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The only guy with recurrent injury issues on the staff was Paxton. I’ve acknowledged that and he once again came through with an injury. Sevy was misdiagnosed last year but he finished the year without shoulder or lat issues. His previous history pointed towards a bounce back.

 

Prior to the big trade, the Sox had four guys in their rotation with recurrent injury issues and two who finished the year injured. That’s not the same at all.

 

I never said the Yanks were "the same," but you clearly show way more optimism towards your guys than ours. It's understandable but still needs to be pointed out.

 

You were way more optimistic about Paxton than our pitchers with injury histories.

 

Sevy barely has a history due to his age, but he has spent a huge percent of his time in the bigs on the IL.

 

Yes, Happ has been healthy for many years but still only topped 178 IP once in his career and over 145 in 3 of his 6 seasons before last year.

 

Tanaka had been very healthy but also was never a big innings eater. No issues with your view on him.

 

German and Montgomery- LOL!

 

I'd consider Montgomery one of your starting 5, but he's hurt so much, you forgot to count him as one.

 

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He’s not “hurt so much”. He had TJS and is finally healthy

 

Did you count him as one of your top 5 starters out hurt all the time?

 

No.

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He wasn’t in the top 5 coming into the season. With Paxton and Sevy our hurt and German suspended, now he’s clearly in the top 5

 

I was mostly talking about your points made last winer- before the 2019 season.

 

He wasn't top 5 because he was out hurt? If he was healthy, he counts as top 5.

 

Your math is funny.

 

If a guy is really hurt on the Yanks, you don't count him as a starting 5 guy out hurt. If he's a Sox guy, he's one of our top 5 guys always out hurt.

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The Red Sox would have had a legitimate chance to make a run at the Division Title had they not dismantled the team.

 

 

 

The Sox won 85 games an finished 3rd last year. You spent years ripping Cherington for assembling a team that won just 7 fewer games...

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The Sox won 85 games an finished 3rd last year. You spent years ripping Cherington for assembling a team that won just 7 fewer games...

 

They actually only won 84 last year.

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They actually only won 84 last year.

 

... which only emphasizes my point.

 

The 2020 Red Sox season depended heavily on the health of Sale, Price and Eovaldi. Not on Betts. And with no depth below them any injury would have ruined not just 2020, but possibly 2021 and 2022 as well...

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... which only emphasizes my point.

 

The 2020 Red Sox season depended heavily on the health of Sale, Price and Eovaldi. Not on Betts. And with no depth below them any injury would have ruined not just 2020, but possibly 2021 and 2022 as well...

 

Let's face it, the trade will be scrutinized by the hindsight jury all season.

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Let's face it, the trade will be scrutinized by the hindsight jury all season.

 

Yes, but they will be looking in the wrong places to prove their point.

 

Betts is going to have a great year, but that doesn't make him the linchpin of the Sox season...

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Yes, but they will be looking in the wrong places to prove their point.

 

Betts is going to have a great year, but that doesn't make him the linchpin of the Sox season...

 

Can't say that for sure. What if we miss the playoffs by 3 games, and Betts has an 8 win season and Verdugo has a 2 win season?

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Can't say that for sure. What if we miss the playoffs by 3 games, and Betts has an 8 win season and Verdugo has a 2 win season?

 

And how did Price do?

 

The Sox could easily miss the postseason by 3 games. But to go and attribute those “wins” to the offfense (which top 3 or 4 in MLB by any metric) and to ignore obvious pitching issues is just laughable...

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And how did Price do?

 

The Sox could easily miss the postseason by 3 games. But to go and attribute those “wins” to the offfense (which top 3 or 4 in MLB by any metric) and to ignore obvious pitching issues is just laughable...

 

Wins are wins, whether by scoring runs or preventing them.

 

It's conceivable that our pitching is better than expected this year. The possibility exists.

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The Sox got trounced last year and we didn’t see Sevy til September. We have Cole this year and Paxton back for May 1.

 

Coming out of ST, it looks like

 

1. Cole

2. Tanaka

3. Happ

4. Montgomery

5. ???

 

Likely options are Loaisiga, Garcia or Schmidt. Our pen is going to need to be on point.

 

By May 1, Paxton should be back

 

By June 1, German should be back

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Wins are wins, whether by scoring runs or preventing them.

 

It's conceivable that our pitching is better than expected this year. The possibility exists.

 

The thing is, I don’t think there is as much opportunity for the Sox as some think. The Yankees won 103 games last year without Severino, who totaled like 3 games and 12 IP all year...

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The Sox got trounced last year and we didn’t see Sevy til September. We have Cole this year and Paxton back for May 1.

 

Coming out of ST, it looks like

 

1. Cole

2. Tanaka

3. Happ

4. Montgomery

5. ???

 

Likely options are Loaisiga, Garcia or Schmidt. Our pen is going to need to be on point.

 

By May 1, Paxton should be back

 

By June 1, German should be back

 

Careful; you can't expect either to walk back on the mound into instant stardom -- on a team expected to win it all; one's coming off an injury, the other from injuring someone else....

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Careful; you can't expect either to walk back on the mound into instant stardom -- on a team expected to win it all; one's coming off an injury, the other from injuring someone else....

 

Silly fool!! Only a Red Sox pitchers have lingering injuries!

 

Do NOT underestimate the Healing Power of Pinstripes!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or is that the Slimming Power of Pinstripes?

 

Well it’s one of the two. Definitely! I think..,

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I’m aware of that. But we won’t go shopping for replacements until we get all our guys back that are expected back this year. German was awesome last year. Paxton is health away from being an ace. He’s a second tier guy because he cannot seem to pitch much past 150 innings in a season.
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Likely options are Loaisiga, Garcia or Schmidt. Our pen is going to need to be on point.

 

The Yankees also recently signed Chad Bettis and Nick Tropeano. Although Tropeano does present a significant injury history of his own...

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The thing is, I don’t think there is as much opportunity for the Sox as some think. The Yankees won 103 games last year without Severino, who totaled like 3 games and 12 IP all year...

 

I know, but do we now think Cashman and Boone are miracle workers who can overcome anything?

 

I'm highly suspicious of how they achieved their offensive numbers with all the no-names last year.

 

Apparently Judge is not exactly 100% either.

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I’m aware of that. But we won’t go shopping for replacements until we get all our guys back that are expected back this year. German was awesome last year. Paxton is health away from being an ace. He’s a second tier guy because he cannot seem to pitch much past 150 innings in a season.

 

German was not awesome last year, unless you look only at his W-L record and ignore everything else.

 

FIP 4.72 fWAR 2.0 bWAR 1.8

 

He was better than average.

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