Sox still negotiating for Myers

[jacksonianmarch]

Looks like Bloom has his eye on buying a prospect or two from the Padres. The current floated idea is the Sox take Quantrill and Myers (maybe more) with the Padres eating half of the contract. The Sox would send a garbage player back and essentially they’ll buy Quantrill for half of Myers’ deal

[Jasonbay44]

We need to rebuild our farm, so I’m not against a move like this as long as we aren’t giving up anything valuable for Myers.

[Noles_1335]

Have to get some arms one way or the other and maybe just maybe, Myers can get back to being the player he once was!

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom = creative.

[Jack Flap]

I wouldn't trade Beni, but assuming the Betts/Price deal with LA ultimately goes through, I would indeed call the Padres back and see if they're still interested in sending us Myers...with our newfound payroll flexibility, we could take his contract along with a prospect or two.

 

Myers (full money), Campusano, Morejon, and Quantrill comes to a flat zero value on the trade simulator...Quantrill would become your #5 SP, and you get a couple more prospects to revitalize the system. Send the Padres any warm body and call it a day.

 

Bloom is a genius.

[mvp 78]

Looks like Bloom has his eye on buying a prospect or two from the Padres. The current floated idea is the Sox take Quantrill and Myers (maybe more) with the Padres eating half of the contract. The Sox would send a garbage player back and essentially they’ll buy Quantrill for half of Myers’ deal

 

Please don't call JBJ a garbage player.

[Donnie Sadler was short]

So would this mean JBJ is trade bait? This would give them a glut of "starter potential" outfielders wouldnt it?

[Jasonbay44]

So would this mean JBJ is trade bait? This would give them a glut of "starter potential" outfielders wouldnt it?

 

Myers can also play 1B. Not like Moreland is amazing

[mvp 78]

Myers can also play 1B. Not like Moreland is amazing

 

He'd platoon with Mitch, but I wonder if using Dalbec/Chavis would be better unless they are going to move them as well.

[oldtimer]

So would this mean JBJ is trade bait? This would give them a glut of "starter potential" outfielders wouldnt it?

 

There is a potential for multi-team trades in which JBJ might be involved. Bloom is playing a lot of angles so lets see what he can create. I don't think Moreland is going anywhere this year.

[Slasher9]

maybe we can start other threads on more rumors

[moonslav59]

If we get Myers, I wonder why we signed Moreland. We have Chavis and Dalbec to help at 1B, too.

 

Getting Quantrill would be nice, but even half of Myer's deal is a burden beyond 2020.

 

I'll wait to see the full deal before giving my opinion.

 

I wonder if Bloom sees something in Myers he thinks he can correct and see improvement.

[moonslav59]

Here are the values set by the Trade Values site of some SD players of possible interest:

 

-47.4 Myers -owed $68.5M/3 but Lux is $13.8M x 3

+8.0 Baez (RHP)- pre arb

+8.6 Quantrill (SP)- pre arb

+12.8 Naylor (OF/1B)- pre arb

+13.7 Morejon (LHP prospect)

+16.0 Yates (Closer)- $7.1M x 1 year, then FA

+32.1 Campusano (C prospect)

[mvp 78]

maybe we can start other threads on more rumors

 

We already do...

[mvp 78]

If we get Myers, I wonder why we signed Moreland. We have Chavis and Dalbec to help at 1B, too.

 

Getting Quantrill would be nice, but even half of Myer's deal is a burden beyond 2020.

 

I'll wait to see the full deal before giving my opinion.

 

I wonder if Bloom sees something in Myers he thinks he can correct and see improvement.

 

Myers is RHB. Mitch is LHB.

[moonslav59]

Myers is RHB. Mitch is LHB.

 

Yes, and Chavis & Dalbec are RH'd.

[mvp 78]

Yes, and Chavis & Dalbec are RH'd.

 

Maybe Bloom wants to use them as trade chips? Maybe he just likes Myers better? Maybe he is going to use Myers in the OF and move one of our OF assets? Maybe he moves JD and Myers is DH?

[moonslav59]

Myers is owed $68.5M/3 and his luxury tax number is $41.4M/3. If SD pays the difference ($27.5M) Myers will cost us zero on the lux tax line. If they pay more, we get a net gain on the tax line.

[moonslav59]

Maybe Bloom wants to use them as trade chips? Maybe he just likes Myers better? Maybe he is going to use Myers in the OF and move one of our OF assets? Maybe he moves JD and Myers is DH?

 

I'm thinking maybe we trade Chavis or Dalbec for Myers and Quantril plus cash. The trade simulator says theyd have to give about $44M to make it even. I doubt they do that, but I'd take less. Maybe add JBJ for Naylor and that lessens the money bigtime.

[mvp 78]

Myers is owed $68.5M/3 and his luxury tax number is $41.4M/3. If SD pays the difference ($27.5M) Myers will cost us zero on the lux tax line. If they pay more, we get a net gain on the tax line.

 

I've seen it reported differently elsewhere. I've seen where If SD and BOS split 50%, that each has about 7M against lux tax.

 

Though the extension Myers signed in Jan. 2017 calls for him to be paid $61 million ($20 million each season plus a $1 million buyout) through 2022, he’ll cost significantly less against the competitive balance tax threshold. Because Myers -- whose total deal was worth $83 million over six years -- has a backloaded deal, the CBT hit (which is based on average annual value) will be just $13.83 million in each season.

 

If the Sox took on half -- say, $30 million -- of Myers’ remaining salary, they’d take a CBT hit of less than $4 million in each of the next three years. The math is complicated, but that number comes from the money that would be sent from San Diego to Boston being equally spread over the remaining three years, lowering the CBT hit in each season. That scenario would be palatable for the Red Sox 2020, with their projected payroll then estimated to still be less than $200 million.

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2020/02/red-sox-trade-rumors-boston-still-discussing-wil-myers-with-padres-also-interested-in-young-pitchers-report.html

 

Someone needs to teach a class on CBT math.

[mvp 78]

I'm thinking maybe we trade Chavis or Dalbec for Myers and Quantril plus cash. The trade simulator says theyd have to give about $44M to make it even. I doubt they do that, but I'd take less. Maybe add JBJ for Naylor and that lessens the money bigtime.

 

If it's Chavis for Myers and Quantril, that's a good deal IMO.

[moonslav59]

I've seen it reported differently elsewhere. I've seen where If SD and BOS split 50%, that each has about 7M against lux tax.

 

Though the extension Myers signed in Jan. 2017 calls for him to be paid $61 million ($20 million each season plus a $1 million buyout) through 2022, he’ll cost significantly less against the competitive balance tax threshold. Because Myers -- whose total deal was worth $83 million over six years -- has a backloaded deal, the CBT hit (which is based on average annual value) will be just $13.83 million in each season.

 

If the Sox took on half -- say, $30 million -- of Myers’ remaining salary, they’d take a CBT hit of less than $4 million in each of the next three years. The math is complicated, but that number comes from the money that would be sent from San Diego to Boston being equally spread over the remaining three years, lowering the CBT hit in each season. That scenario would be palatable for the Red Sox 2020, with their projected payroll then estimated to still be less than $200 million.

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2020/02/red-sox-trade-rumors-boston-still-discussing-wil-myers-with-padres-also-interested-in-young-pitchers-report.html

 

Someone needs to teach a class on CBT math.

 

I guess that makes sense.

[moonslav59]

If it's Chavis for Myers and Quantril, that's a good deal IMO.

 

I'd still want 50% of Myers's contract paid.

[mvp 78]

I'd still want 50% of Myers's contract paid.

 

Of course. Need to stay as far under the CBT as possible.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Padres would be selling a bad asset with the promise of a real prospect. I like Quantrill. I think he’s the kind of high upside arm you want to be grooming. There’s literally no point to throwing BJ out there to get stomped

[moonslav59]

The Padres would be selling a bad asset with the promise of a real prospect. I like Quantrill. I think he’s the kind of high upside arm you want to be grooming. There’s literally no point to throwing BJ out there to get stomped

 

In theory, JBJ might lessen the amount of cash SD has to pay and would give them a good OF'er.

 

Chavis and JBJ for Myers, Naylor and Quantrill plus $15M

 

or

 

Chavis for Myers, Quantril and $30M.

 

The first choice saves them more money, but loses a nice young player in Naylor. They might insist on no money or less than $10M going to BOS.

Edited February 18, 2020 by moonslav59

[jacksonianmarch]

Moon, while I agree that Chavis’ stock is down, I don’t deal from a farm that’s scorched earth if I don’t have to. I wouldn’t even sell JBJ low. The Pads are looking for a salary dump. Give them Bandy. Literally nothing else. Eat half Myers’ contract. Take Quantrill if that’s what they’re offering. He becomes your 5 and you’ve got at least a near complete team. Right now the pitching depth is the place where the Sox are at their worst. Add to it by eating a bad contract, yet with some creative math, not have it hurt the Lux tax number much.

[Kimmi]

Bloom = creative.

 

[Kimmi]

Bloom is a genius.

 

Good call Jack!

[Kimmi]

If we get Myers, I wonder why we signed Moreland. We have Chavis and Dalbec to help at 1B, too.

 

Getting Quantrill would be nice, but even half of Myer's deal is a burden beyond 2020.

 

I'll wait to see the full deal before giving my opinion.

 

I wonder if Bloom sees something in Myers he thinks he can correct and see improvement.

 

I'm guessing if a deal like this gets done, the Sox would be optimistic that they could fix Myers.

 

But the bottom line is that we need the pitching. If Myers bounces back, that's an icing on the cake.