Mookie downgrade thread

[notin]

Chapman did too. Yanks traded him to Cubs then signed him as free agent.

 

Also Rickey Henderson in 1993. And probably a lot in between who were less famous...

[notin]

I'm beginning to sense that one is dependent upon the other, and that that may be Boston's plan; the Sox have to reset so they can re-up Mookie... and not lose another hundred million in taxes, draft picks and additional funding for international signings.

 

It's kind of ridiculous since they haven't signed any major free agents from other teams since JD nearly two years ago... and before that the last significant contributor to a title was Moreland in 2016. But them's the rules.

 

I'd think so, but it is really hard to envision them resetting without dealing Mookie. Unless they do something even stupider, like dealing Bogaerts or Sale...

[moonslav59]

I'd think so, but it is really hard to envision them resetting without dealing Mookie. Unless they do something even stupider, like dealing Bogaerts or Sale...

 

If we deal JBJ, we're about $7-8M from the line.

 

You can't envision someone paying Price or Eovaldi over $8M (while we pay the rest)?

[jacksonianmarch]

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/payroll/

 

Looking at this, if you deal off JBJ and give no money and get no other money/contracts back, the sox will still need to clear $12+ mil. If you aren't a believer in the $2 mil MiLB contracts, then you're looking at $10 mil. Then you will need to replace the CFer.

[notin]

If we deal JBJ, we're about $7-8M from the line.

 

You can't envision someone paying Price or Eovaldi over $8M (while we pay the rest)?

 

Then we have to replace Price or Eovaldi, right? Plus risk JD Martinez opting out and sticking the Sox with a $5.25mill adjustment. And Martinez absolutely is opting out after 2020; his contract was written to make him opt out.

 

That $8mill savings on Price/Eovaldi disappears faster than a brother-in-law after borrowing money....

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think the Red Sox are not only not trading Mookie, but are looking at his free agency the same way the Yanks looked at Cole. Do what it takes.

 

"We have the money in the budget, just give him what he wants," said Theo Epstein, on draft deadline signing day, 2011 (Speier, Homegrown, 2018, p. 27). Speaking words of wisdom -- get Mookie...

[fxkatt]

I'd think so, but it is really hard to envision them resetting without dealing Mookie. Unless they do something even stupider, like dealing Bogaerts or Sale...

 

I think I actually trust Price more than Sale. And if we could trade Sale's whole contract, that, to me, would be a plus. And this alone would work the re-set magic.

[moonslav59]

Then we have to replace Price or Eovaldi, right? Plus risk JD Martinez opting out and sticking the Sox with a $5.25mill adjustment. And Martinez absolutely is opting out after 2020; his contract was written to make him opt out.

 

That $8mill savings on Price/Eovaldi disappears faster than a brother-in-law after borrowing money....

 

If we trade Betts, we are giving upon 2020.

 

How is trading JBJ and Price or Eovaldi any worse?

 

The JD choice is about 2021 not 2020.

 

My point about $8M savings on Price or Eovaldi was just that it is the minimum we need someone to pay. I'm pretty sure a team will pay more than that- enough for us to pick up a cheap P and CF'er. If not, we go in-house and look to 2021 and beyond.

[moonslav59]

I think I actually trust Price more than Sale. And if we could trade Sale's whole contract, that, to me, would be a plus. And this alone would work the re-set magic.

 

I trust Sale way more than Price, but my guess is GMs do too, so it would be easier trading him than Price.

[fxkatt]

I trust Sale way more than Price, but my guess is GMs do too, so it would be easier trading him than Price.

 

I'm sure you're right about the GMs, but it terms of innings pitched in the coming 2-3 years, I might still go with Price over Sale. But in terms of a re-set, if it's Sale who works best, I wouldn't hesitate to trade him.

[moonslav59]

I'm sure you're right about the GMs, but it terms of innings pitched in the coming 2-3 years, I might still go with Price over Sale. But in terms of a re-set, if it's Sale who works best, I wouldn't hesitate to trade him.

 

If we trade JBJ, trading either Price or Sale and paying part of their contract will get us under the line.

 

"Who works best?" To me, that probably & mostly depends on who does worse over the next few years.

[mvp 78]

If we trade JBJ, trading either Price or Sale and paying part of their contract will get us under the line.

 

"Who works best?" To me, that probably & mostly depends on who does worse over the next few years.

 

If you're trading Sale, you don't eat any of the contract.

[Bellhorn04]

If you're trading Sale, you don't eat any of the contract.

 

I think it would be a first to trade a 5 year contract before it starts.

[moonslav59]

I seriously doubt we even discuss trading Sale,

[TylerD]

Mookie signed!

[OH FOY]

27 million on his final year. Trout 37+ you think Mookie is looking at a 7 million dollar increase, in his contract, like this year? He had a good year not a great year. Getting Mookie at 34 would be a very good contract for the Sox. Very Fair. Edited January 10, 2020 by OH FOY!

[moonslav59]

27 million on his final year. Trout 37+ you think Mookie is looking at a 7 million dollar increase, in his contract, like this year? He had a good year not a great year. Getting Mookie at 34 would be a very good contract for the Sox. Very Fair.

 

His current contract was to avoid arb. He'd have gotten way over $34M this year on the open market.

 

The issue is for how many years.

 

He might be worth $60-70M for just one year.

[OH FOY]

Thanks, your not understanding what I'm getting at. Of course its about years.

[TylerD]

We are happy he’s back..... right?

[Bellhorn04]

We are happy he’s back..... right?

 

This arb agreement is pretty much a non-event. The only question was the dollar amount.

 

I'll be happy if he's not traded, yes.

[VJCPatriot]

The latest rumor is that San Diego is offering Wil Myers plus prospects for Mookie Betts.

 

Terrible trade imo.

 

1. Myers is a career .763 batter so he would be a huge downgrade at either 1B or LF which are the positions that he plays.

2. Myers is earning 20m per season for the next 4 years.

 

So we are locked into a bad contract with a mediocre player for 4 years? How does this help give us salary relief?

Bad, bad deal if we have to take back Myers. Please stay away from this Chaim Bloom!

[notin]

The latest rumor is that San Diego is offering Wil Myers plus prospects for Mookie Betts.

 

Terrible trade imo.

 

1. Myers is a career .763 batter so he would be a huge downgrade at either 1B or LF which are the positions that he plays.

2. Myers is earning 20m per season for the next 4 years.

 

So we are locked into a bad contract with a mediocre player for 4 years? How does this help give us salary relief?

Bad, bad deal if we have to take back Myers. Please stay away from this Chaim Bloom!

 

Myers has only 3 years left at $22.67 mill. Still a bad contract, but not as bad as you say.

 

Bloom has stayed away, at least from San Diego;s insistence that the Sox take the whole contract.

[jacksonianmarch]

This arb agreement is pretty much a non-event. The only question was the dollar amount.

 

I'll be happy if he's not traded, yes.

 

I’ll be pumped if he’s not traded. I’m not worried about the 2020 Red Sox at all. If he’s not dealt, then I won’t have to worry about the trade haul becoming great 3-4 years from now

[harmony]

The latest rumor is that San Diego is offering Wil Myers plus prospects for Mookie Betts.

 

Terrible trade imo.

1. Myers is a career .763 batter so he would be a huge downgrade at either 1B or LF which are the positions that he plays.

2. Myers is earning 20m per season for the next 4 years.

 

So we are locked into a bad contract with a mediocre player for 4 years? How does this help give us salary relief?

Bad, bad deal if we have to take back Myers. Please stay away from this Chaim Bloom!

The 2020 Marcel projections for Wil Myers and Mitch Moreland:

 

WM 426 PA, .244/.322/.444/.765

MM 413 PA, .243/.320/.451/.771

 

Moreland's numbers with Boston and Myers' over the same period:

 

MM 1370 PA, .251/.319/.444/.763, OPS+ 101

WM 1482 PA, .244/.323/.444/.786, OPS+ 105

 

The one-time All Stars are separated by five years in age.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/myerswi01.shtml

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/morelmi01.shtml

Edited January 25, 2020 by harmony

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If Moreland is re-signed, he would just be the lefty stick in a platoon and/or defensive replacement at this point. They're all temps while the Nation awaits the next big thing -- Casas -- who is reportedly getting bigger...

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/top-prospect-triston-casas-quite-173557037.html?src=rss

[mvp 78]

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/story/2020-01-27/padres-mookie-betts-red-sox-wil-myers-cal-quantrill-manuel-margot

 

Multiple sources, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the talks between the teams, said the Padres are willing to send two young major leaguers and at least one prospect to Boston along with Myers in exchange for Betts, the 2018 American League MVP.

 

But in order for the Padres to assume the $27 million salary due Betts on what would essentially be a one-year rental, the team wants the Red Sox to come up significantly in the portion of Myers’ contract they are willing to pay.

 

Myers is owed $61 million over the next three seasons, and the Red Sox are offering to assume about half that. Sources said the Padres would prefer to eat only about a quarter of the money owed Myers in order to take on Betts’ salary.

 

The Padres, the sources said, are willing to include outfielder Manuel Margot or Josh Naylor and starting pitcher Cal Quantrill or Joey Lucchesi in the deal.

[Jack Flap]

Sources said the Padres would prefer to eat only about a quarter of the money owed Myers in order to take on Betts’ salary.

 

The Padres, the sources said, are willing to include outfielder Manuel Margot or Josh Naylor and starting pitcher Cal Quantrill or Joey Lucchesi in the deal.[/i]

 

Well that ought to do it (said no one)...

[notin]

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/story/2020-01-27/padres-mookie-betts-red-sox-wil-myers-cal-quantrill-manuel-margot

 

Multiple sources, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the talks between the teams, said the Padres are willing to send two young major leaguers and at least one prospect to Boston along with Myers in exchange for Betts, the 2018 American League MVP.

 

But in order for the Padres to assume the $27 million salary due Betts on what would essentially be a one-year rental, the team wants the Red Sox to come up significantly in the portion of Myers’ contract they are willing to pay.

 

Myers is owed $61 million over the next three seasons, and the Red Sox are offering to assume about half that. Sources said the Padres would prefer to eat only about a quarter of the money owed Myers in order to take on Betts’ salary.

 

The Padres, the sources said, are willing to include outfielder Manuel Margot or Josh Naylor and starting pitcher Cal Quantrill or Joey Lucchesi in the deal.

 

Per BR.com, Myers is owed $67mill.

 

If the Padres only want to eat a quarter of that - assuming I am reading this right - they expect the Sox to pay about $50mill.

 

So how does that work from an AAV standpoint?

[jacksonianmarch]

Per BR.com, Myers is owed $67mill.

 

If the Padres only want to eat a quarter of that - assuming I am reading this right - they expect the Sox to pay about $50mill.

 

So how does that work from an AAV standpoint?

 

It would go in like this (Stanton is similar)

 

$14 mil AAV minus SD payment /3. So in this case, the Pads pay $18 mil, so $6 mil per year. Myers then costs $8 mil per season by Lux Tax

[mvp 78]

The lux tax for Myers is 13.8M. My guess is that it would be 1/4 less if he was traded to the Sox, so about 10.35M? The trade would save the sox about 17M.