Playing Red Sox GM: salary dump time!

[VJCPatriot]

I’m trading away Price, Eovaldi, and JBJ. Those moves alone saves the Sox 60m in yearly salary. We might need to throw in sweetners to move price and eovaldi but it’s worth it to get them off the books. We might even save enough money to resign/extend Betts.

 

If you’re in charge, who do you dump?

[Swiharts Ghost]

I’m trading away Price, Eovaldi, and JBJ. Those moves alone saves the Sox 60m in yearly salary. We might need to throw in sweetners to move price and eovaldi but it’s worth it to get them off the books. We might even save enough money to resign/extend Betts.

 

If you’re in charge, who do you dump?

 

Going to be tough sell but I see what your doing .

[moonslav59]

It's easy to just say, "Trade Price & Eovaldi." Are you for it or against it?

 

How much salary are we chipping in? Are we adding some decent talent or prospects to the deals to get someone to take them without us paying so much? If so, who?

 

Also, we can just non tender JBJ, so we don't need to trade him to cut salary.

 

We would not "save $60M" unless we trade Betts with Price and Beni with Eovaldi. Am I for that? No.

 

I do think we should explore any interest in these guys, but unless we can save a lot of money by trading them, and don't lose significant players as add-ons, I'm thinking we may be better off hoping and praying they bounce back and either increase their future trade value or help us win more in the next 3 years.

[harmony]

It's easy to just say, "Trade Price & Eovaldi." Are you for it or against it?

 

How much salary are we chipping in? Are we adding some decent talent or prospects to the deals to get someone to take them without us paying so much? If so, who?

 

Also, we can just non tender JBJ, so we don't need to trade him to cut salary.

 

We would not "save $60M" unless we trade Betts with Price and Beni with Eovaldi. Am I for that? No.

 

I do think we should explore any interest in these guys, but unless we can save a lot of money by trading them, and don't lose significant players as add-ons, I'm thinking we may be better off hoping and praying they bounce back and either increase their future trade value or help us win more in the next 3 years.

According to this website, the surplus values of Mookie Betts and Andrew Benintendi would not be enough to offset the negative trade values of David Price and Nathan Eovaldi:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

[Jasonbay44]

I don't think Price is movable with his contract, unless we eating almost all of the money, and/or including premium talent. Its probably not going to be worth it to trade him. I think we all knew the Price contract would have some bad years on it and they're just gonna have to deal with it. This is why long term contracts, especially for players in their 30's are dangerous, but overall, I think Price's contract can be viewed as a success. He was incredibly clutch in the playoffs and helped them win a world series.

 

Eovaldi on the other hand is looking like a horrendous investment.

[Slasher9]

only 1 of those guys is tradeable and technically he isn't even on our books for next season.

DD made the deal with the devil for Price. we have to live with it.

[Bellhorn04]

"We might need to throw in sweetners to move price and eovaldi"

 

That's funny stuff.

[Slasher9]

"We might need to throw in sweetners to move price and eovaldi"

 

That's funny stuff.

 

sweetners = 90% of the contract $$

that sound about right?

[Bellhorn04]

sweetners = 90% of the contract $$

that sound about right?

 

Yep, that sort of mucho dinero in sweetners.

[notin]

According to this website, the surplus values of Mookie Betts and Andrew Benintendi would not be enough to offset the negative trade values of David Price and Nathan Eovaldi:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

 

That same website had Price having roughly the same value as Wil Myers, which might be a deal that makes sense for both teams under certain conditions...

[moonslav59]

That same website had Price having roughly the same value as Wil Myers, which might be a deal that makes sense for both teams under certain conditions...

 

Myer is owed: 20:$20M, 21:$20M, 22:$20M, 23:$20M club option ($1M buyout).

 

That could be $61M/3 compared to Price's $96M/3.

 

The luxury hit is only $14M as compared to price's $31M.

 

I'd do it. Myers can play 1B and OF. We need both positions.

 

With the saved money, Bloom can find a couple lower cost gems to fill the 4-5 slots for Price & Porcello.

 

Throw in Travis & Johnson.

Edited October 28, 2019 by moonslav59

[notin]

Myer is owed: 20:$20M, 21:$20M, 22:$20M, 23:$20M club option ($1M buyout).

 

That could be $61M/3 compared to price's $66M/3.

 

The luxury hit is only $14M as compared to price's $31M.

 

I'd do it. Myers can play 1B and OF. We need both positions.

 

With the saved money, Bloom can find a couple lower cost gems to fill the 4-5 slots for Price & Porcello.

 

Throw in Travis & Johnson.

 

For the record, Price is owed $96mill over the next 3 years, not $66mill.. It's worth it for the $17mill savings towards the luxury tax...

[moonslav59]

For the record, Price is owed $96mill over the next 3 years, not $66mill.. It's worth it for the $17mill savings towards the luxury tax...

 

Yes, my bad. 3 x $32=96.

 

Even without the luxury tax savings, I might still do this deal.

 

I'd even pitch in $5-7M a year to help off set the difference. We'd still save $10-12M on the luxury tax budget. I think Bloom can make that $12M go a long way.

[Carpin]

Here's a crazy idea for you guys

 

Send Betts and Price to the Padres and take back Will Myers and you maximize the prospects you get back in return dumping Price at the same time

[notin]

Here's a crazy idea for you guys

 

Send Betts and Price to the Padres and take back Will Myers and you maximize the prospects you get back in return dumping Price at the same time

 

So the Padres take on a net of over $40mill in salary and that somehow maximizes the prospect return? Over just trading Betts?

 

I would deal Price for Myers and perhaps try to extend the deal for some of the Padres 40 man roster crunch prospects for some of Boston’s not needing protection. But deal Betts seperately...

[kenmeister]

I'd like to go one more year on Price & Eovaldi before looking to move them; I'm actually hopeful they bounce back and have good seasons.

 

Sale, on the other hand, I'm very concerned about. Extending him looks like a horrible move. I'm concerned he'll never be the same. I'd love to be proven wrong.

[moonslav59]

I'd like to go one more year on Price & Eovaldi before looking to move them; I'm actually hopeful they bounce back and have good seasons.

 

Sale, on the other hand, I'm very concerned about. Extending him looks like a horrible move. I'm concerned he'll never be the same. I'd love to be proven wrong.

 

Our best bet is to hope one or both bounce back and improve their trade value or their outlook for helping us in 2022 & 2023.

 

Trading them now would mean us paying many many millions for nothing.

[moonslav59]

So the Padres take on a net of over $40mill in salary and that somehow maximizes the prospect return? Over just trading Betts?

 

I would deal Price for Myers and perhaps try to extend the deal for some of the Padres 40 man roster crunch prospects for some of Boston’s not needing protection. But deal Betts seperately...

 

Good thinking. We'll have oddles of room on our 40 man, while SD will be facing a 40 man crunch.

 

[notin]

A couple names that might be on Bloom's radar

 

Tanner Roark. Made $10mill last year in arb and about $21mill in the past 3 years, during which he has been worth 7.0 fWAR. Basically he gives David Price production for Mike Fiers money.

 

CJ Cron. A non-tender candidate in Minnesota who has made $7mill in the past 2 seasons combined, where he has hit 55 home runs and posted an OPS+ of 113, roughly what Mitch Moreland posted last year at a salary roughly equal to Cron's combined 2 year earnings.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Bloom had Cron in Tampa in 2018 -- he hit 30 homers, then right after the season was allowed to be taken off waivers by the Twins. I found that curious to say the least... if it was a salary dump, Minnesota more than doubled his pay this past year. Not every baseball move makes sense to fans, though we hope they're all part of a plan. Corey Dickerson was another; All-Star in Tampa in '17, traded that winter for Daniel Hudson, who was then released at the end of Spring Training.

 

Orlando Cabrera, acquired at the deadline in '04, was a superior upgrade for Nomar at shortstop, a solid hitter and cheerleader/handshaker in the dugout. I loved it after Gm 7 in NY when he held up four fingers on one hand and an empty fist on the other to the crowd. What compelled the Sox to immediately replace OC with Renteria, a guy who couldn't hack it in Boston? No sportswriter or talk show personality has ever sufficiently explained the move. I suspect some know the truth and can't/won't divulge. Something was up, because Cabrera then played for seven different teams for the last seven years of his career. But including the Sox, five of them went to the playoffs with him as a regular. Guy was a winner.

[notin]

Orlando Cabrera, acquired at the deadline in '04, was a superior upgrade for Nomar at shortstop, a solid hitter and cheerleader/handshaker in the dugout. I loved it after Gm 7 in NY when he held up four fingers on one hand and an empty fist on the other to the crowd. What compelled the Sox to immediately replace OC with Renteria, a guy who couldn't hack it in Boston? No sportswriter or talk show personality has ever sufficiently explained the move. I suspect some know the truth and can't/won't divulge. Something was up, because Cabrera then played for seven different teams for the last seven years of his career. But including the Sox, five of them went to the playoffs with him as a regular. Guy was a winner.

 

I can explain that move easily.

 

Free agent compensation at the time called for receiving the first round pick from the players new team as well as a sandwich pick for all Type A free agents as determined by the Elias Sports Bureau. Cabrera and Renteria were both Type A free agents, so by letting Cabrera walk, the Red Sox gained two first round picks (one from the Angels for signing Cabrera, and a sandwich pick before the second round), and then lost their pick to St. Louis for signing Renteria. The Sox used their picks (I think, without looking it up) to draft Jed Lowrie and Jacoby Ellsbury, while St. Louis used the Sox pick to draft Colby Rasmus.

 

It was a technique Epstein loved to employ to quickly restock the barren farm system he inherited...

[moonslav59]

There were also rumors he was hitting on other players' wives.

 

That could explain so many teams.

[Bellhorn04]

There were also some vicious rumors about Cabrera's off-field carnal antics.

[notin]

There were also rumors he was hitting on other players' wives.

 

That could explain so many teams.

 

He did show himself to be selfish and egomaniacal while on the White Sox.

 

But I think Epstein was just going for the draft picks...

[Swiharts Ghost]

There were also some vicious rumors about Cabrera's off-field carnal antics.

 

....umm yes .The rumor at hand would have you and I in prison .

[moonslav59]

He did show himself to be selfish and egomaniacal while on the White Sox.

 

But I think Epstein was just going for the draft picks...

 

To me, the draft picks were part of it, but he wanted a ring, and SS defense was all that team needed.

 

OCab was a big plus over Nomar on defense.

[notin]

To me, the draft picks were part of it, but he wanted a ring, and SS defense was all that team needed.

 

OCab was a big plus over Nomar on defense.

 

Yes Cabrera was acquired for defense and jettisoned for draft picks...

[moonslav59]

Yes Cabrera was acquired for defense and jettisoned for draft picks...

 

I think he knew all along he was going to jettison OCab, but to me, the number one reason for the deal was to greatly improve our chances of winning a ring.

 

Note:

We got Ellsbury and Lowrie as comp picks for losing OCab!

We got Melancon for Lowrie and Weiland.

We got Holt (and Hanrahan) for Melancon & others.

We got Kopech as a comp pick for losing Ellsbury to free agency.

We got Sale for Kopech, Moncada & others.

 

It was the gift that just kept giving.

 

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

"It was the gift that just kept giving."

 

Ok, I have to admit that was pretty cool connecting Cabrera to Kevin Bacon.

 

I still suspect something nefarious was involved, otherwise someone in the media would've broken it down... imagine if Alex Speier was around then?

[moonslav59]

"It was the gift that just kept giving."

 

Ok, I have to admit that was pretty cool connecting Cabrera to Kevin Bacon.

 

I still suspect something nefarious was involved, otherwise someone in the media would've broken it down... imagine if Alex Speier was around then?

 

I almost added something about Kevin Bacon!