch of big blowouts doesn't make a team any that much greater than one that wins by a just 1-3 runs.

 

It does seem like luck does play a role in close game wins, but it's not all luck.

 

The time we stopped winning more close games than losing coincided with Barnes' implosion.

 

Run differential is, however, a pretty good indicator of how good a team is and which teams make the playoffs, but there is almost 1-2 exceptions every year.

 

This year, the top 4 run differential teams have 4 of the top 5 records. Only the Brewers, who have the 8th best RD, placed in the top 5 (at #4). Toronto seems like the unluckiest of all, as they have the 5th best RD but are tied for the 9th best record with 2 other teams. SEA has a -47 RD and is tied with the Jays. I think cases like this are kind of rare.

 

Of the 4 teams going for the WC slot, here are the RD:

+175 TOR

+78 BOS

+41 NYY

-47 SEA

 

One thing that usually stands out is that teams that win more than their RD indicates are the teams with lower runs allowed. This makes sense, because games are lower scoring and hence closer, in general.

 

 

 

 

[dgalehouse]

Taillon is starting. It’ll be a 2-3 inning start then a BP game. We are facing Michael Wacha and his 5+ ERA for a team that’s got nothing to play for.

 

The Rays have nothing to play for, but they are the best team in the league. And have the best manager , who plays to win. The Nationals have nothing to play for , and they flat out stink. I'll take the Sox' chances today.

[moonslav59]

The Rays have nothing to play for, but they are the best team in the league. And have the best manager , who plays to win. The Nationals have nothing to play for , and they flat out stink. I'll take the Sox' chances today.

 

I think the Rays would rather play anyone than the Yanks, and they have some rest days before their first playoff game, so I think they will come to play, today.

 

The lack of pressure on the Nats is one thing that worries me. Being looser at a time like this might be an advantage.

 

That being said, I like our chances better than anyone else, before game 162.

[moonslav59]

Trouble in the big city...

 

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[jacksonianmarch]

That’s how you do it!!!!

[moonslav59]

So, it comes down to this.

 

162 games- dead even.

 

Pretty fitting!

[jacksonianmarch]

So, it comes down to this.

 

162 games- dead even.

 

Pretty fitting!

 

Might be at the game too. Love it

[jacksonianmarch]

Have to give it to Boone. Today, he managed like he wanted to win the game. The Yankee staff has been special this year and the arms in the pen have been transcendent. You don’t marry yourself to a single pitcher. You play for the now. Today 6 pitchers combined on a 5 hit shutout. Boone took a page from Cash. Might be time for him to do that for the rest of the playoffs. It might save his job

[moonslav59]

Have to give it to Boone. Today, he managed like he wanted to win the game. The Yankee staff has been special this year and the arms in the pen have been transcendent. You don’t marry yourself to a single pitcher. You play for the now. Today 6 pitchers combined on a 5 hit shutout. Boone took a page from Cash. Might be time for him to do that for the rest of the playoffs. It might save his job

 

You feeling okay?

[jacksonianmarch]

Boone is on a World Series or bust run at this point. If he doesn’t make the WS, he’s done. If he manages like he did yesterday, he will maximize his chances of being retained. Yanks have a deep pen full of hard throwing guys capable of going multiple innings. If he treats every starter as a three inning pitcher who will be on a tight leash inning four or later, he will have a good chance of winning not only Tuesday but of taking on Tampa and beating the winner of Houston and Chicago. Do I think Boone will blow it along the way? Yes. But yesterday proved he can manage for the now, which I’ve honestly never seen before from him

[moonslav59]

Boone is on a World Series or bust run at this point. If he doesn’t make the WS, he’s done. If he manages like he did yesterday, he will maximize his chances of being retained. Yanks have a deep pen full of hard throwing guys capable of going multiple innings. If he treats every starter as a three inning pitcher who will be on a tight leash inning four or later, he will have a good chance of winning not only Tuesday but of taking on Tampa and beating the winner of Houston and Chicago. Do I think Boone will blow it along the way? Yes. But yesterday proved he can manage for the now, which I’ve honestly never seen before from him

 

He may not have learned anything. He might have stumbled onto a winning combination by blind luck.

 

You give him too much credit.

 

Chances are, he blunders the next game, somehow, although the elimination aspect kinds forces an all out effort where everyone is available and the next day is an off day, anyway.

[jacksonianmarch]

Nothing surprises me about Boone anymore. He’s made some bone headed blunders. Yesterday was the first game where I thought his managing was really, really good. Like first game since he started.

[bkzwhitestrican]

He managed with urgency which was refreshing, but in any case the offense needs to get going for them to have a chance. Being shutout by 5+ERA Michael Wacha (and every subsequent reliever until the 9th) in the biggest game of the year is a failure by the offense, and while everyone in relief on our end held up it's too much to ask of them to be perfect every game.

[jacksonianmarch]

I agree. I also think we need to keep Velasquez as a defensive replacement and just hand SS to Wade. Every time that guy is in the game, he impacts it. Be it as a punch runner, defender, hitter, whatever. He’s so disruptive.

[jacksonianmarch]

FYI, we lost Voit for the season and it sounds like DJ is done as well. DJ should just get the surgery and come back for next year. He has had this "groin issue" since spring training which hurts him when he hits. I cannot imagine how he played through the entire season with this. I expect a big rebound from him next year. Voit, IMO, needs to be traded or non-tendered. I am telling you right now, he is dealing with a Pedroia knee. Meniscus surgery then bone bruise then aggravates running? He has some arthritis in there and best to cut bat rather than hope for great things and watch him get hurt

[mvp 78]

Happy Smiley Beni Day.

[Slasher9]

Yankees suck. Kids that are high school seniors only know the New York Yankees as being absolutely owned by the Red Sox for their entire lives. Entire. Lives.

[jacksonianmarch]

Strange end to a strange year. Started off with no fans, light baseballs, spider tack and pitchers having the advantage. Never saw the offensive bump other teams did, continued to pitch well. Team was managed horribly and coached terribly on the offensive side. Cannot complain about the defense after Torres moved off SS or the pitching coaching, just the managerial moves in game. If this rids us of Boone then it’s a successful year. Boone is the king of getting less out of his team than what they’re capable of and folding when the pressure is the greatest. If it wasn’t for the Twins, A’s, and Guardians, we’d have been eliminated first chance we got since he got here. We own those three teams in post season historically and they gave us a bit of a boost until we faced off with the real clubs. I also think a possible change at the very top is needed. Yanks are built as an all or nothing offense then went out and got the most all or nothing player in the game to further shift us in that way. Time for a new voice, a new leader, and a new architect

[moonslav59]

Yankees suck. Kids that are high school seniors only know the New York Yankees as being absolutely owned by the Red Sox for their entire lives. Entire. Lives.

 

That's a pleasant thought.

[moonslav59]

Strange end to a strange year. Started off with no fans, light baseballs, spider tack and pitchers having the advantage. Never saw the offensive bump other teams did, continued to pitch well. Team was managed horribly and coached terribly on the offensive side. Cannot complain about the defense after Torres moved off SS or the pitching coaching, just the managerial moves in game. If this rids us of Boone then it’s a successful year. Boone is the king of getting less out of his team than what they’re capable of and folding when the pressure is the greatest. If it wasn’t for the Twins, A’s, and Guardians, we’d have been eliminated first chance we got since he got here. We own those three teams in post season historically and they gave us a bit of a boost until we faced off with the real clubs. I also think a possible change at the very top is needed. Yanks are built as an all or nothing offense then went out and got the most all or nothing player in the game to further shift us in that way. Time for a new voice, a new leader, and a new architect

 

I agree with this, but I also think you need to start thinking some of the players you thought so highly of in March just aren't as good as you thought.

 

You also wrote off a lot of Sox players that maybe didn't deserve your evaluations. I'm not saying nobody exceeded expectations, but plenty did not or did about what was expected. You may have also underestimated how much good managing affects the W-L record.

 

I'll be watching how you evaluate next year's teams, after some winter changes made to both teams.

 

Will you views on Eovaldi, Sale and others improve?

[Bellhorn04]

The word 'talent' is almost becoming irrelevant in baseball. The Yankees had lots of on-paper talent, but they did not perform.

 

Performance is all that really matters.

[moonslav59]

The word 'talent' is almost becoming irrelevant in baseball. The Yankees had lots of on-paper talent, but they did not perform.

 

Performance is all that really matters.

 

When they keep under performing, when do we start looking at how we determine "on paper" value?

 

Maybe they were never that good to begin with.

 

Part of it is injuries, but injuries should be expected with the players that Yanks have on their roster.

[Bellhorn04]

When they keep under performing, when do we start looking at how we determine "on paper" value?

 

Maybe they were never that good to begin with.

 

Part of it is injuries, but injuries should be expected with the players that Yanks have on their roster.

 

There seems to be some mismanagement going on. A lot of Yankee fans think so. They point to a guy like Torres who looked like a star in the making and now looks like a mediocrity.

[moonslav59]

There seems to be some mismanagement going on. A lot of Yankee fans think so. They point to a guy like Torres who looked like a star in the making and now looks like a mediocrity.

 

I agree on mismanagement and think Cashman and Boone are not worthy of returning.

 

They played Torres out of position.

 

Cashman built a team full of players made of glass, and while they may look "good on paper," we should expect most won't play near a full season. A few, like Stanton, played a lot, and one could actually call that "lucky."

 

Unless they change their philosophy, they need a lot of luck to reach "on paper" value.

 

Can they count on Cashman to change?

[Slasher9]

The Yankees have a run differential of +41 (for a Pythagorean record of 85-76).

 

They're not some juggernaut being held back by their manager.

 

exactly. it's just simply easier for the yankees fans to blame boone then to have to realize they really just have a slightly better then .500 team. reality sucks. so they avoid it. FIRE BOONE!!!!

[moonslav59]

The mirage is the players on IL.

 

The Yanks look at their "healthy roster" and drool all over the place, and I can't say that I blame them, but when they lead the league in IL days year-after-year, it's not a fluke, and it should be part of evaluating a team's "on paper" talent level.

 

One last point on injuries: while the Sox may have gotten "lucky" on injuries, the Rays did not. They had over a dozen players on the 60 day IL, including Tyler Glasnow, Yonny Chirinos (all year), Jalen Beeks (all year) and their closer, Nick Anderson (6 IP, this year) plus many others...