Mookie Betts and David Price have been traded to Dodgers

[mvp 78]

Trout is hardly the first star player whose marketability has been hurt by playing on crappy teams though?

 

He's still playing in a huge market though. That's NOT why he isn't a household name.

[Kimmi]

I respect that view. I'm kind of an agnostic on the HOF stuff. Whoever gets in gets in. It's not my call.

 

The entire HOF voting process is messed up anyway. I cannot put a lot of stock into who gets in and who doesn't.

 

That said, if I were voting, I would not vote for any known steroids users.

[oldtimer]

The entire HOF voting process is messed up anyway. I cannot put a lot of stock into who gets in and who doesn't.

 

That said, if I were voting, I would not vote for any known steroids users.

 

I agree with that approach. If they want to make a HOF category for known steroid users to placate those that are pushing for these guys to get in, then at the least make it known that they cannot be fairly compared to other clean players.

[jung]

The reason it's less exciting now is because baseball is unable to market the current crop of players they way they marketed Sosa and McGwire.

 

Mike Trout should be the most well known baseball player, even to casual fans. He should be Michael Jordan. MLB has failed to market him and other young stars because it's run by a bunch of old twats they only care about the money, not keeping it going for another 100 years.

 

I tend to agree with you on this point. They are all milking it now. IMO, none of them think it will be here in a 100 years nor even 50 years. I don't think so either. They are not interested in saving it.

 

Funny how similar that is to everything else we are doing in this country. We have become decadent in a way that is beyond reasonable. We have become decadent in a way that would amaze even the staunchest cold war Communists. Not meaning to draw on politics but there are stark political parallels to what is happening in MLB that makes what is happening in MLB not at all surprising.

 

In fact, your average 2020 Russian as decadent as he is would make any cold war Communist roll over in his grave.

[mvp 78]

I don’t know how to respond to that.

[notin]

The reason it's less exciting now is because baseball is unable to market the current crop of players they way they marketed Sosa and McGwire.

 

Mike Trout should be the most well known baseball player, even to casual fans. He should be Michael Jordan. MLB has failed to market him and other young stars because it's run by a bunch of old twats they only care about the money, not keeping it going for another 100 years.

 

 

But if the owners only cared about money (probably true), then why not market Trout heavily? Per your hypothesis, that should lead to even more money...

[mvp 78]

But if the owners only cared about money (probably true), then why not market Trout heavily? Per your hypothesis, that should lead to even more money...

 

Why they don’t market him? No clue.

[notin]

Why they don’t market him? No clue.

 

My best guess would be they don’t think marketing Trout/Betts/Acuna/Soto/Lindor types is the key to garnering more interest...

[mvp 78]

My best guess would be they don’t think marketing Trout/Betts/Acuna/Soto/Lindor types is the key to garnering more interest...

 

Which is dumb IMO.

[mvp 78]

Like Slasher said earlier, they need to be uploading videos FOR FREE of all their stars. They need to market to a younger generation. Right now, they are just marketing towards anyone 50+.

[Jasonbay44]

Like Slasher said earlier, they need to be uploading videos FOR FREE of all their stars. They need to market to a younger generation. Right now, they are just marketing towards anyone 50+.

 

It’s absurd to me they don’t. The NBA thrives by having videos of literally everything uploaded to social media instantly. Zion Williamson has a crazy dunk yesterday, NBA, bleacher report and ESPN all had it uploaded in less than 5 minutes. MLB should too, especially with how many exciting young players there is.

Edited March 2, 2020 by Jasonbay44

[mvp 78]

It’s absurd to me they don’t. The NBA thrives by having videos of literally everything uploaded to social media instantly. Zion Williamson has a crazy dunk yesterday, NBA, bleacher report and ESPN all had it uploaded in less than 5 minutes. MLB would too, especially with how many exciting young players there is.

 

That's all I'm saying!

 

NHL does it.

 

NFL does it.

 

NBA does it.

 

MLB can't be bothered.

 

It would take one full time employee and a twitter account.

[Jasonbay44]

That's all I'm saying!

 

NHL does it.

 

NFL does it.

 

NBA does it.

 

MLB can't be bothered.

 

It would take one full time employee and a twitter account.

Is there a reason why they don’t? I can’t logically think of a reason why they wouldn’t want best highlights of their sport uploaded ASAP. The other thing that is weird is I feel like they just don’t advertise or promote their young talent in general. I can scroll through Facebook or twitter and see highlights and/or interviews of all the young stars of other sports. Zion Williamson, Ja Morant, Mahomes, etc. With MLB players, if I wasn’t a Red Sox fan I’m not sure id even know what Mookie Betts sounded like. And there is so many stud players, especially young ones with great talent to be hyping up too. Fernando Tatis Jr and Vlad Jr would be perfect examples. Young, exciting and great personalities.

[jung]

Is there a reason why they don’t? I can’t logically think of a reason why they wouldn’t want best highlights of their sport uploaded ASAP. The other thing that is weird is I feel like they just don’t advertise or promote their young talent in general. I can scroll through Facebook or twitter and see highlights and/or interviews of all the young stars of other sports. Zion Williamson, Ja Morant, Mahomes, etc. With MLB players, if I wasn’t a Red Sox fan I’m not sure id even know what Mookie Betts sounded like. And there is so many stud players, especially young ones with great talent to be hyping up too. Fernando Tatis Jr and Vlad Jr would be perfect examples. Young, exciting and great personalities.

 

MLB is addicted to the monetary opportunity they see in their TV network, MLB Network. That's why. That is where they put the highlights. They have shows on the best defensive plays, HR's, best offensive show, best pitching job, all sorted weekly. They have features they run on their prime time show, I think, "MLB Tonight" that are so defined. They are certainly not going to upload it to a media that does not return them the revenue numbers they appear to believe they will get out of their network.

 

I am not convinced that MLB thinks that in this instance what works for the other major pro sports (free uploads) will work for them. They could be right. I could see them able to make that argument to themselves though I would really have to think about it to see if I would agree with them.

Edited March 2, 2020 by jung

[Jasonbay44]

MLB is addicted to the monetary opportunity they see in their TV network, MLB Network. That's why. That is where they put the highlights. They have shows on the best defensive plays, HR's, best offensive show, best pitching job, all sorted weekly. They have features they run on their prime time show, I think, "MLB Tonight" that are so defined. They are certainly not going to upload it to a media that does not return them the revenue numbers they appear to believe they will get out of their network.

 

I am not convinced that MLB thinks that in this instance what works for the other major pro sports (free uploads) will work for them. They could be right. I could see them able to make that argument to themselves though I would really have to think about it to see if I would agree with them.

NFL, NBA and NHL also have their own networks and still have no problem uploading the highlights and make it easy to view for fans. It was a really bad look last year when the MLB was getting into a pissing match with twitter because people were sharing highlights of games, so Twitter decided during the wild card games, videos couldn't be posted, so the MLB's own account and the Nationals account couldn't even share highlights from Juan Sotos game winning hit.

 

https://brobible.com/sports/article/mlb-juan-soto-tweet/

[jung]

NFL, NBA and NHL also have their own networks and still have no problem uploading the highlights and make it easy to view for fans. It was a really bad look last year when the MLB was getting into a pissing match with twitter because people were sharing highlights of games, so Twitter decided during the wild card games, videos couldn't be posted, so the MLB's own account and the Nationals account couldn't even share highlights from Juan Sotos game winning hit.

 

https://brobible.com/sports/article/mlb-juan-soto-tweet/

 

Agreed...but it just points out that much more clearly the MLB position. It might be the wrong position but its theirs.

 

I would really have to know more about their licensing agreements, their broadcast agreements ...all of that to be able to gain any feel for whether they have their heads screwed on straight or not.

 

As you would know from reading my posts across a broad range of topics I don't think MLB has its head screwed on straight about much of anything. But in this instance the crux of the issue might be in documents/contracts that are not visible to me.

[Jasonbay44]

Agreed...but it just points out that much more clearly the MLB position. It might be the wrong position but its theirs.

 

I would really have to know more about their licensing agreements, their broadcast agreements ...all of that to be able to gain any feel for whether they have their heads screwed on straight or not.

 

As you would know from reading my posts across a broad range of topics I don't think MLB has its head screwed on straight about much of anything. But in this instance the crux of the issue might be in documents/contracts that are not visible to me.

 

There is a fair point, but if there is an issue regarding that stuff, they need to fix it. Today, fans are raving on social media about how much they loved Trevor Bauer mocking the Astros by telling Dodgers hitters beforehand which pitch he was going to throw. Then in the Cubs game, Anthony Rizzo and Kris Bryant were mic'd up talking about the Astros, giving live by play by play and it was all around pretty funny. You would think the MLB would be doing everything they could to promote this type of content.

 

Here is link to one of the better moments of Rizzo comments for anyone interested:

https://twitter.com/Cubs_Live/status/1234584672094638082?s=20

[Donnie Sadler was short]

I don’t know how to respond to that.

 

[notin]

That's all I'm saying!

 

NHL does it.

 

NFL does it.

 

NBA does it.

 

MLB can't be bothered.

 

It would take one full time employee and a twitter account.

 

Well, MLB did try it. And successfully, with McGwire vs. Sosa. But then how did that really turn out? The fallout there was - they both were using steroids, or were at least strongly suspected of such. And that lead to a whole great big scandal that probably still isn't over yet.

 

Now MLB is getting headlines again for another cheating scandal.

 

MLB has decided to live and die on its history and tradition. The problem they keep facing is every time history gets challenged, it turns out someone did so illegally this time. (And it also hurts that everyone is willing to ignore all cheating pre-1990.)

 

I would not be surprised if they decided to hold off on pushing Trout as the next big thing for this reason. What would the fallout be if Trout - already maligned once with HGH rumors this off season - really wasn't clean? The NBA never had this problem with Jordan. His biggest smirch was some gambling issues that were easily sidestepped because it turned out, no one cared...

[mvp 78]

They have chosen death then.

[notin]

They have chosen death then.

 

Maybe.

 

Whether it is wise or not, do you think steroids and sign stealing have influenced the way they market?

[mvp 78]

Maybe.

 

Whether it is wise or not, do you think steroids and sign stealing have influenced the way they market?

 

Not at all

[notin]

Not at all

 

You might be right. I'm just theorizing here. Not like Manfred returns my calls anymore...

[mvp 78]

You might be right. I'm just theorizing here. Not like Manfred returns my calls anymore...

 

I do like your theory. I just don’t think Manfred is that cognizant of PR.

[notin]

I do like your theory. I just don’t think Manfred is that cognizant of PR.

 

That's weird. I don't think he's cognizant of anything else. Certainly baseball is not on his mind...

[mvp 78]

That's weird. I don't think he's cognizant of anything else. Certainly baseball is not on his mind...

 

He’s so cognizant that he is paralyzed and unable to do anything except worry about games being too long?

[notin]

He’s so cognizant that he is paralyzed and unable to do anything except worry about games being too long?

 

I hate that his mission was to change the game to shorten. Hey Manfred, you're the Commissioner of MLB. Quit acting like you have somewhere else to be that's more important than watching baseball!!

 

Why does he want games so short? Did he forget to set his DVR to record "This Is Us"?

[mvp 78]

Narcolepsy

[Bellhorn04]

I do like your theory. I just don’t think Manfred is that cognizant of PR.

 

I see two areas in which MLB is trying to grow revenue recently, and they're both pretty yucky:

 

1) Gambling-Draft Kings/FanDuel.

2) Nike swooshes on uniforms.

[notin]

I see two areas in which MLB is trying to grow revenue recently, and they're both pretty yucky:

 

1) Gambling-Draft Kings/FanDuel.

2) Nike swooshes on uniforms.

 

But Draft Kings and Fanduel aren’t gambling. At least according to the State’s Attorney of Florida