2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[mvp 78]

Verdugo, Cordero, Renfroe and... Pillar? Can sign with Beni $$?

[moonslav59]

Verdugo, Cordero, Renfroe and... Pillar? Can sign with Beni $$?

 

We had $8M before, so maybe now we have enough for JBJ, Rosenthal or Odorizzi

[moonslav59]

The Jays picked up our reject, Payamps.

 

And, I thought we had a weak back end of the 40 man roster.

[mvp 78]

We had $8M before, so maybe now we have enough for JBJ, Rosenthal or Odorizzi

 

No way does JBJ come back now.

[jacksonianmarch]

Winckowski is interesting. Turned 21 on his arrival to High A in 2019 and did well. Not a lot of K's, good walk rate, good HR rate, good walk rate. He's a sinker slider guy and throws mid 90s. If I were the sox, someone who can throw this hard, I would move him back to 4 seamer and see the K's rise

[moonslav59]

No way does JBJ come back now.

 

Agrred. I just mentioned his name, because we can now afford him, and CF is a position of need.

[notin]

The Jays picked up our reject, Payamps.

 

And, I thought we had a weak back end of the 40 man roster.

 

What does it say about the Jays' pitching that they are claiming rejects from the Red Sox?

[notin]

Agrred. I just mentioned his name, because we can now afford him, and CF is a position of need.

 

The Sox now have two viable CF options in Cordero and Hernandez. THey could move Cordero to LF and bring in a CF. Or they could get a LHH left fielder to platoon with Renfroe.

 

One thing we see right now is if the Sox use Renfroe-Cordero-Verdugo, they might have the best throwing outfield in MLB...

[moonslav59]

What does it say about the Jays' pitching that they are claiming rejects from the Red Sox?

 

Exactly!

 

That was my point.

 

All along, I've been thinking our bottom roster guys were not even at replacement level value or maybe just barely at it.

 

The Jays must be worse!

[notin]

If the Sox get another OF emphasizing economics, they might wind up with Jay Bruce in a LF platoon with Renfroe. Bruce has a .814 OPS vs RHP, which is the best among the remaining LHH outfielders. Another free agent Shin Soo Choo was weak against RHP last yer, but crushed them in 2019 to the tune of an .886 OPS. Neither Bruce (age 34) nor Choo (age 38) appear to have been garnering much interest this offseason. Nomar Mazara has a .781 OPS vs RHP in his career. Less improessive, but as he is only 26 years old there might be some room for him to improve. But at some point, Mazara and his .781 is not exactly a huge jump over just leaving Renfroe out there full time.

 

On the trade front, Alex Dickerson of the Giants (.905 OPS vs RHP since 2018) would also be an excellent trade candidate, assuming a match can be found with the Giants. On BTV, Dickerson's surplus trade value of $6.9 million lines up nicely with Chavis' surplus value of $6.6mill, but do the Giants have any interest in Chavis?

[notin]

Another trade candidate is Corey Dickerson (.942 OPS vs RHP in 2019). And his salary of $8.75mill for one final year is something the Marlins very likely want to shed, as they are a bunch of cheap mofo's.

 

On BTV, a deal of Dickerson and RHP Jorge Guzman (FV: 40+, 3.50 ERA in 2019 in AA ball across 138 IP, but had potentially fixable some walk issues) for no value Sox pitcher like Colten Brewer saves the Marlins a huge chunk of money and finishes the Sox OF with an actual major leaguer who can hit RHP, and adds a potential pen arm into the mix for the Sox.

[Kimmi]

When kimmi is right, she’s right.

 

I am thinking we have to get another OFer.

[moonslav59]

I am thinking we have to get another OFer.

 

...or 2Bman and move EHern to CF where he is clealrly better.

[harmony]

The Red Sox reportedly sign utility player Marwin Gonzalez:

 

[Swiharts Ghost]

The Red Sox reportedly sign utility player Marwin Gonzalez:

 

 

Harmony can you make a new topic from this signing ? I actually really like the player for us .

[moonslav59]

The Red Sox reportedly sign utility player Marwin Gonzalez:

 

 

$3M/1 with $1M in incentives. Seems a little high.

 

I think I might have rather had Marisnick at half that cost or Schoop at $4.5M.

 

That being said, here are Marwin's career innings at each position:

 

2252 SS

1601 OF (mostly LF- only 3 in CF)

1481 1B

1037 3B

846 2B

 

UZR/150 by position

+0.5 1B

-2.5 RF

-2.7 3B

-4.5 2B

-6.8 SS

+13.2 LF

 

+8.4 OF

 

We still don't have a CF'er better than EHern.

 

Is Marwin going to see the most time at 2B?

 

BTW, Marwin's splits are nearly equal

.732 v RHP (better OBP)

.724 v LHP (barely better SLG)

Edited February 12, 2021 by moonslav59

[Swiharts Ghost]

$3M/1 with $1M in incentives. Seems a little high.

 

I think Martin makes more sense than the human walking Injury we traded for .I like him backing up Devers and 1B filling in for Kiki at second and being the actual platoon for Hunter .Does this point to arroyo getting DFA along with another Redundant player ? We need three spots dropped now to fill these signings? chavis headed down or out ?

Edited February 12, 2021 by Swiharts Ghost

[moonslav59]

I think Martin makes more sense than the human walking Injury we traded for .I like him backing up Devers and 1B filling in for Kiki at second and being the actual platoon for Hunter .Does this point to arroyo getting DFA along with another Redundant player ? We need three spots dropped now to fill these signings? chavis headed down or out ?

 

Without any more additions, this could be our 4 player bench:

 

Plawecki

Arroyo

Gonzalez

Chavis

 

Our CF options are still lacking. EHern is probably the best defensively, but Gonzalez is not great at 2B, so I'm kinda scratching my head. I still think we have one more addition to make, and Chavis starts in AAA.

 

Best defense at 4 positions:

2B: Arroyo

LF: Cordero/Renfroe

CF: EHern

RF: Verdugo

 

2nd Best?

2B: EHern

LF: Cordero/Gonzalez

CF: Verdugo

RF: Renfroe/Gonzalez

Edited February 12, 2021 by moonslav59

[Swiharts Ghost]

Without any more additions, this could be our 4 player bench:

 

Plawecki

Arroyo

Gonzalez

Chavis

 

Our CF options are still lacking. EHern is probably the best defensively, but Gonzalez is not great at 2B, so I'm kinda scratching my head. I still think we have one more addition to make, and Chavis starts in AAA.

 

Best defense at 4 positions:

2B: Arroyo

LF: Cordero/Renfroe

CF: EHern

RF: Verdugo

 

2nd Best?

2B: EHern

LF: Cordero/Gonzalez

CF: Verdugo

RF: Renfroe/Gonzalez

 

Ok that does make sense .Chavis seems like he’s not long for Boston after this Moon .I gotta tell ya I’m kinda excited now .

Edited February 12, 2021 by Swiharts Ghost

[moonslav59]

I think Marwin makes more sense than the human walking Injury we traded for .

 

2015: 126 games (524 PAs) minors

2016: 137 games (602 PAs) minors

2017: 123 games (528) FgW, minors & majors

2018: 97 games (396) FgW, minors & majors

2019: 40 games (296) FgW, minors & majors

2020: 43 games (157) FgW & majors (60 game MLB season)

 

Certainly not great, but not as bad as I thought after hearing all the banter.

 

 

 

[moonslav59]

Ok that does make sense .Chavis seems like he’s not long for Boston after this Moon .I gotta tell ya I’m kinda excited now .

 

I've never been high on Chavis, but I hate letting guys like him stick around on the 40 man roster always wondering "Is he for real?"

 

In our current situation, I'd like to see him get a somewhat long look, this year, so we can decide once and for all to DFA or keep him.

 

My guess is, he will be gone after a long look, but why not give him one more extended look?

 

Is Arroyo or Gonzalez players you just have to play everyday?

[Swiharts Ghost]

2015: 126 games (524 PAs) minors

2016: 137 games (602 PAs) minors

2017: 123 games (528) FgW, minors & majors

2018: 97 games (396) FgW, minors & majors

2019: 40 games (296) FgW, minors & majors

2020: 43 games (157) FgW & majors (60 game MLB season)

 

Certainly not great, but not as bad as I thought after hearing all the banter.

 

 

 

 

I like the athleticism he’s a stud but man we need him to take a major step for us Moon .I am hopeful and kinda impressed at how sneaky good this offseason has become for Boston .We are a much deeper team and he’s not done .I see a team coming now .Bloom is a silent killer .

[moonslav59]

I like the athleticism he’s a stud but man we need him to take a major step for us Moon .I am hopeful and kinda impressed at how sneaky good this offseason has become for Boston .We are a much deeper team and he’s not done .I see a team coming now .

 

It would be nice to see a major step up from him, but wedon't need him to be great anymore than we needed Beni to bounce back.

 

I actually think Cordero's ceiling is higher than Beni's, but his floor is probably much lower, although Beni looked pretty low,last year.

 

He may just be a platoon player like Beni was likely to be, and he has 3 years of control to two from Beni.

[mvp 78]

2015: 126 games (524 PAs) minors

2016: 137 games (602 PAs) minors

2017: 123 games (528) FgW, minors & majors

2018: 97 games (396) FgW, minors & majors

2019: 40 games (296) FgW, minors & majors

2020: 43 games (157) FgW & majors (60 game MLB season)

 

Certainly not great, but not as bad as I thought after hearing all the banter.

 

 

 

 

18-19 was the same elbow injury. He had surgery and got it fixed.

 

2020 he broke his wrist.

[moonslav59]

18-19 was the same elbow injury. He had surgery and got it fixed.

 

2020 he broke his wrist.

 

Are these career threatening injuries?

 

Does injury prone mean he's going to break an ankle, next?

 

I'm not trying to yank your chain, here, but I'm not sure a few unrelated injuries means he's bound to get hurt, this year.

 

(He did play in the fall league after 2020.)

[mvp 78]

Are these career threatening injuries?

 

Does injury prone mean he's going to break an ankle, next?

 

I'm not trying to yank your chain, here, but I'm not sure a few unrelated injuries means he's bound to get hurt, this year.

 

(He did play in the fall league after 2020.)

 

I’d be more concerned about soft tissue injury or a substantial injury to his legs.

[moonslav59]

I considered all the current Padres position players for whom there’s a decent sample of 2017 Statcast information available. The player with the fastest average sprint speed? It’s not Manuel Margot. It’s Franchy Cordero. And, the player with the fastest average exit velocity? It’s not Wil Myers. It’s Franchy Cordero. A few days ago, I knew next to nothing about Cordero’s skillset. I knew only of his existence. Now I realize he’s one of the more exciting young players around.

 

 

Last season, there were 450 players with reliable recorded sprint speeds, and at least 30 batted balls. By speed, Cordero finished in seventh place, and I mean seventh place overall, in baseball, sandwiched between Delino DeShields and Keon Broxton. And then, by exit velocity, Cordero finished in 35th place, sandwiched between Greg Bird and Yulieski Gurriel. This is how I originally came across him — I noticed his name high on both lists, which I certainly didn’t expect. And in order to give you a frame of reference, here are all of those 450 players, with Cordero highlighted in yellow, over toward the upper right.

 

Statcast tracked 49 Cordero batted balls in the majors, and he hit ten of them at least 105 miles per hour, for a rate of 20.4%. There were more than 400 players with at least 50 tracked batted balls, and here’s the entire list of batters with a higher such rate than Cordero had in his cup of coffee.

 

Aaron Judge

Giancarlo Stanton

Miguel Sano

Nelson Cruz

Gary Sanchez

Joey Gallo

 

The proper interpretation is not that Franchy Cordero has Stanton-level pop. It’s just that he does hit the ball hard — very hard — and you don’t often observe that skill among burners...

 

He also flashed impressive center-field defense, which might simply follow from how quickly he moves around. Observers have pointed out that Cordero’s outfield defense can still look a little raw and unpolished, but it’s important to consider that he entered the Padres’ system as an infielder, and he only started playing in the outfield in 2015, and in center field in 2016. Cordero is a positional convert. Having long been a shortstop before, we can tell he has the arm and the footspeed to make it all work. The early big-league results were encouraging.

 

Franchy Cordero: a young center fielder with tremendous speed, A-grade strength, and a developing tendency to hit the ball in the air or on a line. Given a full season, right now, Cordero might strike out 200 times, but his approach could also take a step forward, and the suite of skills establishes a fairly high floor. When you can homer and play center field, you don’t need to do much else to be good. I don’t know why it feels like Cordero has mostly been ignored to this point, but of everybody in the Padres’ system at this writing, there’s no other player I’m more amped to watch.

Edited February 12, 2021 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

I’d be more concerned about soft tissue injury or a substantial injury to his legs.

 

Because he's so muscle bound?

[mvp 78]

Because he's so muscle bound?

 

Leg injury because it’d take away his athleticism. Soft tissue as they seem to me more likely to be recurring than broken wrists.

[mvp 78]

I considered all the current Padres position players for whom there’s a decent sample of 2017 Statcast information available. The player with the fastest average sprint speed? It’s not Manuel Margot. It’s Franchy Cordero. And, the player with the fastest average exit velocity? It’s not Wil Myers. It’s Franchy Cordero. A few days ago, I knew next to nothing about Cordero’s skillset. I knew only of his existence. Now I realize he’s one of the more exciting young players around.

 

 

Last season, there were 450 players with reliable recorded sprint speeds, and at least 30 batted balls. By speed, Cordero finished in seventh place, and I mean seventh place overall, in baseball, sandwiched between Delino DeShields and Keon Broxton. And then, by exit velocity, Cordero finished in 35th place, sandwiched between Greg Bird and Yulieski Gurriel. This is how I originally came across him — I noticed his name high on both lists, which I certainly didn’t expect. And in order to give you a frame of reference, here are all of those 450 players, with Cordero highlighted in yellow, over toward the upper right.

 

Statcast tracked 49 Cordero batted balls in the majors, and he hit ten of them at least 105 miles per hour, for a rate of 20.4%. There were more than 400 players with at least 50 tracked batted balls, and here’s the entire list of batters with a higher such rate than Cordero had in his cup of coffee.

 

Aaron Judge

Giancarlo Stanton

Miguel Sano

Nelson Cruz

Gary Sanchez

Joey Gallo

 

The proper interpretation is not that Franchy Cordero has Stanton-level pop. It’s just that he does hit the ball hard — very hard — and you don’t often observe that skill among burners...

 

“Toolsy”