Bloom Don’t mess this hire up and don’t drag your feet .Cora is our guy !!!!

[mvp 78]

From Jan:

 

Quatraro was one of the first names to come up as a potential replacement for Alex Cora after the Red Sox parted ways with their manager in the wake of the sign-stealing scandal. With former Rays executive Chaim Bloom running the show in Boston, Quatraro was a name quickly linked to the opening.

 

However, Rosenthal reports that Quatrato is “unlikely” to be a candidate. According to Rosenthal, executives that have left the Rays organization (like Bloom) usually do not take other members of the staff with them. Additionally, Rosenthal reports that some teams have rules in place to prevent this, but does not indicate whether this is the case for Tampa Bay.

 

Is waiting an additional year long enough to get around these unwritten rules?

[mvp 78]

And if the Sox wanted him back strongly, they would pay him the most.

 

Something something Henry's checkbook something something...

[notin]

And if the Sox wanted him back strongly, they would pay him the most.

 

Unless you are forgetting that other teams might want him badly, too. After all, we don't know how badly a team like the Mets might want him.

 

At some point, there will be a line drawn, even if a bidding war begins...

[notin]

From Jan:

 

Quatraro was one of the first names to come up as a potential replacement for Alex Cora after the Red Sox parted ways with their manager in the wake of the sign-stealing scandal. With former Rays executive Chaim Bloom running the show in Boston, Quatraro was a name quickly linked to the opening.

 

However, Rosenthal reports that Quatrato is “unlikely” to be a candidate. According to Rosenthal, executives that have left the Rays organization (like Bloom) usually do not take other members of the staff with them. Additionally, Rosenthal reports that some teams have rules in place to prevent this, but does not indicate whether this is the case for Tampa Bay.

 

Is waiting an additional year long enough to get around these unwritten rules?

 

If the rules were meant to be enforced, someone would have written them down by now...

[Bellhorn04]

Unless you are forgetting that other teams might want him badly, too. After all, we don't know how badly a team like the Mets might want him.

 

At some point, there will be a line drawn, even if a bidding war begins...

 

Has there ever been a bidding war for a manager?

[mvp 78]

Has there ever been a bidding war for a manager?

 

I can only think of NCAA football examples. It'd be very unique for MLB, but I don't think it'll get that far.

[notin]

Has there ever been a bidding war for a manager?

 

No idea.

 

But that doesn't make it impossible?

[Bellhorn04]

No idea.

 

But that doesn't make it impossible?

 

True.

 

Cora was a seemingly hot commodity after 2017, and DD did the quick swoop to sign him. You never really hear if other teams were in the hunt or not.

[notin]

True.

 

Cora was a seemingly hot commodity after 2017, and DD did the quick swoop to sign him. You never really hear if other teams were in the hunt or not.

 

He also signed him while Cora was still busy coaching the Astros in the post-season. Most managerial hirings seem to come after the post-season is over. Or at least involved managers not actively working for another team...

[Swiharts Ghost]

It’s Cora right ? Youuuuu said there’s a chaaaaaaaaance !!!!

[Thunder]

Ha! You said you weren't coming back until winter meetings. What a clown

[Larry Cook]

In a few more days, hang’em Chaim will get to interview Lombard.

[Larry Cook]

Ha! You said you weren't coming back until winter meetings. What a clown

 

Have the winter meetings been canceled? With virus cases back on the upswing, is it wise to keep them?

[moonslav59]

Have the winter meetings been canceled? With virus cases back on the upswing, is it wise to keep them?

 

Zoom 'em!

[oldtimer]

The WS game last night might be illustrative of who we should be looking for in our next manager. Cash is the ultimate metrics type with radical shifts, 4 outfielders, openers etc. Clearly his team lacked in offense and he had to make up for it with pitching and defense. It carried the team to the 6th game of the WS and that was quite an accomplishment.

 

Last night he admitted that the staff had 2o different preplanned alternatives depending upon game circumstances. That level of preplanning is an eye opener in itself and speaks to how managers approach games these days. One of the plans had to be to get as much out of Snell as possible and then revert to the stable of hard throwing BP arms to take it home. Sure enough, Snell gave up a hit in the 6th and Cash was out of the dugout like a bolt of lightning, there to save the day.

 

I am certain that the move he made to take Snell should be and will be debated by Rays fans. There is no way to know what would have happened had he left Snell in for a few more hitters. We do know what happened with the move, which was a disaster for the Rays. The question that comes to my mind is whether Cash was too rigid following his preplan and not discretionary enough to really see the situation in front of him.

 

1. Snell was in the 70's pitch count range.

2. Snell being a lefty could better hold the runner at 1st.

3. Snell had great command and his velocity was still up there

4. Snell had handle Mookie and Seager like no other Rays pitcher.

5. While the strong BP had a great record of holding, they had been used a lot.

6. Command had been an issue for the BP in the series.

7. Did the BP have the cold bloodedness needed to come into a pressure cooker.

 

A few pitches later, a fastball catching too much of the plate, a wild pitch slider and the game was tied with a man on 3rd. An infield hit and the Rays were behind.

 

My view is while we need a manager who is metrics friendly, we also need a man with discretionary thinking that will not blindly stick to a plan when the evidence suggests otherwise. Bloom had a lot to do with Cash, will he try to find another just like him or will we find a gem that can handle all parts of the game?

[Bellhorn04]

Fine post, oldtimer.

 

"Snell had handle Mookie and Seager like no other Rays pitcher", you said.

 

That was what bothered me about the move. Mookie has been struggling against lefties in general, too.

[mvp 78]

Fine post, oldtimer.

 

"Snell had handle Mookie and Seager like no other Rays pitcher", you said.

 

That was what bothered me about the move. Mookie has been struggling against lefties in general, too.

 

At the very least, going to Anderson was a dumb idea as he's not been very effective recently.

[Bellhorn04]

At the very least, going to Anderson was a dumb idea as he's not been very effective recently.

 

Yeah. Alex Speier's take was that pulling Snell was defensible, but replacing him with Anderson was not.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I wasn't rooting for LA, but as a Red Sox fan I am glad the Rays' total reliance on analytics backfired, so Bloom will know better than to ever try to get away with that all-in approach in New England.

 

Imagine the uproar -- and constant crap we'd have to watch and listen to forever from Yankee fans and FOX -- if a Sox pitcher was striking out the world in an elimination game, and the manager took the ball?

[notin]

I wasn't rooting for LA, but as a Red Sox fan I am glad the Rays' total reliance on analytics backfired, so Bloom will know better than to ever try to get away with that all-in approach in New England.

 

Imagine the uproar -- and constant crap we'd have to watch and listen to forever from Yankee fans and FOX -- if a Sox pitcher was striking out the world in an elimination game, and the manager took the ball?

 

Backfired?

 

They took the 28th highest payroll and made it all the way to game 6 of the World Series. You don't ignore that type of accomplishment because of one week against the best record in MLB that did not work out...

[Bellhorn04]

I wasn't rooting for LA, but as a Red Sox fan I am glad the Rays' total reliance on analytics backfired, so Bloom will know better than to ever try to get away with that all-in approach in New England.

 

Imagine the uproar -- and constant crap we'd have to watch and listen to forever from Yankee fans and FOX -- if a Sox pitcher was striking out the world in an elimination game, and the manager took the ball?

 

Unfortunately it's not just the Rays who are all-in on analytics and 'creative pitching management'.

 

Dave Roberts pulled Kershaw in Game 5 after he retired the first 2 hitters of the inning on 2 pitches!

 

And the Dodgers won Game 6 and the World Series with a bullpen game in which they used 7 pitchers, including starting pitchers as an "opener" and as the closer!

 

Yuck.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Backfired?

 

They took the 28th highest payroll and made it all the way to game 6 of the World Series. You don't ignore that type of accomplishment because of one week against the best record in MLB that did not work out...

 

I never said "ignore". Just have a freaking clue when your starter is the best pitcher on the planet the night of a do-or-die... while none of your relievers have been lights-out the entire Series.

[notin]

I never said "ignore". Just have a freaking clue when your starter is the best pitcher on the planet the night of a do-or-die... while none of your relievers have been lights-out the entire Series.

 

you didn't have to say "ignore." You strongly implied it when you said their approach backfired. One questionable managerial move (using logic we don;t even know) doesn't mean the entire approach backfired.

 

The Dodgers are run by a former Rays' employee and he undoubtedly uses a similar approach. Maybe the Rays just got out-analyzed...

[dgalehouse]

Cash has his own system of managing . No doubt about that . It has certainly worked well for him. Unfortunately , last night it did not work so well . Pitching changes , or lack of same , are the biggest second guessing situation for all managers. In the end , it was the Dodger's year. They were the best team right from opening day.

[notin]

Cash has his own system of managing . No doubt about that . It has certainly worked well for him. Unfortunately , last night it did not work so well . Pitching changes , or lack of same , are the biggest second guessing situation for all managers. In the end , it was the Dodger's year. They were the best team right from opening day.

 

And really, all the analytics in the world don't make Mookie a lesser player...

[Bellhorn04]

And really, all the analytics in the world don't make Mookie a lesser player...

 

??? Who said anything to that effect?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

you didn't have to say "ignore." You strongly implied it when you said their approach backfired. One questionable managerial move (using logic we don;t even know) doesn't mean the entire approach backfired.

 

The Dodgers are run by a former Rays' employee and he undoubtedly uses a similar approach. Maybe the Rays just got out-analyzed...

 

But one questionable managerial move happened on the night they lost the World Series. Current and former MLB players are all atweeter. Kevin Cash passed the ball to Malcolm Butler, left Buckner at first, and forgot to use Timlin, Embree and Williamson. Every last Dodger thanked their lucky superstars.

 

And the 2018 Red Sox still say thanks LA for not starting your three top home run hitters vs. our lefty starters, and for pulling Buehler and Hill when we couldn't touch them.

[Bellhorn04]

But one questionable managerial move happened on the night they lost the World Series. Current and former MLB players are all atweeter. Kevin Cash passed the ball to Malcolm Butler, left Buckner at first, and forgot to use Timlin, Embree and Williamson. Every last Dodger thanked their lucky superstars.

 

And the 2018 Red Sox still say thanks LA for not starting your three top home run hitters vs. our lefty starters, and for pulling Buehler and Hill when we couldn't touch them.

 

In-game tweet by Jon Heyman: "Dodgers ecstatic when Snell came out. That's something numbers don't show - other team doing backflips."

[Bellhorn04]

But one questionable managerial move happened on the night they lost the World Series. Current and former MLB players are all atweeter. Kevin Cash passed the ball to Malcolm Butler, left Buckner at first, and forgot to use Timlin, Embree and Williamson. Every last Dodger thanked their lucky superstars.

 

And Malcolm Butler's name actually appears twice on the list of questionable Super Bowl decisions...

[mvp 78]

you didn't have to say "ignore." You strongly implied it when you said their approach backfired. One questionable managerial move (using logic we don;t even know) doesn't mean the entire approach backfired.

 

The Dodgers are run by a former Rays' employee and he undoubtedly uses a similar approach. Maybe the Rays just got out-analyzed...

 

The approach did backfire because they went to a guy who has been handing out runs lately.