2021 Prospects

[notin]

I'm not sure that is a reason to create two separate lists, but that looks like the reason.

 

Well, it is a list of the largest signing bonuses given to IFA. As neither Daisuke nor Okajima - both of whom went through a posting process for exclusive rights as well as hefty sums for their former teams - did not receive an actual signing bonus, they are not on the list.

 

If the list included draft picks, Rick Asadoorian might be on it. Remember him? Sox gave him a ton of money (like $6mill, I think) out of high school and he wound up being a career minor leaguer for 12 years...

Edited January 17, 2021 by notin

[moonslav59]

Well, it is a list of the largest signing bonuses given to IFA. As neither Daisuke nor Okajima - both of whom went through a posting process for exclusive rights as well as hefty sums for their former teams - did not receive an actual signing bonus, they are not on the list.

 

Well, they were international free agents, and they ended up making way more money than many on that list, so it just made me wonder why the need for a separate list.

[mvp 78]

Baseball America Top 100 Ranking:

 

@alexspeier

Red Sox prospects Triston Casas at 48, Jeter Downs at 71, Bobby Dalbec at 90.

 

Not surprising that nobody jumped up from the Sox system since there weren't any games to scout last year.

[moonslav59]

Baseball America Top 100 Ranking:

 

@alexspeier

Red Sox prospects Triston Casas at 48, Jeter Downs at 71, Bobby Dalbec at 90.

 

Not surprising that nobody jumped up from the Sox system since there weren't any games to scout last year.

 

Are you realistically hopeful our mid season rankings will improve?

 

Who might join the list, and who might move up significantly?

[notin]

Are you realistically hopeful our mid season rankings will improve?

 

Who might join the list, and who might move up significantly?

 

Dalbec will drop off, mostly due to not actually playing minor league baseball. Maybe Mata can join the list if he gets off to a good start. Jay Groome is another possibility if he actually pitches..

[moonslav59]

Dalbec will drop off, mostly due to not actually playing minor league baseball. Maybe Mata can join the list if he gets off to a good start. Jay Groome is another possibility if he actually pitches..

 

If Dalbec does great in the bigs, how can that make him drop, unless he becomes an ex-prospect due to having too many PAs?

 

I could see Downs moving up with a strong start to 2021. Casas doing well at the next level could move him up.

 

Duran, Houck and Ward are all 24, so I'm not sure, if they could crack the top 100 by mid season. (Seabold is 25.)

 

Mata does look like the best chance at adding a 4th player to the top 100.

 

Long shots: Jimenez (20), A Ramirez (19), Yorke (18) and maybe Groome (22), Rosario (21) or Jordon (18). (Potts 22/Lugo 19?)

 

My Sleeper pick: Bello (21)

 

[moonslav59]

Some prospect updates:

 

http://news.soxprospects.com/2021/01/scouting-report-updates-jay-groome-aldo.html

[notin]

If Dalbec does great in the bigs, how can that make him drop, unless he becomes an ex-prospect due to having too many PAs?

 

I could see Downs moving up with a strong start to 2021. Casas doing well at the next level could move him up.

 

Duran, Houck and Ward are all 24, so I'm not sure, if they could crack the top 100 by mid season. (Seabold is 25.)

 

Mata does look like the best chance at adding a 4th player to the top 100.

 

Long shots: Jimenez (20), A Ramirez (19), Yorke (18) and maybe Groome (22), Rosario (21) or Jordon (18). (Potts 22/Lugo 19?)

 

My Sleeper pick: Bello (21)

 

 

My prediction was Dalbec would "drop off" the list by losing prospect status. I look at it again and realize I need to be clearer.

 

Also, it really does get hard to predict of a prospect will move up or down, because that can be heavily dependent on how other prospects perform. Downs could have a great season, and drop 5 places simply because 5 other prospects had better ones and passed him up. But that does not mean Downs himself took steps backwards...

Edited January 19, 2021 by notin

[moonslav59]

My prediction was Dalbec would drop off the list by losing prospect status...

 

What's the amount of games or PAs needed to drop off the list?

 

Will he pass that amount by the mid season ranking time?

[mvp 78]

What's the amount of games or PAs needed to drop off the list?

 

Will he pass that amount by the mid season ranking time?

 

Prospects - A player will generally graduate from prospect status once he exhausts his MLB "rookie" status." Rookie status is exhausted once a player: (1) has more than 130 at-bats in the majors; (2) has pitched more than 50 innings in the majors; (3) has been on an active major league roster for more than 45 days (not including September call-ups).

 

So Dalbec will graduate sometime in late April.

[notin]

Prospects - A player will generally graduate from prospect status once he exhausts his MLB "rookie" status." Rookie status is exhausted once a player: (1) has more than 130 at-bats in the majors; (2) has pitched more than 50 innings in the majors; (3) has been on an active major league roster for more than 45 days (not including September call-ups).

 

So Dalbec will graduate sometime in late April.

 

That is for Rookie Status and eligibility for the ROY AWard.

 

Prospect status is really just open to the interpretation of the whatever website is doing the ranking, as there is no actual concrete defintion. (Baseball Aemrica notoriously ranks Japanese free agents on occasion for some reason, even one time putting Daisuke at #1 despite his numerous years as a professional pitcher.)

 

But I imagine by mid-season when they do their updates, Dalbec will have either established himself as a (semi?)regular MLB starter or been a flop who gets demoted. Either outcome should remove him from the list...

[mvp 78]

That is for Rookie Status and eligibility for the ROY AWard.

 

Prospect status is really just open to the interpretation of the whatever website is doing the ranking, as there is no actual concrete defintion. (Baseball Aemrica notoriously ranks Japanese free agents on occasion for some reason, even one time putting Daisuke at #1 despite his numerous years as a professional pitcher.)

 

But I imagine by mid-season when they do their updates, Dalbec will have either established himself as a (semi?)regular MLB starter or been a flop who gets demoted. Either outcome should remove him from the list...

 

I grabbed that from SoxProspects. My guess is most places follow the same formula.

[moonslav59]

They should send Dalbec to AAA, so we can rise in the farm rankings.

 

Fans would be thrilled!

 

(Sarcasm alert)

[notin]

I grabbed that from SoxProspects. My guess is most places follow the same formula.

 

Probably. But there is no actual definition of a "prospect". And it should be more than "eligible for Rookie of the Year" Award. At some point, age is also a factor. One would not consider 28yo Joey Meneses a prospect, but if he got called up, he would be eligible for the ROY...

[mvp 78]

Probably. But there is no actual definition of a "prospect". And it should be more than "eligible for Rookie of the Year" Award. At some point, age is also a factor. One would not consider 28yo Joey Meneses a prospect, but if he got called up, he would be eligible for the ROY...

 

Seems that the definition is "eligible for ROY" but you just don't agree with it.

[mvp 78]

@SoxProspects

Newly re-signed SS Jeremy Rivera is celebrating down in PR. In Mayaguez' semifinal sweep of Manati, he went 11 for 17 with 2 2B, 1 3B, & 2 HR. He didn't walk and had a sac fly, allowing him to turn in the rare "avg-higher-than-obp" line of .647/.611/1.235 for the four games.

[notin]

@SoxProspects

Newly re-signed SS Jeremy Rivera is celebrating down in PR. In Mayaguez' semifinal sweep of Manati, he went 11 for 17 with 2 2B, 1 3B, & 2 HR. He didn't walk and had a sac fly, allowing him to turn in the rare "avg-higher-than-obp" line of .647/.611/1.235 for the four games.

 

More sacrifice flies and sacrifice bunts than walks can do that...

[moonslav59]

soxprospects.com placed Frank German in the 27th slot- right behind Bazardo and a couple ahead of Feltman, then Wilson & Whitlock.

[moonslav59]

Prospects added to soxprospects.com's top prospects list since the end of the 2019 season:

 

2. Downs (Betts trade)

9. Seabold (with Pivetta in Workman/Hembree trade)

13. Yorke (draft)

15. Rosario (Moreland trade)

17. Potts (Moreland trade)

19. Jordon (draft)

21. Wong (Betts trade)

23. Wallace (Pillar trade)

27. German (with Ottavino trade)

31. Whitlock (rule 5)

33. Drohan (draft)

37. Koss (Aybar trade)

39. Bleis (IFA)

 

Most newly acquired prospects are down the list, but...

 

there are 2 in the top 9 (22%)

 

8 in the top 23 (35%)

 

13 in the top 39 (33%)

 

My top 25 might have more newbees:

 

1. Downs

2. Casas

3. Mata

4. Dalbec

5. Houck

6. Jimenez

7. Song

8. Seabold

9. Ward

10. Duran

11. Rosario

12. ARamirez

13. Bello

14. Potts

15. Wong

16. Bonaci

17. Yorke

18. Lugo

19. Jordan

20. Groome

21. Murphy

22. Arauz

23. Wallace

24. Whitlock

25. German

 

Edited January 28, 2021 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

German & Adams

[moonslav59]

Duran Named MVP of LBPRC Finals

[mvp 78]

Duran Named MVP of LBPRC Finals

 

Good since he started off slow this winter.

[notin]

So any thoughts on who the 2021 Breakout prospect is? Assuming they have a season.

 

I am going with Hudson Potts. I think another year in AA will put him in position to make some massive steps forward...

[moonslav59]

So any thoughts on who the 2021 Breakout prospect is? Assuming they have a season.

 

I am going with Hudson Potts. I think another year in AA will put him in position to make some massive steps forward...

 

I have high hopes for Seabold, Potts & Rosario, but my breakout candidate is Brayan Bello.

[mvp 78]

A guy who may climb up the ranks quicker than expected: Chris Murphy

A guy well outside the top 20 who may make an impression: Stephen Gonsalves

A guy who is well regarded who puts a stamp on his legitimacy nationwide: Triston Casas

[moonslav59]

Top Sox prospects added under Bloom (rankings by soxprospects.com):

 

(Note: just one draft cycle, so far)

 

2. Downs (trade)

9. Seabold (trade)

13. Yorke (draft)

15. Rosario (trade)

17. Potts (trade)

19. Jordan (draft)

21. Wong (trade)

23. Wallace (trade)

27. German (trade)

31. Whitlock (rule 5)

33. Drohan (draft)

39. Koss (trade)

39. Bleis (IFA)

 

[mvp 78]

Top Sox prospects added under Bloom (rankings by soxprospects.com):

 

(Note: just one draft cycle, so far)

 

2. Downs (trade)

9. Seabold (trade)

13. Yorke (draft)

15. Rosario (trade)

17. Potts (trade)

19. Jordan (draft)

21. Wong (trade)

23. Wallace (trade)

27. German (trade)

31. Whitlock (rule 5)

33. Drohan (draft)

39. Koss (trade)

39. Bleis (IFA)

 

 

And that includes a draft with only 4 picks (loss of 2nd).

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

And that includes a draft with only 4 picks (loss of 2nd).

 

Right now, the '21 #4 rated draft pick on MLB.com is a catcher, Adrian Del Castillo from University of Miami... "by just about any measure, the most complete hitter in the 2021 class. A catcher by trade, it’s unlikely he stays behind the plate at the next level, but the bat is special enough to warrant a top pick" (sounds like a report on Bryce Harper, as a teenager).

 

Hope he's still available at #4. The #2 and #3 guys are shortstops. The #5 and #6 guys are pitchers...

 

https://www.lookoutlanding.com/2020/9/7/21407638/2021-mlb-draft-scouting-report-adrian-del-castillo

[moonslav59]

And that includes a draft with only 4 picks (loss of 2nd).

 

Yes, and while 11 of the top 13 are outside our top 12 prospects, I think Bloom has done a fine job boosting the chances we get some serious input from a few of these farmhands over the next few years. Some may end up as role players, at best. Some will never see MLB, but I think a few will contribute more than role player expectations, and one might not even end up being named Downs.

[moonslav59]

Right now, the '21 #4 rated draft pick on MLB.com is a catcher, Adrian Del Castillo from University of Miami... "by just about any measure, the most complete hitter in the 2021 class. A catcher by trade, it’s unlikely he stays behind the plate at the next level, but the bat is special enough to warrant a top pick" (sounds like a report on Bryce Harper, as a teenager).

 

Hope he's still available at #4. The #2 and #3 guys are shortstops. The #5 and #6 guys are pitchers...

 

https://www.lookoutlanding.com/2020/9/7/21407638/2021-mlb-draft-scouting-report-adrian-del-castillo

 

This year's draft could really make a big difference going forward.