Blue Jays Sign Springer

[a700hitter]

Blue Jays To Sign George Springer

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

9:58pm: It’s a six-year, $150MM pact, Jon Heyman of MLB Network tweets.

Edited January 20, 2021 by a700hitter

[moonslav59]

A lot of money.

 

We could have used him, but I can't see paying that much.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

A lot of money.

 

We could have used him, but I can't see paying that much.

 

Springer got a lot more than I predicted; shows how two bidders can drive up the price ebay-style (sorry Mets). But DJ at $15 mil per is a lot better value than George at $25 mil per. Now watch Jackie Boras Jr sign for way more than anyone here thought...

[moonslav59]

Springer got a lot more than I predicted; shows how two bidders can drive up the price ebay-style (sorry Mets). But DJ at $15 mil per is a lot better value than George at $25 mil per. Now watch Jackie Boras Jr sign for way more than anyone here thought...

 

I'm thinking he gets $15M/2 or $20M/3. I wouldn't go that high.

[Thunder]

The AL East is leaving us behind...

[mvp 78]

I hope someone else overpays JBJ. He deserves the money for 2018, but some other team should pay it.

[moonslav59]

The AL East is leaving us behind...

 

TB and the O's have gotten worse.

 

NYY has still lost more than they've gained.

 

We might be even, as of now.

 

TOR has gotten better.

[mvp 78]

TB and the O's have gotten worse.

 

NYY has still lost more than they've gained.

 

We might be even, as of now.

 

TOR has gotten better.

 

Sox should just get better with JD and Beni returning to form. I think the Sox struggled out of the gate and were never able to catch up in 2020. I think that if they played 162 games last year that they would have wound up closer to .500 than where they were. If ERod is healthy, Houck pitches like 2020 and one new rotation add gives them quality innings, this team will be in the hunt.

[notin]

TB and the O's have gotten worse.

 

NYY has still lost more than they've gained.

 

We might be even, as of now.

 

TOR has gotten better.

 

Is Toronto a competitor?

 

Per Roster Resource, their rotation is: Hyun-Jin Ryu, Robbie Ray, Nate Pearson, Tanner Roark, and Ross Stripling.

 

Per Roster Resource, the Sox rotation is: Nate Eovaldi, Eduardo Rodriguez, Tanner Houck, Martin Perez, and Nick Pivetta.

 

Which of those is actually better?

 

I know there is a lot more to a team than a starting rotation, but bear in mind this is what we consider the Sox biggest weakness. Also the Jays' as well...

[moonslav59]

Sox should just get better with JD and Beni returning to form. I think the Sox struggled out of the gate and were never able to catch up in 2020. I think that if they played 162 games last year that they would have wound up closer to .500 than where they were. If ERod is healthy, Houck pitches like 2020 and one new rotation add gives them quality innings, this team will be in the hunt.

 

Every team has many "ifs."

 

I'm not disagreeing with your point. We seemed to have more than our fair share of injuries and "bad years" from too many players. Expecting a return to the norm is something that is probable not just wishful.

 

We are also not done setting our opening day roster. I'm convinced we will make some significant additions. We should easily pass the O's (no biggie) and come closer to the rest of the AL East than we were in 2020. Only the Jay s seem to have improved by more than us, on paper, so far. The Yanks appear to want to stay under the tax line, so they have much less "budget space" than we do- going forward. They also lost Tanaka, Paxton & Happ. We lost JBJ.

 

The sky is not falling on Sox Nation.

[moonslav59]

Is Toronto a competitor?

 

Per Roster Resource, their rotation is: Hyun-Jin Ryu, Robbie Ray, Nate Pearson, Tanner Roark, and Ross Stripling.

 

Per Roster Resource, the Sox rotation is: Nate Eovaldi, Eduardo Rodriguez, Tanner Houck, Martin Perez, and Nick Pivetta.

 

Which of those is actually better?

 

I know there is a lot more to a team than a starting rotation, but bear in mind this is what we consider the Sox biggest weakness. Also the Jays' as well...

 

Our healthy rotation also compares to the Yanks rotation. Maybe not better, but not all that worse, either, especially if Sale can come close to Cole.

 

Our offense was fine, last year, despite down seasons from several key players- like JD, Beni & Devers.

 

If most of our players just return to their better form of 2019 or 2020, not to mention 2018, we could make massive gains in win totals. That's with no additions and just decent health.

 

That's the optimist view.

 

There is plenty to worry about, too, and some key additions can help put some of those to rest.

[notin]

AL EAst Starting rotations per Roster Resource

 

NY Yankees: Gerrit Cole, Corey Kluber, Jordan Montgomery, Deivi Garcia, and Domingo German

Tampa Rays: Tyler Glasnow, Ryan Yarborouugh, Michael Wacha, Josh Fleming, Trevor Richards

Toronto Blue Jays: Hyun-Jin Ryu, Robbie Ray, Nate Pearson, Tanner Roark, and Ross Stripling.

Boston Red Sox: Nate Eovaldi, Eduardo Rodriguez, Tanner Houck, Martin Perez, and Nick Pivetta.

Baltimore Orioles: John Means, Alex Cobb, Keegan Akin, Dean Kremer, and Bruce Zimmerman

 

 

Yankees far and away have the best rotation, but right now it looks like a bragging right equal to having the most luxurious Kia Sedona on your block. "Yeah, they added Corey Kluber and a functioning satellite radio!!"

 

Poll question: How many of those Orioles' SP besides Means and Cobb have you ever heard of before?

[notin]

Our healthy rotation also compares to the Yanks rotation. Maybe not better, but not all that worse, either, especially if Sale can come close to Cole.

 

Our offense was fine, last year, despite down seasons from several key players- like JD, Beni & Devers.

 

If most of our players just return to their better form of 2019 or 2020, not to mention 2018, we could make massive gains in win totals. That's with no additions and just decent health.

 

That's the optimist view.

 

There is plenty to worry about, too, and some key additions can help put some of those to rest.

 

 

The Yankee rotation is better than the Sox pre-Sale now that Kluber is on board. But the AL East is pretty weak all around in that regard...

[moonslav59]

The Yankee rotation is better than the Sox pre-Sale now that Kluber is on board. But the AL East is pretty weak all around in that regard...

 

Agreed, but adding Kluber while losing Tanaka, Paxton and Happ is not an improvement. They have as many questionable starters as we do. Some are young with a lot of potential, but we all know how that can work out.

 

They are not done, but if they are being truthful about staying under the tax line, they have less than $6M left to spend to our $30M.

 

They kill us in pen comps, but our rotation is close, assuming health, and that's before our expected addition.

 

Our offense is close.

 

Our defense sucks.

 

Our pen is way behind.

[Thunder]

AL EAst Starting rotations per Roster Resource

 

NY Yankees: Gerrit Cole, Corey Kluber, Jordan Montgomery, Deivi Garcia, and Domingo German

Tampa Rays: Tyler Glasnow, Ryan Yarborouugh, Michael Wacha, Josh Fleming, Trevor Richards

Toronto Blue Jays: Hyun-Jin Ryu, Robbie Ray, Nate Pearson, Tanner Roark, and Ross Stripling.

Boston Red Sox: Nate Eovaldi, Eduardo Rodriguez, Tanner Houck, Martin Perez, and Nick Pivetta.

Baltimore Orioles: John Means, Alex Cobb, Keegan Akin, Dean Kremer, and Bruce Zimmerman

 

 

Yankees far and away have the best rotation, but right now it looks like a bragging right equal to having the most luxurious Kia Sedona on your block. "Yeah, they added Corey Kluber and a functioning satellite radio!!"

 

Poll question: How many of those Orioles' SP besides Means and Cobb have you ever heard of before?

 

That Sox rotation gives me nightmares...

 

Looking at Toronto, one might question if they have enough pitching to win the division. They'll be able to score with anybody in baseball, especially the Yankees, but can they stop the Yankees offense enough? Pearson has the potential to be an ace, but he's not there yet. Outside of Ryu, who do you give the ball to when you need a win? A solid rotation should have 2 or 3 of those guys

[moonslav59]

Yankee Rotation on opening day:

 

Cole 30: Solid, durable & great

 

Kluber 35: 37 IP the last 2 seasons

 

Montgomery 28: 75 IP the last 3 seasons

 

German 28: 143 IP the last 2 seasons

 

Garcia 21: 34 IP, last year. (111 IP in minors in 2019: 4.28 ERA/1.347 WHIP)

 

King 25:30 IP MLB in last 2 seasons (24 IP in 2019 minors: 5.48 ERA/ 1.239 WHIP)

 

(IL) Severino 26: 12 IP the last 2 seasons. Excellent beforehand.

 

Yankee IP leaders 2019 (SP'ers)

182 Tanaka 4.45

161 Happ 4.91

151 Paxton 3.82

142 German 4.03

107 Sabathia 4.95

69 Green 4.17

 

2020:

73 Cole 2.84

49 Happ 3.47

48 Tanaka 3.56

44 Montgomery 5.11

34 Garcia 4.98

20 Paxton 6.64

27 King 7.76 (13 IP in relief)

 

Tanaka, Happ, Paxton and CC totaled over 592 IP in 2019 (76% of SP'er IP).

 

Tanaka, Happ and Paxton totaled 118 IP in 2020 (40% of SP'er IP).

Edited January 20, 2021 by moonslav59

[Thunder]

TB and the O's have gotten worse.

 

NYY has still lost more than they've gained.

 

We might be even, as of now.

 

TOR has gotten better.

 

I would argue that the Red Sox have gotten worse. The pitching hasn't been enhanced at all, and the offense only marginally so. We can't just go around assuming that E-Rod and Sale will be their normal selves upon returning. TJS is a hit or miss in terms of returning to prior production, and even before E-Rod's heart condition and COVID, I felt that 2019 was a career year for him that would be hard to replicate.

[mvp 78]

I would argue that the Red Sox have gotten worse. The pitching hasn't been enhanced at all, and the offense only marginally so. We can't just go around assuming that E-Rod and Sale will be their normal selves upon returning. TJS is a hit or miss in terms of returning to prior production, and even before E-Rod's heart condition and COVID, I felt that 2019 was a career year for him that would be hard to replicate.

 

This Sox team today is worse than the 2020 Sox? How? Which loss of a player is affecting that? JBJ?

[Thunder]

This Sox team today is worse than the 2020 Sox? How? Which loss of a player is affecting that? JBJ?

 

Well how are they better? Biggest acquisition to this point is Renfroe and he doesn't exactly change the course of the franchise

[moonslav59]

I would argue that the Red Sox have gotten worse. The pitching hasn't been enhanced at all, and the offense only marginally so. We can't just go around assuming that E-Rod and Sale will be their normal selves upon returning. TJS is a hit or miss in terms of returning to prior production, and even before E-Rod's heart condition and COVID, I felt that 2019 was a career year for him that would be hard to replicate.

 

Sale and ERod gave us zero in 2020, so they can't really get worse, unless they both pitch at a 5.50 ERA or worse.

 

Losing JBJ and gaining Renroe looks to be a minus, but who knows how well or poorly JBJ will do in 2021.

 

Let's have this conversation after we add a few more players.

[moonslav59]

Well how are they better? Biggest acquisition to this point is Renfroe and he doesn't exactly change the course of the franchise

 

How are the Rays and Yanks better, as of right now? At worse, we gained slightly on both, so far, even if by getting worse by less.

 

To me, they have gotten worse by more than us replacing JBJ with Renfroe.

 

The Yanks replaced Tanaka, Paxton & Happ with a guy coming off a major injury- Kluber.

 

The Rays lost Snell.

 

We will be spending over $20-25M, soon. They are both about done spending.

 

The Jays improved but lack a solid rotation, even if they all do as well as can be expected.

[Bellhorn04]

The Rays lost Snell.

 

And Morton.

[moonslav59]

And Morton.

 

Indeed.

 

It appears most of the AL East is getting worse. If we do spend $20-30M more, we should gain on everyone, even if just slightly.

 

A lot will depend on heath and rebounds, but we don't need everyone to stay healthy and/or rebound- just 2 or 3 out of the 6 to 8 in that category need to play well for us to gain significantly over every AL East team, except maybe the Jays.

 

Just 20-25 total GS'd from Sale and ERod combined could be a major boost over 2020.

 

It's not a big stretch to 2 from imagine Devers, JD and Beni to return to 2018 or 2019 form.

 

One can even imagine Bogey or Verdugo going nutty great in 2021.

 

It's possible Dalbec competes for ROY.

 

DHern could finally lower his BB rate. Taylor could return to 2018-2019 form.

 

Maybe Eovaldi starts 25 games.

 

Lots of ifs and maybes, but almost every AL East team has as many as we do.

[a700hitter]

Is Toronto a competitor?

 

Per Roster Resource, their rotation is: Hyun-Jin Ryu, Robbie Ray, Nate Pearson, Tanner Roark, and Ross Stripling.

 

Per Roster Resource, the Sox rotation is: Nate Eovaldi, Eduardo Rodriguez, Tanner Houck, Martin Perez, and Nick Pivetta.

 

Which of those is actually better?

 

I know there is a lot more to a team than a starting rotation, but bear in mind this is what we consider the Sox biggest weakness. Also the Jays' as well...

And the Blue Jays have just signed Brantley:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/01/blue-jays-sign-michael-brantley.html

[Thunder]

Sale and ERod gave us zero in 2020, so they can't really get worse, unless they both pitch at a 5.50 ERA or worse.

 

Losing JBJ and gaining Renroe looks to be a minus, but who knows how well or poorly JBJ will do in 2021.

 

Let's have this conversation after we add a few more players.

 

Fair enough

[mvp 78]

And the Blue Jays have just signed Brantley:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/01/blue-jays-sign-michael-brantley.html

 

It was a package deal due to his friendship with Springer.

[dgalehouse]

Sale and ERod gave us zero in 2020, so they can't really get worse, unless they both pitch at a 5.50 ERA or worse.

 

Losing JBJ and gaining Renroe looks to be a minus, but who knows how well or poorly JBJ will do in 2021.

 

Let's have this conversation after we add a few more players.

 

Still a chance they sign JBJ. But they do still need a quality starter . And as I have been saying for the past two years, they absolutely have to bolster the bullpen. So many games come down to the bullpens these days , and that doesn't look like it will change anytime soon.

[notin]

It was a package deal due to his friendship with Springer.

 

So I guess Barnes was not good enough friends with him?

[moonslav59]

Still a chance they sign JBJ. But they do still need a quality starter . And as I have been saying for the past two years, they absolutely have to bolster the bullpen. So many games come down to the bullpens these days , and that doesn't look like it will change anytime soon.

 

I was hoping we get a solid closer and set up man. It looks like we may not get either, unless by trade.

 

We better get Odorizzi to lessen the pain of not boosting the pen by as much as we had hoped.

[mvp 78]

So I guess Barnes was not good enough friends with him?

 

Rotoworld says deal isn't done, but the answer to your question is: I guess not.