Yankees 2020 offseason thread

[notin]

Dalbec replaced Chavis as the hope for the next home grown power hitter.

 

I do not think anyone thought Chavis was the next home grown power hitter...

[jacksonianmarch]

I do not think anyone thought Chavis was the next home grown power hitter...

 

When he came up, that was the hope. Either he, Ockimey or Dalbec would be the answer at 1b. Chavis has flopped. Ockimey isn’t the answer. Dalbec is the last hope before they fill the position externally. Dalbec, though, comes with good defensive chops at another position too

[Kimmi]

I do not think anyone thought Chavis was the next home grown power hitter...

 

To be fair, many did think that when he first came up and hit all those home runs.

[mvp 78]

To be fair, many did think that when he first came up and hit all those home runs.

 

IDK... He was such an afterthought as a prospect due to his injury issues. He almost became #1 prospect by default. Groome had fallen off due to his injuries. Mata/Casas was just too far away. Houck was seen as a reliever. Beeks was just a guy. When a top 10 still includes Josh Ockimey, you knew the farm was in trouble.

[mvp 78]

Also, being suspended for PED's in 2018, certainly put his status in question. I'm not sure there were too many people thinking he'd be a long term solution in BOS (even when he started out hot in 2019).

[jacksonianmarch]

Chavis also became irrelevant once teams saw his weaknesses. His weakness doesn’t translate to the league right now. Can’t hit high end velo. Can’t hit anything fast and up in the zone. Take him and put him in the league 30 years ago and he’s an MVP candidate

[mvp 78]

Chavis also became irrelevant once teams saw his weaknesses. His weakness doesn’t translate to the league right now. Can’t hit high end velo. Can’t hit anything fast and up in the zone. Take him and put him in the league 30 years ago and he’s an MVP candidate

 

The warning sign was when his k rate went to 25% in AA after the PED suspension in 2018. Without a SLG above 500, he's useless with that OBP.

[jacksonianmarch]

Exactly. That’s why he’s likely your starting 2b. If he can get hot for a couple months, he will be worth more at a defense minus position.

[a700hitter]

Chavis also became irrelevant once teams saw his weaknesses. His weakness doesn’t translate to the league right now. Can’t hit high end velo. Can’t hit anything fast and up in the zone. Take him and put him in the league 30 years ago and he’s an MVP candidate

Pitchers had better breaking stuff and other offspeed pitches back then. He still would have sucked. Nolan Ryan never would have been legend he became without a curveball that was otherworldly.

[jacksonianmarch]

Pitchers had better breaking stuff and other offspeed pitches back then. He still would have sucked. Nolan Ryan never would have been legend he became without a curveball that was otherworldly.

 

Chavis destroys breaking balls. Demolishes them. He loves off speed pitches. There were far more “crafty” pitchers around in the 80s-90s

[mvp 78]

Exactly. That’s why he’s likely your starting 2b. If he can get hot for a couple months, he will be worth more at a defense minus position.

 

I think he's more likely to start for WOO than BOS. I think the Sox are more likely to either go with Arroyo or get a capable 2b FA on a short deal.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think he's more likely to start for WOO than BOS. I think the Sox are more likely to either go with Arroyo or get a capable 2b FA on a short deal.

 

Could be, but you have to remember that your GM is a value oriented team builder in a year where he’s not actively trying to compete. Building Chavis’ value will be more important than a D first gap filler

[moonslav59]

Linking Chavis, Dalbec & Ockimey into one group due to their power and high K rates is misleading, and even in the power category, Dalbec is significantly better in slugging %.

 

Dalbec has two things going for him that the others are far behind:

 

1) OBP

Dalbec .359 MLB (92 PAs)/ .362 minors (1609 PAs)

Chavis .304 MLB (540 PAs)/.325 minors (1757 PAs)

Ockimey n/a MLB/ .360 minors (2353 PAs)

 

2) Defense

Most accounts show Dalbec as the better defender.

 

On K rates and SLG%:

 

SLG:

Dalbec .600 MLB/ .505 minors

Chavis .424 MLB/ .471 minors

Ockimey n/a MLB/ .429 minors

 

K Rate:

Dalbec 43% MLB/ 30% minors

Chavis 33% MLB/ 26% minors

Ockimey n/a MLB/ 29% minors

[moonslav59]

Could be, but you have to remember that your GM is a value oriented team builder in a year where he’s not actively trying to compete. Building Chavis’ value will be more important than a D first gap filler

 

As of now, I also see Chavis as the opening day starting 2Bman- not necessarily to build value, but because he offers the most hope for being an overall plus.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Not a fan of this deal. Our rotation beyond Cole is just a bunch of question marks, and now Kluber is one more.

 

I agree; the Yankees starting rotation is laughable, this is not how you build a championship team. You can see this train wreck coming from a mile away.

 

Kluber is a broken down piece of garbage and the Yankees are paying him 11 m. LOL.

[moonslav59]

IP 2019-2020:

285 Cole

227 Perez

203 ERod

147 Sale

135 German

109 Pivetta

103 Eovaldi

46 Montgomery

37 Kluber

34 Garcia

12 Severino

[jacksonianmarch]

I agree; the Yankees starting rotation is laughable, this is not how you build a championship team. You can see this train wreck coming from a mile away.

 

Kluber is a broken down piece of garbage and the Yankees are paying him 11 m. LOL.

 

How is your team?

[moonslav59]

How is your team?

 

The rotation? About the same, in terms of question marks and what ifs.

[jacksonianmarch]

The rotation? About the same, in terms of question marks and what ifs.

 

I said team, you know, the one that is getting the equivalent of a lottery selection in June and hasnt made any measurable improvements?

[moonslav59]

I said team, you know, the one that is getting the equivalent of a lottery selection in June and hasnt made any measurable improvements?

 

Yes, you said "team" in response to his point about just the rotation.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yes, you said "team" in response to his point about just the rotation.

 

Right now, the Yanks are the odds on favorites to represent the AL in the WS. I'd say followed very closely by the White Sox. Most of this is due to the migration of major talent from the AL to the NL, but it is still true.

[moonslav59]

Right now, the Yanks are the odds on favorites to represent the AL in the WS. I'd say followed very closely by the White Sox. Most of this is due to the migration of major talent from the AL to the NL, but it is still true.

 

I'm not arguing against this.

 

The talk was about the rotation. I didn't change the subject: you did.

 

(It's okay to change the subject, but it doesn't change the truth about our questionable rotations.)

[jacksonianmarch]

Yanks in on Taillon. Not really a bastion of health, but should be fully recovered from TJS and has just as much potential as anyone

[jacksonianmarch]

Yanks now front runners for Taillon.

[Meh]

Yanks now front runners for Taillon.

 

I'm going to predict: Medina, Abrue, and Seigler

[jacksonianmarch]

I’m gonna go higher and bet we see Schmidt headline the return

[jacksonianmarch]

Taillon isn’t your standard “injury prone” guy. He made 25 starts in 17, threw 192 IP in 18, injures his elbow in 19 and has TJS missing the rest of 19 and all of 20. He’s a big time power pitcher with two years of control remaining. He also would be fully recovered from his procedure.

 

If this goes through:

 

1. Cole

2. Taillon

3. Kluber

4. Montgomery

5. Garcia

 

Schmidt, Loaisiga, King in the wings (depending on who is sent packing)

 

Severino to come back mid year. I’d roll with that rotation for damn sure

[moonslav59]

If you guys get Taillon, I'll have to hand it to you.

 

I'd give them Downs or Casas for him, but I doubt they take it.

[notin]

Taillon would be a great get for any team. While BTV gives him a relatively low value, JT’s combination of ability, years of control, and age could help a lot of other teams get involved and make him a tough acquisition.

 

But unlike Castillo, he won’t cost Torres..

[notin]

Taillon isn’t your standard “injury prone” guy. He made 25 starts in 17, threw 192 IP in 18, injures his elbow in 19 and has TJS missing the rest of 19 and all of 20. He’s a big time power pitcher with two years of control remaining. He also would be fully recovered from his procedure.

 

If this goes through:

 

1. Cole

2. Taillon

3. Kluber

4. Montgomery

5. Garcia

 

Schmidt, Loaisiga, King in the wings (depending on who is sent packing)

 

Severino to come back mid year. I’d roll with that rotation for damn sure

 

Reportedly the Pirates want upside in this trade and not MLB proximity. So maybe Dominguez is headed to Pitt?

 

(Don’t sweat it Yankee fans. In 8 years or so he will reach free agency and you can sign him back.)