Seagar ,May ,Pollock for Mookie ?

[Bellhorn04]

Well, yes and no.

 

Obviously the player only opts out if he thinks he can get more money, which only happens if he is doing well. But unless the player is under 30, he probably is going to see at least the start of a decline in production, and see it very soon. So while teams will see players walk away with very little compensation (qualifying offers can be extended to players who opt out), the real bonus for the team is the extremely likely scenario of a player simply walking away before he becomes an albatross...

 

And in the case that the player could get more money on the open market, you'd be better off having him because you'd be able to trade him.

 

Thus it's a fallacy that the player opting out benefits you.

[notin]

And in the case that the player could get more money on the open market, you'd be better off having him because you'd be able to trade him.

 

Thus it's a fallacy that the player opting out benefits you.

 

That’s all fine and dandy if you knew the future. Most teams keep those players and watch them pass their expiration dates...

[Bellhorn04]

That’s all fine and dandy if you knew the future. Most teams keep those players and watch them pass their expiration dates...

 

So what you're really saying is that the people who run the teams are stupid, and that an opt-out might save the team from its own stupidity through sheer luck.

[jad]

Just a question: the CBA does not allow renegotiating (or 'restructuring' as the euphemism goes) a contract at any point during the life of that contract, correct? Thus the only way to get rid of an 'opt out' provision in a contract would be to have the player exercise that opt out and negotiate a new contract, right?

[notin]

So what you're really saying is that the people who run the teams are stupid, and that an opt-out might save the team from its own stupidity through sheer luck.

 

Not stupidity.

 

Free agents are largely signed for PR purposes. There’s no way I know these players are declining but GMs don’t.

 

Opt outs clear out the PR moves from the past earlier than was necessary at the time...

[Bellhorn04]

Not stupidity.

 

Free agents are largely signed for PR purposes.

 

That's a whole other debate.

[moonslav59]

700hitter's point comes into effect if the guy has a strong year before the opt-out decision.

 

Then you would be hoping for him to opt in, because in theory he'd be tradeable for at least as much as what was left on his contract.

 

I understand his point, and it is valid.

 

So is the position that him opting out before the expected decline begins is valid. Hoping to trade him could work, but who knows?

[Elktonnick]

Weei at 3:55 posted the following: "Sources familiar with the situation tell WEEI.COM Rob Bradford however that the players involved aren't currently realistically the package the Sox would get in return for Betts".

 

The above post was about 2 hrs after Gammons post which predicted that the Boston to LA deal for Betts was inevitable and listed several players including Verdugo.

 

I will leave to others to decipher Bradford's comments. I surmise we will know the actual trade details if any in due time.

[Larry Cook]

How many unnamed sources can people quote as having knowledge of this supposed deal?

[Elktonnick]

How many unnamed sources can people quote as having knowledge of this supposed deal?

I am not a Rob Bradford fan mainly because he has been an unofficial PR man for the FO. But one thing I can not criticize him for is his lack of sources within the FO. If anything I presume that Bradford's post is reflection of the FO's desire to lower expectations as to the quality of player Boston is expected to receive from. any trade. The word "realistically" to me is the give away.

[Monster24]

I am not a Rob Bradford fan mainly because he has been an unofficial PR man for the FO. But one thing I can not criticize him for is his lack of sources within the FO. If anything I presume that Bradford's post is reflection of the FO's desire to lower expectations as to the quality of player Boston is expected to receive from. any trade. The word "realistically" to me is the give away.

 

If we can’t even one guy with a bad back and 2 guys most people never heard of things don’t look too promising

[Swiharts Ghost]

If we can’t even one guy with a bad back and 2 guys most people never heard of things don’t look too promising

 

Although I respect Peter he’s most definitely fallible and so are all these reporters .The Truth is about to come down and our brand new GM will forever be known for the GM who traded Mookie for said package .I think Verdugo is fine and If we did get Jeter we could flip the guy for what we may ultimately need .My point is this ....we cannot judge this trade right away we can only look back in a few years after all these moving players are either contributing or have not .Be patient it’s about Championships and if one or two of these men lead us to acquiring a bat or a pitcher that’s instrumental in the championship it’s a win for me .Mookie is gone he gave us a great run but he’s now out priced what John wants to pony up and that’s that .

[notin]

I am not a Rob Bradford fan mainly because he has been an unofficial PR man for the FO. But one thing I can not criticize him for is his lack of sources within the FO. If anything I presume that Bradford's post is reflection of the FO's desire to lower expectations as to the quality of player Boston is expected to receive from. any trade. The word "realistically" to me is the give away.

 

Gammons was talking to 3 NL Execs not from the Dodgers who were trying to predict a package. It did look heavy, with Verdugo, Jeter Downs, LHP Caleb Ferguson and another prospect. If Bradford had actual info, he would have posted it. But it just appears to me that, like me, Bradford thought that package was a tad heavy and some of these Execs are a little looser with other teams’ prospects.

 

Ultimately there was no info to be gleaned either way from either tweet...

[Larry Cook]

Although I respect Peter he’s most definitely fallible and so are all these reporters .The Truth is about to come down and our brand new GM will forever be known for the GM who traded Mookie for said package .I think Verdugo is fine and If we did get Jeter we could flip the guy for what we may ultimately need .My point is this ....we cannot judge this trade right away we can only look back in a few years after all these moving players are either contributing or have not .Be patient it’s about Championships and if one or two of these men lead us to acquiring a bat or a pitcher that’s instrumental in the championship it’s a win for me .Mookie is gone he gave us a great run but he’s now out priced what John wants to pony up and that’s that .

 

If it is all about championships, why not keep Betts this year and see if our “bruise as easy as bananas” (aka our starting pitchers) have a comeback year!

 

Lord knows they can not (as a group) be more pathetic than they were last year!

[jacksonianmarch]

If it is all about championships, why not keep Betts this year and see if our “bruise as easy as bananas” (aka our starting pitchers) have a comeback year!

 

Lord knows they can not (as a group) be more pathetic than they were last year!

 

They’re pitchers, they can be out for a whole season if they want to.

 

It looks like the resolution is gonna come soon. That usually means teams have given their best and final and now the Sox have to pick. I’m still shocked the Mets aren’t in on this. They don’t need Price, but they certainly could use Betts and are likely going to be a strong suitor for him on the open market

[Slasher9]

We will be getting nothing for Betts, just one years earlier. The draft pick that we will get a year from now will probably be just as valuable as the garbage that the Dodgers are looking to foist upon us.

 

this might be true but i think the plan is to move Mookie now to get under the LT for 2020 so that we can afford to pay Mookie for the 2021-2031 seasons. so the question is - do you want Mookie for 1 season more or do you want mookie for 10 seasons more?

[mvp 78]

this might be true but i think the plan is to move Mookie now to get under the LT for 2020 so that we can afford to pay Mookie for the 2021-2031 seasons. so the question is - do you want Mookie for 1 season more or do you want mookie for 10 seasons more?

 

I'd take Verdugo over a 4th round draft pick. It's not even really close.

[moonslav59]

I'd take Verdugo over a 4th round draft pick. It's not even really close.

 

Even Gonsolin or cartaya, alone, is rated higher than a comp pick. (BTW, we don't know if it will be a 4th rounder. It depends on the lux tax final placement.)

[a700hitter]

I'd take Verdugo over a 4th round draft pick. It's not even really close.

we are not going to get Verdugo straight up for Mookie. That is a pipe-dream.

[moonslav59]

we are not going to get Verdugo straight up for Mookie. That is a pipe-dream.

 

Double pipe dream!

 

We got Verdugo AND dumped Price!

[mvp 78]

Double pipe dream!

 

We got Verdugo AND dumped Price!

 

Still paying half his salary.

[a700hitter]

Double pipe dream!

 

We got Verdugo AND dumped Price!

it was a pipe dream to get him straight up for Betts and we did not.

[moonslav59]

Still paying half his salary.

 

I expected as much. He was probably worth maybe $10-12M x 3 on the open market, so we actually got LA to pay more than his worth.

 

Now, he could bounce back and make me eat those words, but I for one am glad to be rid of Price.

[moonslav59]

it was a pipe dream to get him straight up for Betts and we did not.

 

LOL, you are too much.

[a700hitter]

LOL, you are too much.

That was my exact statement. That getting Verdugo straight up for Betts was a pipe dream.

[moonslav59]

That was my exact statement. That getting Verdugo straight up for Betts was a pipe dream.

 

You're too much. Period.

[harmony]

Does the trade open up a rotation slot for Brian Johnson, Matt Hall or Hector Velazquez?

[a700hitter]

You're too much. Period.

imo, Price at half price was worth a lot. I’d have kept him at $15 million a year in a heart beat.

[a700hitter]

You're too much. Period.

Beat your chest all you want. Chaim had better have some tricks up his sleeve to avoid a 2020 debacle.

[moonslav59]

Beat your chest all you want. Chaim had better have some tricks up his sleeve to avoid a 2020 debacle.

 

It appears to me, it is you beating your chest about being wrong, again. We got more than Verdugo, and somehow you twist it into you convincing yourself you were right. (Hint: everybody can see through your escapades.) Yes, you are too much.

 

I expected 2020 to be disappointing, and was hoping we could improve the extended future somehow this winter. This looks to be a step in that direction, and yes, at the sad expense of 2020's already slim hopes.